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Topic: " Is It Welfare or Wel-unfair...."
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Wed 05/03/17 11:35 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/03/17 11:37 AM

we are a society of human beings, we all start out as children and if we care about the future of society, and not just ourselves, investing in those children should be considered a civic duty,, so if those children's families fall upon hard times,, it is just as tantamount that society have a way to assist in getting them through as it is that they financially support a military,,,

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not really

Government is not your Mother & father, brother or sister or family. YOU have to make your future with or with out your families help.

And it is NOT a civic duty for the taxpayers to foot the bill for you to go to college unless their is a perfectly valid reason. There are grants available, scholarships available as well. If you don't fit into one.. then do it yourself.

There is no such thing as free college.. somebody has to pay for it and in your scenario.. that is that tax payer.

And the folks in the Military EARNED the right to a education after their time has been served. They did this by putting their life on the line for their country.. And they have earned that perk from their fellow countrymen.

To recap. People make choices in their life that they have to take responsibility for.. THEY DO.. not somebody else.. or their Government.

Its called accountability and responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Can't get handouts at every turn.. someone has to pay that bill







government is my mother and father, because it is the PEOPLE,,,which includes my mother and father and all of my family

my point about military is that taxpayers maintain it,, not that it provides education,,

we dont tell them because it was THEIR choice to join, we shouldn't be required to maintain them while they are in,,,


taxpayers understand the importance of a military and they should understand the importance of our children,,,

unfortunately, many only believe its important if its THEIR children

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Wed 05/03/17 04:27 PM
Msn Harmony,

You right on the money, I see it at the end of the night its about the children. We want nothing but the best for our little ones. I hate to hear cases around the world even in our own backyard that a child is hungry, that's breaks my heart, sorry I'm softy when it comes to kids.

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Wed 05/03/17 04:28 PM
FancyFox

Hey mommy, you right but I guess certain folks feel like they just can't get ahead. I don't know if I agree with that entirely but it has been said.

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Wed 05/03/17 04:33 PM
WellWorn,

Yes exactly....now do you know who we are?

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Wed 05/03/17 04:34 PM
WellWorn,

I give you hint we are not masonic.

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Wed 05/03/17 05:27 PM


we are a society of human beings, we all start out as children and if we care about the future of society, and not just ourselves, investing in those children should be considered a civic duty,, so if those children's families fall upon hard times,, it is just as tantamount that society have a way to assist in getting them through as it is that they financially support a military,,,

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not really

Government is not your Mother & father, brother or sister or family. YOU have to make your future with or with out your families help.

And it is NOT a civic duty for the taxpayers to foot the bill for you to go to college unless their is a perfectly valid reason. There are grants available, scholarships available as well. If you don't fit into one.. then do it yourself.

There is no such thing as free college.. somebody has to pay for it and in your scenario.. that is that tax payer.

And the folks in the Military EARNED the right to a education after their time has been served. They did this by putting their life on the line for their country.. And they have earned that perk from their fellow countrymen.

To recap. People make choices in their life that they have to take responsibility for.. THEY DO.. not somebody else.. or their Government.

Its called accountability and responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Can't get handouts at every turn.. someone has to pay that bill







government is my mother and father, because it is the PEOPLE,,,which includes my mother and father and all of my family

my point about military is that taxpayers maintain it,, not that it provides education,,

we dont tell them because it was THEIR choice to join, we shouldn't be required to maintain them while they are in,,,


taxpayers understand the importance of a military and they should understand the importance of our children,,,

unfortunately, many only believe its important if its THEIR children



Wrong again

Government is NOT your mother & father. Your parents are. It is their responsibility to help you thru college.. if they can. It is NOT the governments responsibility to foot the bill for your college education because you don't want to pay it or you don't want to work your way thru it.

Taxpayers do understand the importance of THEIR CHILDREN most parents UNDERSTND it is their RESPONSIBILITY to help THEIR children go to college or in any other form of upbringing. If they can


It is NOT the responsibility of others to take on the responsibility of someone else's kids.

If you make the decision to have them... then you raise em.. .including the costs affiliated with that. Not a novel approach... i.e... responsibility for your actions.

Don't pawn it off on someone else to pay for.


and guess what.. the money " Mom & Dad" are spending comes out of our pocket ( tax payer)... "Mom & Dad" don't actually have any money... no cookie jar in the white house. But its easy to spend when its not yours.. right.

The Government is " Mom & Dad"... Lol!!!






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Wed 05/03/17 05:34 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/03/17 05:39 PM
None of what I said had to do with taxpayers sending kids to college, and although other countries citizens do see that as a given investment towards the country's future that they do not mind being a collective investment,

and although that is definitely a valuable resource

it is not one of the physical NEEDs that I am concerned with like food shelter water and a safe place to live

I am only suggesting US CITIZENS should be as invested in their AMERICAN generations (Whether they personally created them or not) as they are in their AMERICAN MILITARY



If I see a kid in need of something I can offer and their parents can't, it matters not that they arent mine, or whether I think the parents SHOULD have been able to offer it, in any case, the KID cannot do it themselves

and they are a HELPLESS CHILD, and leaving them without is not an option,,, I realize that is an odd concept for the 'not my problem' culture,,,

but when it comes to families in need, the basics for the kids should not even be up for debate,,,,

Not as a career for the parents, but as an available resource to help struggling parents get through, for the kids and potentially the 'future leaders of this country


and the FOCUS should be on opportunities that enable parents to support their kids, not on PUNISHING and stigmatizing parents for the unforseeable obstacles that may cause them to temporarily need help doing so

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Wed 05/03/17 06:24 PM
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None of what I said had to do with taxpayers sending kids to college

I am only suggesting US CITIZENS should be as invested in their AMERICAN generations (Whether they personally created them or not) as they are in their AMERICAN MILITARY

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Nice try.. but that is talking from both sides of the mouth ;)

What you can " investing" I call taxpayers paying for... no matter which way you package it , it is coming out of the tax payers pocket.

Goes back to what I said... you make a decision to have them.. you foot the bill to raise them... not " Mom & Dad".. who I always thought was Uncle Sam... Lol

But enough of this.. we will never agree.. some want hand outs.. some believe in working for what they achieve... so be it.

Btw , the American people offer college aid to veterans for the service they GAVE to their country.. you know.. like defending their country.. being shot at.. stuff like that.. they earned that benefit.

Don't cheapen that.. please




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Thu 05/04/17 06:38 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 05/04/17 06:39 AM

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None of what I said had to do with taxpayers sending kids to college

I am only suggesting US CITIZENS should be as invested in their AMERICAN generations (Whether they personally created them or not) as they are in their AMERICAN MILITARY

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Nice try.. but that is talking from both sides of the mouth ;)

What you can " investing" I call taxpayers paying for... no matter which way you package it , it is coming out of the tax payers pocket.

Goes back to what I said... you make a decision to have them.. you foot the bill to raise them... not " Mom & Dad".. who I always thought was Uncle Sam... Lol

But enough of this.. we will never agree.. some want hand outs.. some believe in working for what they achieve... so be it.

Btw , the American people offer college aid to veterans for the service they GAVE to their country.. you know.. like defending their country.. being shot at.. stuff like that.. they earned that benefit.

Don't cheapen that.. please






so what if it is. The taxpayers are citizens too right? if 'taxpayers' can invest in the military, they can invest in Americas Children,,,

thats my opinion

children cannot 'earn' money,, but are still an American treasure,, don't cheapen THAT please,,,

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Thu 05/04/17 12:57 PM
OH DEAR.

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