Ms.harmony

I cant say that HiLIARy lived like the average person either, she lived the life of luxury

In 1999, they bought a five-bedroom home in Chappaqua, N.Y., for $1.7 million. In December 2000, just as they were leaving the White House, they bought a seven-bedroom house near Embassy Row in Washington, D.C. The price was $2.85 million.

courtesy of politifact.com

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/

she hasn't driven a car since 1991 she has been protected by secret service ever since, she probably doesnt know the price of bread or milk comes in a bottle

Now the funny thing is when you talk about experience, and I think referencing Doctors and Lawyers is not the best analogy Ms.Harmony.

One attends school for those careers, there is no school for being president of the United States.

Barrack Obama certainly didn't have the experience and it showed in the first two years of his presidency although he did catch on.

experience is overrated at times when it comes to politics.

Hilary Clinton was born in 1947. In 1999, she had lived already for 52 years.

Her life until then was not 'luxury'

Even by 1991, she would have been 44. She has known what it is to be in the some circle other than that of great wealth.

I will always go for experience in the field in any job. POTUS is figurehead of government, so the relevant experience is having held other government or civic(serving the people) jobs.

Obama had seven years as state senator and 3 years as US senate, not to mention an education on CONSTITUTIONAL LAW(which I think is a significant document to understand in the position)

He also had years of civic service (serving the community) in the areas of community job training, community tenants rights, and voters rights.


for me, experience is never OVERRATED, so long as its relevant to the job. For me the job of politics has a bottom and a top that one should build up to and not start out at. for me, the job of POTUS should have previous experience working with in and knowing the boundaries and structure of the Government policy making, as well as some history of civic or community service of others.

Ms.Harmony, I said life of luxury since 1991

2) Obama who was a professor of constitutional law which he seem to have abandoned once he occupied the oval office, because the Iran deal was actually unconstitutional, that deal was never approved by the senate, he made a deal with Bob Corker to reverse the approval course from 60 senators approving to 60 senators to kill it.

that isn't constitutional , Trump had every right to kill the deal right there.

those are facts Ms.harmony.

yes his senate state days in Illinois, ahhhhhh yes, his co sponsoring of bills that lead Police video taping homicide interrogations, healthcare which Illinois falls within the top 20 states in healthcare, yippee.

wonderful isn't it? yeaaaaaaaaaa, not.

The country isn't better off after 8 years of Obama, but that is another discussion for another day.


and the people didn't trust HiLIARy to continue on.

I believe your facts are incorrect and speculative regarding the Iran Contra deal. But that is the topic of another thread.

no politician fixes everything but that doesnt negate the experience that comes in their taking action to try to fix some things.


OBama sponsored and co sponsored hundreds of bills, nitpicking the popular or unpopular or the successful or unsuccessful also doesn't negate having experience.

If the country isn't better than a failing wall street, a sinking automotive industry, two wars, millions uninsured, and and a monthly hemorrhaging of 800,000 thousand jobs in a month to monthly gaining them, an unemployment rate that peaked at 10.3 in Bushes last FY to 4.7 when Obama left office, I guess nothing could count as 'better off' then.


More people by the numbers TRUSTED Hilary, the electoral system just supported Trump more.

ms.harmony,

I didnt mention the Iran Contra deal, I said the Iranian deal, you know lifting of the sanctions.

2) I was pointing out some of Obama's state achievements, nothing really to write home to mother about.

3) the healthcare insurance thing and the uninsured well that is just Democrat propaganda, they dont want to tell you the real story.

4) all these jobs created during Obama's reign, you mean the Walmart jobs and other retail jobs, Walmart is the biggest employer in the U.S.

and they earn?????

yes nothing is better than losing high paid manufacturing jobs to be replaced by a ton of retail jobs

Thank you president Obama

and thank you for the rise of Black lives matter, Antifa and the Trump Movement.

America is more divided today since the vietnam war of the 60's at least that is what my Grandfolks are telling me.

none of this having anything to do with the presidential vote o 2016, and little of it is backed up with fact or data.

America has always been divided, they just finally with the first black president found it more difficult to hide it, and with the first openly bigoted president found it virtuous to share. ...

Its also a matter of perception whether someone who has done nothing that can be critiqued is automatically better than someone who has done things worthy of critiquing, just because some critiques are negative.

ms.harmony

you are not presenting any facts, you are presenting left wing propaganda,Trump isn't bigoted, when Trump attended the african american museum thing to present Lonnie Bunch an award only to be joined by Dr.Ben Carson and his wife.. both black, Senator Tim Scott..black, Lonnie Bunch III, black, Alveda king, niece of MLK jr who has repeated said TRUMP isnt racist.. and Ms.King is a democrat .

Is Alveda King a liar?

now this crap about Obama being black,so what? some bigots hated him sure, but most Americans didn't , until his true nature came out, which is why the right despises Obama.

