if you want to better yourself go to college like i did

Oh Well said FancyFox, that should do the trick, everyone that hasn't got any Money to feed their Family, or Pay the Bills, should go back to School, what a great insight into the problem, College taught you well.

college is not what it once was,,,, many college grads also struggle to be able to provide for their families

education is always a great way to 'better' ourselves personally, but it is not always the answer to being able to provide for your family....and is more likely another source of debt to worry about providing for,,,

FanceyFox,

that's true but I think some people wouldn't be able to afford college. I went but I had a full academic scholarship.

even for those who can afford, it is an expense

expenses do not provide, they take from your provisions,,,,

the issue of being able to pay for food, shelter, and clothing is not solved by attending college,,,,

,although graduating from college may make one more marketable when seeking a job, the years that pass until that day still require income to provide and support one's family...

Ms Harmony,

you right on the money, I think people should listen to your wisdom they will learn something like I have when we conversing.

ty EyeAm,, and people can learn alot from your debating skills as well,,,

Just from our conversations here, proves to me that more Ear time should be given to those of us-who just may be able to come up with a solution to this Debate, and many more, but try as I may, I can't for the life of me, find a way to get to that Ear, it seems as though we are just bashing our heads against the wall, the powers that be love the fact that we are here,in a Bar, on the Street corner having these types of conversations, because it gets it out of our system, and we are not bothering them,so people plod along in the hope that maybe,ONE DAY, it will all change,and in the mean time they are telling us how lucky we are because another Dozen food Banks are to be opened,and if we want to better ourselves, we had better get on our Bikes and go and get a job,it is a perpetual system they have created for their own ends,every now and again we all seem to think it's getting better,but that's just the Carrot to keep us going, then they take the Carrot away,and beat us with the same old stick,we are not Mugs, but that's how they treat us.

Ms Harmony,

Well thank you........well I do god's will by enlighten folks I'm part of the one forty four....for those who don't the one forty four .......well I want you do your homework.

Or you could start your family after college, when you can afford a family.... right?

If you don't go to college but you still start a family, then do what many do..( including me) get 2 jobs until you establish yourself... without going on public assistance.

When we started our family.. that was our decision, not the governments. So, I paid for that decision.. not the taxpayers.. who had no input into our decision to have a family or not.

Are you saying you believe yourself to be one of the,One Hundred and Forty Thousand.

and while one is attending to college and working two jobs, who exactly cares after the children,, not pays the bills, but CARES for them?

when we started a family, it was our decision too , and both of us were working and maintining one home with two incomes,, then things changed

when we were no longer in ONE home and together and one or the other of us were unemployed


people need help sometimes, because life happens, we do not have as much CONTROL over things as some like to pretend we do

some people have a network of , I dont know, neighbors or friends or SOMEBODY who can assist them other than government , but many people do not

when people have children it is their decision, and others have no input, yet over the eighteen years, things happen out of peoples control, life happens, and those children will one day grow up and be a part of the society that DOES impact those taxpayers, and the investment into that is something to consider,, whether one personally chose to have kids of their own or not,,,

their is plenty of financial aid programs available to help you pay for your college education

FancyFox, I am sure there are,and you obviously mean well,and yes Education is the best way to move forward,I suppose if you are single and have the support of your Family-added to a financial aid program, you will no doubt, with your own efforts as an individual reach some level of success,and more power to those who do so,but far to many people are not in that position, people that just can't decide-that's it I am going back into Education, whether because of financial restraint, Children to feed, unemployment,or Disability.
I don't know if you have something similar in the states, but in the UK there is a Government backed program, called the open University,been around for Decades,was and still is advertised on TV,and now of course the internet,it is totally free, you just pick a subject/s you want to study,you are helped totally through the process,as in all schooling there is a final test,you are marked accordingly,and from this you could gain the Qualifying Degree you have sought,and the success rate is amazing, Authors,Actors,politicians,Journalists,Artists,every subject you can imagine,maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to put this to the US Authority body, possibly start locally,and hopefully it will catch on
and spread from State to State,HELP OUT PLEASE.

MS you are missing the point

If YOU decide to have children. That is YOUR decision. The taxpayers had no say in that... but you want them to foot the bill because YOU decided to start a family.. then go to college?

Millions and Millions..and Millions. of people have done it just that way I stated in my prior post.... they paid for their decision.

YOU want something.. YOU work for it.. YOU find a way.. you fall back on the Government as a last resort...as short term help.. that is what it was designed for. not as the PRIMARY fix to a decision YOU made.

I me..me..mine...not the way America way built.

Both for and against, and neither for or against.

I'm neither for or against work requirement bills because I don't really see them changing anything. Just pandering by politicians. Keeping the status quo. Making people believe the government is "doing something."

I'm for the idea of "work requirements" for anyone on any kind of government assistance.
I'm against simply demanding people work, of not providing people with the jobs when you expect them to "work."

Trade them medicaid for effort to do the jobs the prisoners do. Pick up trash, make license plates, work on a farm, train animals, telemarket or IT/customer service support, collate files, create presentations, paint buildings, clean graffiti, build houses for the homeless, dig ditches and graves, whatever.

Then it just becomes more like indentured slavery rather than poor people vote buying. "You want food, medicine, whatever, you have to keep working."
Debt slavery, government assistance taxpayer funded indentured slavery, same thing hidden by layers of false altruism and intent solely for the "optics."

yes, but not for college education AND supporting your family,, and those programs that 'help' create more that you owe,,,

deciding to have children does not mean one can foresee or control everything that might happen AFTER the children are born Green

going to college does not guarantee a job that can support a family,, TWO people having jobs and sharing one household makes it more likely

but when or if those TWO people are no longer BOTH working and living in one home, things change for financial needs

"I me me mine", is exactly what the ' wasn't my decision' argument reflects,,,


we are a society of human beings, we all start out as children and if we care about the future of society, and not just ourselves, investing in those children should be considered a civic duty,, so if those children's families fall upon hard times,, it is just as tantamount that society have a way to assist in getting them through as it is that they financially support a military,,,

help is help, people should have options , because not everyone has the same resources, not everyone will need the same 'help'

we are a society of human beings, we all start out as children and if we care about the future of society, and not just ourselves, investing in those children should be considered a civic duty,, so if those children's families fall upon hard times,, it is just as tantamount that society have a way to assist in getting them through as it is that they financially support a military,,,

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not really

Government is not your Mother & father, brother or sister or family. YOU have to make your future with or with out your families help.

And it is NOT a civic duty for the taxpayers to foot the bill for you to go to college unless their is a perfectly valid reason. There are grants available, scholarships available as well. If you don't fit into one.. then do it yourself.

There is no such thing as free college.. somebody has to pay for it and in your scenario.. that is that tax payer.

And the folks in the Military EARNED the right to a education after their time has been served. They did this by putting their life on the line for their country.. And they have earned that perk from their fellow countrymen.

To recap. People make choices in their life that they have to take responsibility for.. THEY DO.. not somebody else.. or their Government.

Its called accountability and responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Can't get handouts at every turn.. someone has to pay that bill

There is a solution to this debate. That will come when the funds dry up as projected. We are passed the part of who gets how much, when and how long. Our friends in Washington just passed a one year trillion dollar budget. That's more than the revenue the gov takes in a year. Over 100 million receiving some type of gov assistance and climbing. Talk about a death spiral.