Topic: another school shooting
Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 02/15/18 11:38 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 02/15/18 11:43 AM
Watching it live now!!! So sad.

19 year old male disturbed shooter.

Mental health issues need to be identified early on and mandatory treatment given.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:07 PM

I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself


I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:09 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Thu 02/15/18 12:10 PM


I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally

no photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:09 PM

Watching it live now!!! So sad.

19 year old male disturbed shooter.

Mental health issues need to be identified early on and mandatory treatment given.


I agree - I don't profess to know the answer toithe problem, but one of the causes seems to be the failure of the mental health system in our country - that & easy access to guns. My thoughts & prayers go out to all who were affected

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:13 PM



I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.


yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:15 PM




I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:34 PM





I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:35 PM






I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


Unless the issues were reported, how would anyone know? They can't refuse someone based on nothing

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:35 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 02/15/18 12:38 PM
If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

keep a mental health database for gun retailers to hold them accountable for who they are selling to

keep a 'credit' database like they do with credit scores, use ssn to track and document previous weapons purchases

hold them to a standard of due diligence


Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 12:35 PM
If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:00 PM

If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:04 PM


If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...


actually, when it comes to these school shootings, the 'cartel' means nothing.

if there is a legal sale, its on the retailer, not the 'cartel'

rules and regulations will still matter, to the retailer, and their profit margins.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:07 PM
If the mental illness, etc isn't reported, gun sellers and the government wouldn't know there is a risk. They can't assume or predict

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:09 PM

If the mental illness, etc isn't reported, gun sellers and the government wouldn't know there is a risk. They can't assume or predict


that is true, even though in this case it WAS reported
and why it would be important for mental health officials to keep databases which gun retailers had access to (like credit reports for retailers and service providers) and gun retailers to have a database for gun sales per ssn.


due diligence would prevent many of these arms from falling into the hands of mentally and emotionally unstable people.

Godsfriend10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:11 PM
The society needs to the stress the sanctity of human lifes-born or unborn.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:14 PM

The society needs to the stress the sanctity of human lifes-born or unborn.



it certainly could not hurt for us to return to promoting the respect for human life (regardless of documentation, age, financial status, or political affiliation)

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:15 PM
Maybe I missed where it said the fbi had proof or a mental health report. What I have read was a youtube posting that was reported but the fbi couldn't id the person.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:18 PM
http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/340606002

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:19 PM



If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...


actually, when it comes to these school shootings, the 'cartel' means nothing.

if there is a legal sale, its on the retailer, not the 'cartel'

rules and regulations will still matter, to the retailer, and their profit margins.
all we know is what the unreliable news tells us to think... Nobody here, or anyone outside the investigation, knows where he got that gun...and the government would never allow for anyone to say that someone was killed with one of those guns... And as far as your hypocrisy is concerned, you talk about how sad this is and what we could do to stop this kind of happenings, but yet you could care less that your government sold guns to criminals... How many people died from those thousands of guns? More than 14, and lots were young adults and children... How can you be sad about one and not the other?

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:21 PM

Maybe I missed where it said the fbi had proof or a mental health report. What I have read was a youtube posting that was reported but the fbi couldn't id the person.


they must be kind of slow then, since they had a screenshot of his comments with his NAME on it

Ben Bennight, a bail bondsman in Mississippi who posts video blogs on YouTube, knew something was amiss when someone named Nikolas Cruz posted "I'm going to be a professional school shooter" in the comments section of one of his videos in September, BuzzFeed News reported Thursday.

So he urged YouTube to remove the comment and emailed a screenshot of it to the FBI, the report says.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-knew-about-nikolas-cruz-youtube-user-before-florida-shooting-2018-2


this was a disturbed teen, not a master mind.