Topic: Wiccan pentacle may join manger outside Olean building
LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 11/29/07 11:40 AM
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Should religious displays be placed on city owned property by private citizens? Give reasons why you feel the way you do.

csi1994's photo
Thu 11/29/07 11:53 AM
private citizens should be able to put displays on their property, but not the government's.

cattibrie27's photo
Thu 11/29/07 11:57 AM
To be honest no but at the same time if a person puts it on thier own property than that is fine. Not everyone will agree with your choice in what religion you believe in and I firmly believe that if someone is gonna choose to believe in something then they will make that choice on thier own and putting a religious display on goverment or city owned property is not fair to people who do not believe in that religion. It is like says that you have to believe in this one religion. What if I went out and plastered my religion all over city owned property I would probably be arrested. I am wiccan and I am proud of who I am and what I beleive in and will I change NO! Will I try and force what I believe in on someone like christians do NO! Because I believe that it is up to that person in what they believe. We have had religion beat in to our head ever since we could walk talk and understand what people were telling us. I will never try and force my children to believe in what I do because it is thier choice not mine.

csi1994's photo
Thu 11/29/07 12:00 PM
i think we have gone too far from seperation of church & state. we don't need to get away from it even more.

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 11/29/07 01:13 PM
We are not talking about private owned property. I think we all agree that it's ok to display religious displays on private owned property. What we are discussing here is government owned property, whether it's city, state or federally owned property. Most times when this subject comes up we hear of Nativity scenes being put up on government property. A Nativity scene is a Christian thing. We hardly ever hear of any other religion placing a religious display on government property. This is the first time I've heard of a Pentagram being displayed along side a Nativity scene on government property. This is my point. If religious displays are going to be allowed on government property then that means all religions should be able to be displayed, not just Christian. I'm sure many Americans, especially in the Bible Belt, don't really think twice when they see a Nativity scene this time of year, whether it's on private property or governemt owned property. However, if those same people were to start seeing other religious symbols represented along side those Nativity scenes, such as the Pentegram, I personally think that it would cause a big ole stink and some might even protest against it, especially if it's on government owned property.

csi1994's photo
Thu 11/29/07 01:14 PM
i was raised catholic, and i still don't think religious symbols of any type should be on government property.

IntelligentLady's photo
Thu 11/29/07 04:52 PM
Sometimes the government itself doesn't even realize it....drive through the Hi-5 in Dallas (highway 75 intersecting with 635) -- the sign of what the "Texas Star" is just a pentacle -- even if the star is filled solid.

wouldee's photo
Thu 11/29/07 06:46 PM
surely.....heap them all together.


Why not?


It's like weeds in the lawn.

sooner or later, the weeds dominate and overcome the green grass.

Aslong as the gardener waters it and tends it, it appears to be grass.


But when the gardener decides to refrain from watering it,

then the weed withers and dies.


Ask the gardener what he thinks while you are at it.


You asked and I'm telling. JMHO.:wink:

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 11/29/07 07:37 PM
Edited by LadyValkyrie37 on Thu 11/29/07 07:39 PM

surely.....heap them all together.


Why not?


It's like weeds in the lawn.

sooner or later, the weeds dominate and overcome the green grass.

Aslong as the gardener waters it and tends it, it appears to be grass.


But when the gardener decides to refrain from watering it,

then the weed withers and dies.


Ask the gardener what he thinks while you are at it.


You asked and I'm telling. JMHO.:wink:


You know what, wouldee. People who wish to have perfectly manicured lawns fail to realize the many great uses for those weeds that they so dislike. Take dandelions for instance. There are many great uses for this weed. The leaves of the dandelion are great in salads and soups and are full of vitamin A, C and Iron. In fact they have more vitamin A than carrots do. They also have more iron and Calcium than spinach does. One can make wine out of the Dandelion flowers. Then there is another common weed called Chicory. Chicory also has many great uses. The list goes on and on with the weeds that can be beneficial to humans. Just because someone calls it a "weed' and believes it to be "useless" and "unappealing" doesn't make it so. Most assuredly it will be appealing to someone and of use to someone. Oh by the way. I am a gardener. I understand the nature of all plants.

lizardking19's photo
Thu 11/29/07 07:42 PM
sadly the usa is a mostly christian country, most christians r nice people but its the few ignorant creeps who kick up a fuss over people having religious symbols they dont like displayed (its a pentacle not a pentagram) or the 2 people who call and complain that janet jackson just showed her (bareley:cry: ) exposed boob on tv, that ruin it 4 all of us

Tasslehofff's photo
Sun 12/02/07 07:46 PM
Well if you put one up you have to put them all.

eternalsun's photo
Sun 12/02/07 07:50 PM
No. Simple answer, seperation of church and state. Though that seperation will never, ever happen.

Redykeulous's photo
Sun 12/02/07 10:33 PM
I don't agree that with any religious symbolism being displayed by, in , or on any governing establishment.

There is no lack, on my part, to support the freedom of religious exercise, however, religion is a personal call and has no place in publicly held domain.

There have been far too many battle already fought in the name of righteousness. And our culture is far too diverse to be appropriately impartial to all. Therefore, it is for the common good, in order to maintain peace that we must allow the governing agents of this republic to remain nuetral.

It is only through nuetrality that our government can extend, with equality to all, the right to free religious exercise.


lizardking19's photo
Thu 12/06/07 11:32 AM
yes but the pentacle does not represent magick or wicca, it is a symbol associated with them

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:11 PM

yes but the pentacle does not represent magick or wicca, it is a symbol associated with them


The pentagram/pentacle has been associated with many cultures around the world throughout history including Christianity. It's one of those symbols universal symbols that has meant many things to many peoples.

lizardking19's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:42 PM
exactly, the same kinda thing as with the cross