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thats a deal kalamazoo......and it's nice to see you in the religion threads......I have been on many sites and it's usually just me....so nice to have others around who believe in God, The Savior Jesus Christ...and most important his word The Bible.
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I let them rant.....
....they vent because they want in on their own terms and they know they are excluded for it. What else needs to be said. The wicked declare themselves. The mark is the mark. Daylight dispells the darkness and divides the day for those of the light. As dark as it gets, we are not blind, but as light as it is, they still will not see. Somebody hand out the hankies. I ran out.   
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Feral wrote: I will be doing a series on this also....People kept saying they wanted proof of the Bible....so proof you shall have. Archeological evidence of ancient religious doctrines proves nothing other than the people who wrote the stories actually lived. All mythologies have their Archeological "evedence". It's not evidence for anything other than ancient men were inspired to fabricate stories based on what was actually going on around them. It's silly to call such things "proof". Who ever questioned that ancient people wrote these things? I don't think anyone questions that. To question that would imply that modern man just wrote the stories as a hoax. The mere fact that people see this as 'proof' of anything only goes to show just how naive they truly are. |
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Awe Abra, why'd you have to go and respond to this thread. I thought it looked pretty good just the way it was.
I did a good job back then, yup, my work on this thread is done.! |
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8 months between the death of this thread and its resurrection.
Getting desperate are you feral? 
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8 months between the death of this thread and its resurrection. Getting desperate are you feral? No just proving a point that you all never prove anything....and time and time again I do.....nuff said. 
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Archaeology, or archæology (from Αρχαίος, nobody cares, and Λογος, the study of) is the study of really old stuff. Many people confuse archaeology with "archeology" due to the similar spelling and the fact that they mean the same thing.
While seemingly pointless, archaeologists assert that we can learn lots of new stuff by looking at old stuff; this my friends, is a paradox. Most archaeologists are full of crap with their "carbon dating" witchcraft. I mean, how do carbon atoms date, or even have sex? Do they get freaky with their electrons? What about the protons and neutrons and plasma? Why did I fail my Chemistry exam, and does this have something to do with the fact I don't know what I'm talking about? |
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Awe Abra, why'd you have to go and respond to this thread. I thought it looked pretty good just the way it was. I did a good job back then, yup, my work on this thread is done.! Feral's the one who kicked it up. I was just making sure the mummies were dead. 
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8 months between the death of this thread and its resurrection. Getting desperate are you feral? No just proving a point that you all never prove anything....and time and time again I do.....nuff said. You havent proved anything ... NO first century historian confirms the existence of Jesus. There were historians (Philo-Judaeus and Justus of Tiberius, for example) living in or near Jerusalem during Christ's alleged lifetime, but wrote not one word about him. Then there is Flavius Josephus, who was born in 37 CE, and has two mentions of Jesus. But most scholars, including many Christian ones, agree that Josephus's accounts are third century forgeries-- earlier versions of his work dating from before the second century do not mention Jesus at all. The flowery and worshipful paragraph on Jesus was probably added to Josephus's work at the beginning of the 3th century CE, during Constantine's reign, by Bishop Eusebius (who said that it was permissible for Christians to lie in order to further the kingdom of god). The following passage is from The Jesus Problem, pages 121-122, by historian J. M. Robertson, published in 1917: If the defenders of the historicity of the gospel Jesus would really stand by Josephus as a historian of Jewry in the first Christian century, they would have to admit that he is the most destructive of all the witnesses against them. It is not merely that the famous interpolated passage is flagrantly spurious in every aspect in its impossible context; its impossible language of semi-worship; its "He was (the) Christ"; its assertion of the resurrection; and its allusion to "ten thousand other wonderful things" of which the historian gives no other hint, but that the flagrant interpolation brings into deadly relief the absence of all mention of the crucified Jesus and his sect where mention must have been made by the historian if they had existed. If, to say nothing of "ten thousand wonderful things," there was any movement of a Jesus of Nazareth with twelve disciples in the period of Pilate, how came the historian to ignore it utterly? If, to say nothing of the resurrection story, Jesus had been crucified by Pilate, how came it that there is no hint of such an episode in connection with Josephus' account of the Samaritan tumult in the next chapter? And if a belief in Jesus as a slain and returning Messiah had been long on foot before the fall of the Temple, how comes it that Josephus says nothing of it in connection with his full account of the