Topic: the left still doesn't understand free speech
Tom4Uhere's photo
Tue 09/05/17 01:01 PM
When I was in school, teachers had control of their classes. The clothes the we wore and anything printed on them were not considered a distraction. Obscenities and nudity were not tolerated tho.

Teachers did offer their opinions on some things but stayed pretty close to their program. Opinions were expressed only during the off subject open chats we had.
Those opinions were always offered up as a "consider this" kind of comment. Even the "save the whales" passions were left open for consideration.
My school was laid back. It was comprised of rural communities and farmers. It was nothing like the inner city school's turmoil. A fight was few and far between and huge news. Aggressive kids were shunned. There were social groups and all the drama included but there were no gangs controlling the place.

I am sure my experiences then have a direct influence on my opinions and attitude now. Perhaps that is why I see optimistic solutions and don't concentrate heavily on the negative things most others can't help but see? I'm the oddball in an insane world.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 01:30 PM







free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?
perhaps you would like to explain to everyone what free speech is and what it is not .. From your perspective of course :wink:
it's not my job to teach anyone anyrhing.. if people aren't smart enough to understand what's right in front of them, then they obviously they don't have the mental capacity to ever get it.... right blondy?
oh this is not about teaching moe .. you start a thread claiming the left do not understand free speech .. yet you yourself are unable or unwilling to discuss what free speech is .. from your enlightened perspective .. hilarious .. carry on tongue2 waving
it's not really what the topic is about, now is it? It's about a trump hating liberal teacher that can't see beyond the meaning of her opinions, and forces it on her students... does the student have a right to wear a pro trump t shirt? Yes, the school board has already said she was wrong... so what are trying to get me to say??? If you can't see how wrong she is, then no explation in the world will do it for you, you just won't get it... and I don't need to waste my time on someone who just wants to argue rather than have a discussion...
there you go again .. assuming .. I have not stated what my opinion is concerning the teacher ., the student or their behaviour .. I simply asked you a question .. regarding your topic header . If you don't want to answer my question .. just say so .. no need to be so defensive :-)
not defensive, assuming or not, there's no need for argumentitive,off topic questions...

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/05/17 06:42 PM
many people don't understand freedom of speech, thats why they try to apply it to non congressional situations

freedom of speech prevents LAWS from being passed, it does not prevent schools, employers, or other organizations from having guidelines and regulations

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 09/05/17 07:08 PM

free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.


This.

Also, the number of people in America who clearly don't understand free speech are legion.

I've been hearing people complain about "free speech" from every side, since I was a kid. I've read claims like this, that "the left" or "the right" or you-name-your-favorite-whipping-boy-group "doesn't understand or support free speech" over, and over, and over, and over again.

Children don't HAVE adult rights. Employees don't have the same rights while they are at work, as they do at home, and those rights are different again when they are out in public areas.

You know what? No one posting HERE has the right to say whatever they want. People on the right, tend to complain about profanity and nudity as forms of expression. People on the left are more likely to complain about threats of violence. Everyone gets mad when some universal enemy is allowed to speak freely, and all kinds of people are pleased as punch when the rights of someone who they DON'T like are abridged.

So enough about pretending that only ONE group is biased about this.

dust4fun's photo
Tue 09/05/17 07:24 PM
Well if some people get their way they will stop teaching kids history, or it will be so opinionated that it won't matter. Any president that may have owned a slave will be left out even tho it was legal and acceptable at the time. Christoper Columbus for get about that. The Indians were fighting other tribes for thousands of years before white people showed up, and the Indians were fighting them as much as they were fighting them. Tom Saywer Huck Fin, forget about that even tho they've been teaching it for years. And they might as well not teach English class. And we know science can be dangerous and go against religion so can't teach that. Instead of learning and showing how things can be some people would rather live in their own little world, pushing only their ideas and not at least letting others have their views.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 08:32 PM

Well if some people get their way they will stop teaching kids history, or it will be so opinionated that it won't matter. Any president that may have owned a slave will be left out even tho it was legal and acceptable at the time. Christoper Columbus for get about that. The Indians were fighting other tribes for thousands of years before white people showed up, and the Indians were fighting them as much as they were fighting them. Tom Saywer Huck Fin, forget about that even tho they've been teaching it for years. And they might as well not teach English class. And we know science can be dangerous and go against religion so can't teach that. Instead of learning and showing how things can be some people would rather live in their own little world, pushing only their ideas and not at least letting others have their views.
well said... to bad the left has an 8 year advantage on warping children's minds

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 09/06/17 12:24 AM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Wed 09/06/17 12:25 AM
Everyone gets mad when some universal enemy is allowed to speak freely

Incorrect assessment for me.
I'm not mad at all...

Its all entertaining and reveals a lot about people.

I'm not left
I'm not right
I'm me.

I don't vote republican or democratic
I vote my choice based on the candidate's ability.

While I don't practice any religion
I have no issue with anyone that does.

I have nothing against anyone and consider everyone can have an opinion.
Opinions are just that...opinions.

There will always be something to complain about.
I try to offer a solution rather than complain.
Dad used to tell me if I am going to complain, offer a solution.

The nation is a big place with a huge diversity of religions and cultures.
There will always be people complaining about something, never offering a solution, never giving others merit for their opinions but expecting everyone to agree with theirs.
It is a personality trait learned when young.

