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Topic: Now the want Christoper Columbus down
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Sat 08/19/17 08:09 PM
Edited by markc48 on Sat 08/19/17 08:11 PM
Who found America. That's messed up
And that's in Detroit.

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Sat 08/19/17 08:41 PM
Top it off with the end of Columbus Day.

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Sat 08/19/17 10:44 PM
History has many 'good' men who did 'bad' things, just like 'bad' men who did 'good' things

humans are complex, and so one person may be seen as a hero to some and as a terrorist to others, based upon THOSE individual histories with that person

no way to get around the fact everyone wont agree on who should be held in esteem and who should not,,

but I don't see it happening because it would cause too much of an uproar to the whole foundation of why Americans feel like 'AMERICANS' in the first place , let alone leave question to everything else taught about American history and its heroes/enemies,,,,


but then again, I never though Id see the day when schools would allow the turn over of something as simple as BATHROOM anatomy and human anatomy when using pronouns,,,..lol

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Sun 08/20/17 12:03 AM

Who found America. That's messed up
And that's in Detroit.



That would be the Vikings.

10,000 years before the Vikings.... Native Americans.

Christopher Columbus did not find America. He did, however, bring colonization, disease, genocide


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Sun 08/20/17 12:05 AM
Edited by dreamerana on Sun 08/20/17 12:33 AM
America was not an uninhabited isolated place. It had people with their own culture.
Columbus didn't find anything. He landed somewhere.

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Sun 08/20/17 12:41 AM
Those dam vikings have a lot to answer for!
Eric the red had a look round for a while but it didn't last

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Sun 08/20/17 02:13 AM
yep,"Ministry Of Truth" hard at work!grumble

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Sun 08/20/17 02:14 AM

America was not an uninhabited isolated place. It had people with their own culture.
Columbus didn't find anything. He landed somewhere.

The present-day Bahamas actually!

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Sun 08/20/17 02:21 AM
Ana, guess by columbus they mean "civilised " rather than natives?
What have people got against him anyway? I don't understand, is America running out of people to blame? laugh

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Sun 08/20/17 03:09 AM

Ana, guess by columbus they mean "civilised " rather than natives?
What have people got against him anyway? I don't understand, is America running out of people to blame? laugh


the same thing people have against anyone in politics,, an idea that something or someone has or is 'taking' what 'belongs' to someone else,,,

and his writings about using the natives as servants and subjugates and their requirement to convert OR ELSE,,,

just to name a few things that some might have against him




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Sun 08/20/17 03:39 AM


Ana, guess by columbus they mean "civilised " rather than natives?
What have people got against him anyway? I don't understand, is America running out of people to blame? laugh


the same thing people have against anyone in politics,, an idea that something or someone has or is 'taking' what 'belongs' to someone else,,,

and his writings about using the natives as servants and subjugates and their requirement to convert OR ELSE,,,

just to name a few things that some might have against him





Thanks, I didn't know that, but how far do you go back? That unfortunately was how things were hundreds of years ago. We can't change it and by removing a statue won't re wite history. just an excuse for violence I think.

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Sun 08/20/17 07:27 AM


It's an attempt to strip America of it's heritage and history in order to make it possible to replace it's form of government with a New World order...spock

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Sun 08/20/17 07:38 AM
Edited by Rooster35 on Sun 08/20/17 07:39 AM
The bills have white racist men on them. Please boycott those bad men by not using the bills their heads are on and by sending them to me. I promise I'll dispose of them in a manner that is beneficial to all.
:smile:

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Sun 08/20/17 08:21 AM



It's an attempt to strip America of it's heritage and history in order to make it possible to replace it's form of government with a New World order...spock


I believe there's some truth to this and it makes sense. It's an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality and although at times it works as a temporary solution, it's also ignorant, it doesn't solve or take care of the underlying issue, imo.

I agree with what Mikey said, removing it won't rewrite history and it's just another excuse for violence. We don't need to remove what was to bring in a New World order or what will be. It's all part of the whole evolutionary process, like a time line....for future generations to learn from...And hopefully some day, discover other ways besides violence to make changes in our world.

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Sun 08/20/17 08:24 AM

Ana, guess by columbus they mean "civilised " rather than natives?
What have people got against him anyway? I don't understand, is America running out of people to blame? laugh

Best response I've heard in a while. :thumbsup:

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Sun 08/20/17 08:43 AM
The danger with removing the past (Human History) is that people will make the same mistakes over again.

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Sun 08/20/17 08:46 AM

The danger with removing the past (Human History) is that people will make the same mistakes over again.

That already happens even if you don't remove the past.

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Sun 08/20/17 09:02 AM



Ana, guess by columbus they mean "civilised " rather than natives?
What have people got against him anyway? I don't understand, is America running out of people to blame? laugh


the same thing people have against anyone in politics,, an idea that something or someone has or is 'taking' what 'belongs' to someone else,,,

and his writings about using the natives as servants and subjugates and their requirement to convert OR ELSE,,,

just to name a few things that some might have against him





Thanks, I didn't know that, but how far do you go back? That unfortunately was how things were hundreds of years ago. We can't change it and by removing a statue won't re wite history. just an excuse for violence I think.


thats for the citizens to decide, I guess,,,

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Sun 08/20/17 09:05 AM
Why not chant "HATE IS THE NEW GREAT" while they are at it. Funding for what? And from where?
Then they made up a new word when a passerby said all lives matter, followed angrily by a few choice words in opposition. How are things looking on the scales today whoa

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Sun 08/20/17 09:05 AM

The danger with removing the past (Human History) is that people will make the same mistakes over again.


the past can't be removed, objects can

and when they are, it does not remove the past, but can remove a constant reminder of the pains of the past,,,,or the angst of feeling like an unwelcome guest

can you imagine if there were statues of the terrorists from 9/11? do you think people will say,,,'well, it is part of history, removing it wont change history?'

or bill cosby statues

or farrakhan,,,,,


many things happen in history, but statues generally are seen as an HOMAGE to a person, and there are certain people that citizens do not want to pay to maintain 'homage' to...

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