expectation of a coming Messiah at that point. By every test of loyal historiography, we are not merely forced to reject the spurious passage as the most obvious interpolation in all literature: we are bound to confess that the "Silence of Josephus," as is insisted by Professor Smith, is an insurmountable negation of the gospel story. For that silence, no tenable reason can be given, on the assumption of the general historicity of the gospels and Acts." The existence of an actual Jesus is very much in doubt. The famous humanitarian Albert Schweitzer studied the problem of Jesus and concluded that he did not exist. Most of the Founding Fathers of America, including Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Madison and George Washington, denied the divinity of Jesus. The New Testament gospels were written 80-100 CE, and the names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were attached later by the early church. Matthew and Luke were constructed from Mark, and John is thought to be written even later by early church leaders. There is no evidence that these people lived at all. The messiah construct was very common 2000+ years ago. Consider Mithra, a messianic figure who pre-dated Christ by several hundred years, and who also was born of a virgin, had a last supper and was crucified. And he had 12 apostles. Other messiah figures also had 12 followers - representing the 12 mystical signs of the zodiac. |
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Ok, some of the Bible tells stories of events in the past. Yes, many will be true. That, however, doesn't necessarily make everything true.
I mean the bible said the Jews were slaves in Egypt and we have evidence to prove that was true. The bible also says the world was created in 7 days. The Jews being slaves in Egypt doesn't prove that the world was created in 7 days. |
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Awe Abra, why'd you have to go and respond to this thread. I thought it looked pretty good just the way it was. I did a good job back then, yup, my work on this thread is done.! Feral's the one who kicked it up. I was just making sure the mummies were dead. yea did you prove anything the first....hmmmm, nope |
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Awe Abra, why'd you have to go and respond to this thread. I thought it looked pretty good just the way it was. I did a good job back then, yup, my work on this thread is done.! Feral's the one who kicked it up. I was just making sure the mummies were dead. yea did you prove anything the first....hmmmm, nope But then neither did you - par for the course. |
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OK – STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING:
redy:
I fail to understand what you are offering, Farel. I don't believe anyone here has suggested that there is no valid historocity contained in Biblical scriptures. In fact, I would consider one hard-pressed to find any half-way educated person, who would dispute that such historocity exists. This in no way supports the differing and dogmatic belief systems that stem from Biblical teachings. What is your point? Feral: The point is that if you call the Bible a myth you are disputing it....... The Bible is not an imaginary or fictitious thing. And you redy are also one of the ones that claim this. redy The myth is in the stories that lead one to believe as they do. The informaton you have provided gives no valid reason for you to believe what you believe. History is gleened from many different sources. It is meant to give us some connection with the past. The connection you seek to make with this history will never support or give validation to what you believe and how you act on those beliefs. That is the nature of a belief system. That is the nature of those who belief that myths can guide their lives. Redy again What The Bible Says (Compare) II Ki 3:4-5 "Now Mesha king of Moab was a sheepbreeder, and he regularly paid the king of Israel one hundred thousand lambs and the wool of one hundred thousand rams. But it happened, when Ahab died, that the king of Moab rebelled against the king of Israel." (NKJ). Read this carefully, it is not a prediction, it was written after the events. Show me the prophacy and the original scripture that can prove to pre-date the events you think support your reference. Feral I see what your saying redy.......But what makes me want to prove Biblical scripture is just like another poster said. That the Bible is folklore with a lil bit of truth......That to me is bogus. AHA! There it is, the information we all seek. These few words “That to me is bogus.” TO YOU IT IS BOGUS. To you Feral, not to everyone. We all have different beliefs. YOU are the one who has decided that YOU are correct and everyone else is wrong. YOU are the one who has to win, because only you have something to loose. Davidben has a lovely thread going on, in which he explains that each of us is responsible for HOW we accept what other say. Accept it as ‘evil’ (his word) and it will go into you as evil. How much of this evil can you put in Deb, before it has to come out. You win, I can not fight the mindset of one with so much to lose…… |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Mon 08/18/08 08:04 AM
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See this brings my point home so well.......It is truth to me....and if you and all your cronies would leave it at that....you could talk about "your" beliefs until your called to wherever it is your going. But see this is my beef.....you all don't leave me to my beliefs....you just disputee and call them fables....I don't have one single problem with you putting out what you believe any of you....JUST LEAVE WHAT I BELIEVE OUT OF IT.....pretty simple....you would think, but I have yet to see it.
