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When people think and write about "The Military" they often use combat references. The fact is that around eighty percent of people in "the military" never serve in any kind of combat environment. Most are technicians, administrators, and other "support" type personnel. The U.S. armed forces employs people from all walks of life. That includes racists, rapists, thieves, closet homosexuals, outright bigots, and borderline psychotics. There is no reason not to add transgenders to the list. I agree with your reasoning but all the people that are serving in active service, that went thru boot camp, are subject to combat service if called upon to do so. It is what you signed your life on the line for. Make no mistake about it, If you are ordered to combat - you will go to combat, no matter your designation. If you have no will to follow your orders, you should be removed/not accepted. Orders are not subject to acceptance. Its not a matter of asking will you it is a matter of telling YOU WILL. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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You have a LOT of things wrong here, ciretom. Slaves WERE prohibited from learning to read, and anyone who taught them, was considered a criminal. Women's property rights DID have to wait a very long time to be equal to men in the US. Tom4youhere: I think you have missed something with your thought ""If its not working - go back to what worked." Mainly, there's no evidence that something serious was NOT working in the military recently, but much more important, there IS no "what worked" in the past. Everything was covered up and hidden in the past. In short, it's another case where "the Good Old Days" never actually happened. As for the main thrust of the thread, rights is, and always has been a very confusing area. It's become extremely confusing in the last few decades. The best way I would describe it is less of a reversal, and more of a wildly confused battle with poor or not leadership on every side. For too long now, some significant people have been using the idea of RIGHTS, to push various agendas and goals that actually have nothing to do with Rights, or at least are made more difficult to deal with under the idea of Rights. Not to mention, that we have Rights being undone, because someone DID link some behavior to some important Right, and the backfire happened when that non-Right concern had to be addressed negatively, dragging the Right down with it. and, btw, having to wait to by a home is not the same as "cannot own a home"... |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Sat 07/29/17 01:36 PM
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When people think and write about "The Military" they often use combat references. The fact is that around eighty percent of people in "the military" never serve in any kind of combat environment. Most are technicians, administrators, and other "support" type personnel. The U.S. armed forces employs people from all walks of life. That includes racists, rapists, thieves, closet homosexuals, outright bigots, and borderline psychotics. There is no reason not to add transgenders to the list. I agree with your reasoning but all the people that are serving in active service, that went thru boot camp, are subject to combat service if called upon to do so. It is what you signed your life on the line for. Make no mistake about it, If you are ordered to combat - you will go to combat, no matter your designation. If you have no will to follow your orders, you should be removed/not accepted. Orders are not subject to acceptance. Its not a matter of asking will you it is a matter of telling YOU WILL. not just about the trannies, it's also about harmony of the services themselves... if half the military quits because they let gays/trannies in the military, they lose very good and well trained people.. didn't Spock say once "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"...you cannot force acceptance, regardless of what the liberals think... |
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When people think and write about "The Military" they often use combat references. The fact is that around eighty percent of people in "the military" never serve in any kind of combat environment. Most are technicians, administrators, and other "support" type personnel. The U.S. armed forces employs people from all walks of life. That includes racists, rapists, thieves, closet homosexuals, outright bigots, and borderline psychotics. There is no reason not to add transgenders to the list. I agree with your reasoning but all the people that are serving in active service, that went thru boot camp, are subject to combat service if called upon to do so. It is what you signed your life on the line for. Make no mistake about it, If you are ordered to combat - you will go to combat, no matter your designation. If you have no will to follow your orders, you should be removed/not accepted. Orders are not subject to acceptance. Its not a matter of asking will you it is a matter of telling YOU WILL. The only time support type people are going to be "ordered" into combat is if WWIII breaks out or if a base is threatened to be over run. Neither of which is likely to happen. And if it does, I'll guarantee ya that nobody is going to care what your sex is as long as you can shoot fairly straight. |