If parents properly teach their children most of the turmoil will diminish. Its like TV being a babysitter. The media and trends teach our children. They grow up accepting or rejecting what they learn from the TV, phone or computer and fail to consider the world right in front of them as reality. When the delusions fail it increases stress levels.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 09/15/17 01:09 PM


Well if some people get their way they will stop teaching kids history, or it will be so opinionated that it won't matter. Any president that may have owned a slave will be left out even tho it was legal and acceptable at the time. Christoper Columbus for get about that. The Indians were fighting other tribes for thousands of years before white people showed up, and the Indians were fighting them as much as they were fighting them. Tom Saywer Huck Fin, forget about that even tho they've been teaching it for years. And they might as well not teach English class. And we know science can be dangerous and go against religion so can't teach that. Instead of learning and showing how things can be some people would rather live in their own little world, pushing only their ideas and not at least letting others have their views.
well said... to bad the left has an 8 year advantage on warping children's minds


Just Fyi, in case you didn't realize it: public schools are entirely locally controlled. The agenda and the textbooks are all selected by your local (mostly Republican) state legislatures. The President has no direct say in any of it. So if you were afraid that what you are seeing around you these days is the result of Obama's years in office, be assured, it's the opposite, if anything. Blame your local Governors and other nearby leadership.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 09/15/17 01:27 PM



Well if some people get their way they will stop teaching kids history, or it will be so opinionated that it won't matter. Any president that may have owned a slave will be left out even tho it was legal and acceptable at the time. Christoper Columbus for get about that. The Indians were fighting other tribes for thousands of years before white people showed up, and the Indians were fighting them as much as they were fighting them. Tom Saywer Huck Fin, forget about that even tho they've been teaching it for years. And they might as well not teach English class. And we know science can be dangerous and go against religion so can't teach that. Instead of learning and showing how things can be some people would rather live in their own little world, pushing only their ideas and not at least letting others have their views.
well said... to bad the left has an 8 year advantage on warping children's minds


Just Fyi, in case you didn't realize it: public schools are entirely locally controlled. The agenda and the textbooks are all selected by your local (mostly Republican) state legislatures. The President has no direct say in any of it. So if you were afraid that what you are seeing around you these days is the result of Obama's years in office, be assured, it's the opposite, if anything. Blame your local Governors and other nearby leadership.


wrong again... the government sets the standards the states impliment...

msharmony's photo
Fri 09/15/17 04:30 PM
For anyone wanting a bit of information:

https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

..which comes FROM the US Dept of Ed.

Workin4it's photo
Fri 09/15/17 08:07 PM


free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?
although I don't think freedom to express oneself should be blocked, but thanks to the media it is far different than 4 or 8 yrs. ago. When Obama was elected they only showed the pro Obama rally's , and how great he was...you never saw the negative coverage. So they built Obama to be a hero.Now it's a every day 24/7 bashing of trump on all there leftist news channel. Building trump to be an evil racist I would be Leary of letting my child wear a trump shirt to school. In fear for his safety . Crazy violent people on the left

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 09/16/17 12:33 AM
.....and they most likely never will!
Not in their Vocabulary!

mightymoe's photo
Sat 09/16/17 08:10 AM

For anyone wanting a bit of information:

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

..which comes FROM the US Dept of Ed.


have to take the "s" off the HTTPS...

mightymoe's photo
Sat 09/16/17 08:14 AM

For anyone wanting a bit of information:

https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

..which comes FROM the US Dept of Ed.


same as any other dept.... if the schools don't conform to governmental standards and guidelines, the government cuts the grants/funding...

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/16/17 09:06 AM
yes and no,, schools get funding on several different fronts, they can deny some funds and not others, based upon what they CHOOSE to include in their curriculum


mightymoe's photo
Sat 09/16/17 09:11 AM

yes and no,, schools get funding on several different fronts, they can deny some funds and not others, based upon what they CHOOSE to include in their curriculum




that seems pretty simple, huh...

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/16/17 10:31 AM


yes and no,, schools get funding on several different fronts, they can deny some funds and not others, based upon what they CHOOSE to include in their curriculum




that seems pretty simple, huh...


extremely, especially when we're talking about funds that will only make up 10 percent and the other 90 comes from state and local.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 09/16/17 10:44 AM



yes and no,, schools get funding on several different fronts, they can deny some funds and not others, based upon what they CHOOSE to include in their curriculum




that seems pretty simple, huh...


extremely, especially when we're talking about funds that will only make up 10 percent and the other 90 comes from state and local.
I don't think it really matters as much to what the actual government mandates... each party "recommends " for the school boards... each party sends memos to the cities repubs and dems to push there own agendas... it's been gay and tranny agenda and to be quite about muslims...for the last 8 years

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/16/17 10:47 AM
being 'quiet' about muslims has been since I was in school because there's nothing to say ...

as to the LGBTQ agenda, I agree the local and state level have followed a pattern of immersing our kids in it,,,

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/16/17 11:29 AM
I remember when I was in high school..when Regan was shot my history teacher brought cake and ice cream and claimed it was a day to celebrate..too bad he lived she said..I shook my head in disgust..she asked why and I said it's not right to celebrate the President being shot at..then she said that the reason I can't get a decent grade in her class was instead of thinking with the right side of my brain I spend too much time not paying attention to what matters.. I told her she spends too much time speaking with the left side of her brain instead of teaching history..then I walked out..failed history..teachers personal political opinions don't belong in the classroom..ohwell flowerforyou