OK – STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING: redy: I fail to understand what you are offering, Farel. I don't believe anyone here has suggested that there is no valid historocity contained in Biblical scriptures. In fact, I would consider one hard-pressed to find any half-way educated person, who would dispute that such historocity exists. This in no way supports the differing and dogmatic belief systems that stem from Biblical teachings. What is your point? Feral: The point is that if you call the Bible a myth you are disputing it....... The Bible is not an imaginary or fictitious thing. And you redy are also one of the ones that claim this. redy The myth is in the stories that lead one to believe as they do. The informaton you have provided gives no valid reason for you to believe what you believe. History is gleened from many different sources. It is meant to give us some connection with the past. The connection you seek to make with this history will never support or give validation to what you believe and how you act on those beliefs. That is the nature of a belief system. That is the nature of those who belief that myths can guide their lives. Redy again What The Bible Says (Compare) II Ki 3:4-5 "Now Mesha king of Moab was a sheepbreeder, and he regularly paid the king of Israel one hundred thousand lambs and the wool of one hundred thousand rams. But it happened, when Ahab died, that the king of Moab rebelled against the king of Israel." (NKJ). Read this carefully, it is not a prediction, it was written after the events. Show me the prophacy and the original scripture that can prove to pre-date the events you think support your reference. Feral I see what your saying redy.......But what makes me want to prove Biblical scripture is just like another poster said. That the Bible is folklore with a lil bit of truth......That to me is bogus. AHA! There it is, the information we all seek. These few words “That to me is bogus.” TO YOU IT IS BOGUS. To you Feral, not to everyone. We all have different beliefs. YOU are the one who has decided that YOU are correct and everyone else is wrong. YOU are the one who has to win, because only you have something to loose. Davidben has a lovely thread going on, in which he explains that each of us is responsible for HOW we accept what other say. Accept it as ‘evil’ (his word) and it will go into you as evil. How much of this evil can you put in Deb, before it has to come out. You win, I can not fight the mindset of one with so much to lose…… |
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Edited by
Belushi
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Mon 08/18/08 09:07 AM
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See this brings my point home so well.......It is truth to me....and if you and all your cronies would leave it at that....you could talk about "your" beliefs until your called to wherever it is your going. But see this is my beef.....you all don't leave me to my beliefs....you just disputee and call them fables....I don't have one single problem with you putting out what you believe any of you....JUST LEAVE WHAT I BELIEVE OUT OF IT.....pretty simple....you would think, but I have yet to see it. Then why start a thread like this. You believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden and so do all your believer entourage - finito! This thread was your way of starting an argument so that you can stamp your little foot and shout "leave me alone!!!" Also dont start quoting scriptures when the rest of us debate religious topics unless you want someone to ridicule your bed-time horror tales. You brought this on yourself - so live with it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 08/19/08 01:46 PM
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Feralcatlady writes:
.......But what makes me want to prove Biblical scripture is just like another poster said. That the Bible is folklore with a lil bit of truth......That to me is bogus. Now I understand what your saying about prophecy and in this particular thread I can not prove as prophecy because it's history....But there is accounts of Jesus coming long before he came....and other prophecy that I will recite on a need basis. But I also understand where you coming from with wanting proof....but also that proof can be other then prophecy such as historical, etc. Lets discuss any accounts of Jesus's coming written about long before he came..an alleged "prophecy" that people claim was fullfilled. Okay so lets assume that this scripture was written before Jesus came Is this correct? If it was not actually written before Jesus came it could not be called "prophecy" correct? I am not familiar with the time lines of when scripture was supposed to have been written, but I am going to assume that the account of the coming of a savior was written before Jesus came. Now suppose