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When people think and write about "The Military" they often use combat references. The fact is that around eighty percent of people in "the military" never serve in any kind of combat environment. Most are technicians, administrators, and other "support" type personnel. The U.S. armed forces employs people from all walks of life. That includes racists, rapists, thieves, closet homosexuals, outright bigots, and borderline psychotics. There is no reason not to add transgenders to the list. I agree with your reasoning but all the people that are serving in active service, that went thru boot camp, are subject to combat service if called upon to do so. It is what you signed your life on the line for. Make no mistake about it, If you are ordered to combat - you will go to combat, no matter your designation. If you have no will to follow your orders, you should be removed/not accepted. Orders are not subject to acceptance. Its not a matter of asking will you it is a matter of telling YOU WILL. not just about the trannies, it's also about harmony of the services themselves... if half the military quits because they let gays/trannies in the military, they lose very good and well trained people.. didn't Spock say once "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"...you cannot force acceptance, regardless of what the liberals think... Homosexuals have been in the military since armies were invented. Regardless of what right wing prognosticators of nonsense say, the armed forces of the U.S. is in no way going to lose half it's personnel over sexual orientations. The same erroneous logic was used when the issue was letting blacks drive tanks and fly airplanes, and by the same sort of extremist right wing bigots. |
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When people think and write about "The Military" they often use combat references. The fact is that around eighty percent of people in "the military" never serve in any kind of combat environment. Most are technicians, administrators, and other "support" type personnel. The U.S. armed forces employs people from all walks of life. That includes racists, rapists, thieves, closet homosexuals, outright bigots, and borderline psychotics. There is no reason not to add transgenders to the list. I agree with your reasoning but all the people that are serving in active service, that went thru boot camp, are subject to combat service if called upon to do so. It is what you signed your life on the line for. Make no mistake about it, If you are ordered to combat - you will go to combat, no matter your designation. If you have no will to follow your orders, you should be removed/not accepted. Orders are not subject to acceptance. Its not a matter of asking will you it is a matter of telling YOU WILL. not just about the trannies, it's also about harmony of the services themselves... if half the military quits because they let gays/trannies in the military, they lose very good and well trained people.. didn't Spock say once "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"...you cannot force acceptance, regardless of what the liberals think... Homosexuals have been in the military since armies were invented. Regardless of what right wing prognosticators of nonsense say, the armed forces of the U.S. is in no way going to lose half it's personnel over sexual orientations. The same erroneous logic was used when the issue was letting blacks drive tanks and fly airplanes, and by the same sort of extremist right wing bigots. |
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You have a LOT of things wrong here, ciretom. Slaves WERE prohibited from learning to read, and anyone who taught them, was considered a criminal. Women's property rights DID have to wait a very long time to be equal to men in the US. Tom4youhere: I think you have missed something with your thought ""If its not working - go back to what worked." Mainly, there's no evidence that something serious was NOT working in the military recently, but much more important, there IS no "what worked" in the past. Everything was covered up and hidden in the past. In short, it's another case where "the Good Old Days" never actually happened. As for the main thrust of the thread, rights is, and always has been a very confusing area. It's become extremely confusing in the last few decades. The best way I would describe it is less of a reversal, and more of a wildly confused battle with poor or not leadership on every side. For too long now, some significant people have been using the idea of RIGHTS, to push various agendas and goals that actually have nothing to do with Rights, or at least are made more difficult to deal with under the idea of Rights. Not to mention, that we have Rights being undone, because someone DID link some behavior to some important Right, and the backfire happened when that non-Right concern had to be addressed negatively, dragging the Right down with it. and, btw, having to wait to by a home is not the same as "cannot own a home"... So, you're saying you approve of refusing education by race, and limiting women's financial rights to being below all males? |
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You have a LOT of things wrong here, ciretom. Slaves WERE prohibited from learning to read, and anyone who taught them, was considered a criminal. Women's property rights DID have to wait a very long time to be equal to men in the US. Tom4youhere: I think you have missed something with your thought ""If its not working - go back to what worked." Mainly, there's no evidence that something serious was NOT working in the military recently, but much more important, there IS no "what worked" in the past. Everything was covered up and hidden in the past. In short, it's another case where "the Good Old Days" never actually happened. As for the main thrust of the thread, rights is, and always has been a very confusing area. It's become extremely confusing in the last few decades. The best way I would describe it is less of a reversal, and more of a wildly confused battle with poor or not leadership on every side. For too long now, some significant people have been using the idea of RIGHTS, to push various agendas and goals that actually have nothing to do with Rights, or at least are made more difficult to deal with under the idea of Rights. Not to mention, that we have Rights being undone, because someone DID link some behavior to some important Right, and the backfire happened when that non-Right concern had to be addressed negatively, dragging the Right down with it. and, btw, having to wait to by a home is not the same as "cannot own a home"... So, you're saying you approve of refusing education by race, and limiting women's financial rights to being below all males? whatever you want to formulate with my comments is no concern of mine... if you can't understand what i type, then, by all means, come up with anything your mind can come to terms with... 