How can you say we right hate Obama because he black when we were rooting for Carson, or Herman Cain in 2012, we loved Condoleezza Rice , so explain that?

Im also a fan of Governor Jindal too.

are you going to say I despise HiLIARy because she is a woman too?

underboss,

I am actually avoiding propoganda, just sharing opinion for opinion.

I dont believe people are lying merely for seeing things differently or having a different opinion. I dont believe bigots cannot make exceptions for the right motivations.

I do not believe I have even referred to the 'right' or 'left' except maybe in quoting others. I deal mostly with people and not political labels.

Some people can curb their bigotry for certain 'exceptions' but quickly resort back if those exceptions dont live up to their exceptional requirements.


I really do not know who you hate or despise, and never claimed to.

on point: mistresses dont matter when it comes to how well someone does a job or how qualified they are for it.

ms.harmony

you made the claim that Trump is a bigot ( america's first openly bigoted president), I countered that with what Alveda King and many others including Jesse Jackson at one time said.

By the way Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson has Trump beat, both democrats too.

FDR hated the japanese

James Monroe.. remember Liberia and its capital city “Monrovia.” and whom ended up in Liberia?

Andrew Johnson vetoed civil rights and Freedmen bills and opposed the 14th and 15 amendments

all democrats and finally what did LBJ say about black people even though he signed the civil rights act , he will get those ( what) voting for the next 200 years.

these are facts not opinions .

why does everyone call Obama "black"? I can call him white just as easily.

He's not black he's biracial.

you are correct, Those are facts. I will correct myself to say that he is the first openly bigoted president POST civil rights, POST 70s.

mexicans - only 'some' who come are 'good' people.
africans -their countries are shithole
haitians- have aids
congresswoman with native ancestry - pocohontas
puerto ricans-want everything done for him

his inexperience, and sometimes disregard of anyone other than the wealthy and white is an opinion I form from his own words over three years of observing him, often 'at his best behavior' in front of cameras and crowds.

In the US, you are the race you most closely identify with which match with how you are identified by others. So think of it this way, if you robbed a store, how would the owner describe you?

most often people see certain asthetics and associate them as the person being one race, and other asthetics they associate with a person being another race, skin tone being one of those things.

And that observation from others often dictates the way society interacts with you and how you are treated. I think its hard to imagine Obama was ever seen as or treated as if he were white. Im pretty sure its much easier to believe he was seen and treated as if he were black. Genetically, he is both. As far as social/cultural experience and treatment, he is black.

and as it refers to presidents, it would not be true that he is the first white. so that is why people describe him as the first black, since he is both, it is still a true statement.

birth certificates usually use the mother's race.

In america, they include the race of the mother AND father.

lets go over your comments well Trump's comments.

mexicans - only 'some' who come are 'good' people.

that isn't a racist comments when it has some truth to it, some are good that come over and some are bad, many mexican americans have said the same thing, so when the mexican americans say it its not racist, but when Trump says it is?
Come on Ms.Harmony you are better than this.

africans -their countries are shithole

allegedly.

Certain african countries are **** holes, its a harsh way of saying it but its true, certain Asian countries are **** holes too, certain former soviet republicans are **** holes,certain south American countries are **** holes

I think Mississippi is a **** hole too , I think south Bronx is a **** hole, it is what is, the problem with Trump is he isnt a schooled politician well he is but he trying to come across as an average citizen which isn't presidential in my opinion.

haitians- have aids
he allegedly said that, it wasn't proven.

The pocahontas comment was directed at liar Elizabeth Warren who said she was native indian or has native indian ancestry to get tenure at Harvard, the blued eyed pocahontas, that is where the comment came from and directed at.

that lying money grabbing senator Warren.

puerto ricans-want everything done for him

talking about taking things out of context , here the correct quote Ms.harmony.

want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that is the correct quote

You're welcome.

yes but in america, if you have any african american blood, you will be known as african american.

Techncially Obama is mixed race , but since marrying Michelle, he identify more with african american,and if you read his book he certainly didn't fit in with the african american culture when he was young and calling himself "barry"

no thanks on all the excuses. I understood the context based on the overall PATTERN of the types of statements he makes.

I guess facts dont matter ms.harmony.

okay....

continue believing what you want to believe while many of us seek the truth.

by the way you people say nothing about the late robert byrd

a Klan leader, not a klan member , a klan leader

I did read his book. He associated with his family that raised him, but out in the world he was treated more like a black man, being that his dad had abandoned them, he struggled with finding an identity for himself.


And yes, part of his embracing blackness was also Michelle. And its more about asthetics, because there are many 'white' people who are assumed white EVEN THOUGH they have african american blood, due to how they look outwardly.

But I'm still not sure if we have agreed about Stormy ...lol