the Church wanted to invent that prophesied savior that had been written about in previous scripture. They have all the information they need do they not? So all they have to do is write a later account of that having happened according to the prophecy. So they took a historical time period, and actual people they knew of, and they wove a tale within those historical events after the fact. In order to attract followers of Mithra and other pagan gods they plagiarized that myth and built it around a real person who lived during that time that may or may not have been easy to trace. Therefore I assert that the entire new testament is a false account of a fictional character invented by Roman aristocrats. It is not a prophecy fulfilled. It is a forgery. The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.” Just because you can find some proof through history or archeology that is in the Bible, this does not give credibility to the entire fictional stories that were woven in and around factual events and places. Much of the fiction written today are woven around facts, real places, real people, real events. Yet the story is just a fictional story. Therefore, I am sorry to tell you, that your proof is not proof at all. JB |
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Lots of writers place their characters in a historically accurate setting, even though those specific characters never existed and the story is a complete fabrication. It's called "historical fiction." Spot on dude! I have a very good friend who writes historical fiction. I built a website for her. Want to check it out? It is here: http://www.al-debran.com/ She is very good and historically accurate. She loves history and she writes fictional romance novels. JB |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 08/19/08 02:26 PM
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Opening Thread by Feralcat: Archaeological Discoveries That Prove The Bible Writings "I will be doing a series on this also....People kept saying they wanted proof of the Bible....so proof you shall have." Later Feralcat writes: See this brings my point home so well.......It is truth to me....and if you and all your cronies would leave it at that....you could talk about "your" beliefs until your called to wherever it is your going. But see this is my beef.....you all don't leave me to my beliefs....you just disputee and call them fables....I don't have one single problem with you putting out what you believe any of you....JUST LEAVE WHAT I BELIEVE OUT OF IT.....pretty simple....you would think, but I have yet to see it. Belushi writes: Then why start a thread like this. You believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden and so do all your believer entourage - finito! This thread was your way of starting an argument so that you can stamp your little foot and shout "leave me alone!!!" Also dont start quoting scriptures when the rest of us debate religious topics unless you want someone to ridicule your bed-time horror tales. You brought this on yourself - so live with it. Feralcat I understand that your proof is proof to you. But it is only proof to you and other believers. What makes you think you can offer proof to people who want real proof? First you say you have proof. Then you say "It is truth to me!!" Then you say "JUST LEAVE WHAT I BELIEVE OUT OF IT." Then you say: "But see this is my beef.....you all don't leave me to my beliefs....you just dispute and call them fables.." Understand this please Feral, we will gladly leave you to your beliefs. We don't care what you believe. Truly we don't, if that is what you want to believe. But when you start a thread stating that you have proof, you are inviting controversy. Proof of what? That your beliefs are true? That they are not fables and myths? You can't prove that. Ever. So stop trying, and get over what other people think and get over that other people are calling what you believe fables and myths. You believe they are true right? I believe aliens exist too. But you know what? I don't get the least upset when people laugh at me and call me crazy. I expect it. I just think they are clueless... but I really don't care. In fact, I hope they are right. (I don't think they are but one can always hope.) I suspect aliens exist. Call me nuts if you want. But I gave up trying to prove it to people. Its a waste of time, and it could get very dangerous. Anyway. Don't worry in the least what other people think about what you believe. If you are right, you are right. If you are wrong you are wrong. Just chill out about it and keep on being the nice person that you are. |
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No more proof?
Check out my "proof" that the New Testament is a plagiarized forgery. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/157807 
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