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In the military only officers can be fired or resign.
Enlisted are under contract and subject to UCMJ if they try desertion. Plus, any infraction of law in the military is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. I know because I almost got a felony on my record for coming back to the barracks drunk. Even traffic violations on base are felonies because they are federal laws. POTUS is the Commander in Chief. The highest ranking military officer. Even the POTUS is subject to the UCMJ. I never knew any slaves so I have no idea if they were allowed to learn language skills or not. I have known women in the 60's that owned their own homes and a few that even owned businesses. These were women that became independent long before I was born during World War 2. Perhaps my understanding of slavery is wrong but I thought that a slave was considered property and had the same rights as furniture or a plow. They were not required to use their brains except where it concerned completing the masters tasks? Disclaimer: I do not nor will I condone repression of any other human being. |
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knowing what is going on in the world requires us to use our brain,,,
unless we are inanimate/property which does no work and has no used or ability to utilize knowledge... and it was in the 1800s that women 'won' rights like being able to own homes in their own names, 
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knowing what is going on in the world requires us to use our brain,,, unless we are inanimate/property which does no work and has no used or ability to utilize knowledge... and it was in the 1800s that women 'won' rights like being able to own homes in their own names,
yay for women! 
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knowing what is going on in the world requires us to use our brain,,, unless we are inanimate/property which does no work and has no used or ability to utilize knowledge... and it was in the 1800s that women 'won' rights like being able to own homes in their own names,
and we've never been the same since 
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Heck, we aren't the same since yesterday,,lol
the world keeps spinning and changing,,, |
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Heck, we aren't the same since yesterday,,lol the world keeps spinning and changing,,, i hate that... |
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knowing what is going on in the world requires us to use our brain,,, unless we are inanimate/property which does no work and has no used or ability to utilize knowledge... and it was in the 1800s that women 'won' rights like being able to own homes in their own names,
I use my brain but don't care what goes on in the world. Perhaps, because I do use my brain, I realize that if it doesn't affect me I don't need to learn about it. I am no longer able to be a productive citizen. I do no work and make no contribution to society past being a consumer. If I died right now, there would be absolutely no change to society (except they would have to deal with the flying monkeys that will be released). My knowledge has no impact on anything except that which is in my immediate influence, which is very limited. The essence of your reply implies that I am less value than a slave was. At least slaves were productive to their masters. Essentially, as far as you are concerned with what you wrote, I am a nothing man. |
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huh?
work:activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result. not to be confused with employment WORK , if you need to use your brain to achieve something, (Which is necessary to type and communicate) you have fit my definition of 'working' |
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Some days (like today) just being verticle is work.
I'm in a particularly bad health way right now and my brain is basically registering everything as a lot of work (and pain) right now. I feel like a nothing man right now so I may have misinterpeted your statement. See what happens when I respond based on my feelings? I'm gunna go away now for a lil bit, perhaps a nap will help? |
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I do hope you will feel better Tom
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just call a Constitutional Convention,and you can do all the changing your heart desires,otherwise,Hands Off!
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