I have no reason to doubt your intentions wouldee, they are noble.

But this comment about 'thruth', is a 'no pass'.

If there is a clear lie in life, it is the false belief that one would hold a personnal connection to 'truth', over others.

That iseverything evil about religions, dogma, and cults. The correlation between holding a right to absolute truth a means of power over others.

Primitively subjective at best, and seriously delusionnal, and moralistically condescending at worst.

'God is on my side', and 'truth is my strenght', are equally potent lies, which have lead humans to act on the worst perversities in history.

I trust there is such a thing as the truth. But I equally tust that our very 'observational-interpretive' essential nature, limited to an personnal interprative representation of everything that surronds us, automatically distorts 'thruth', or reality as an absolute 'is'.

Seeking that which is most likely to be true, and never attaining it, is the condition inside which we humans are given to operate throughout life.

Seeking what is most likely to be true, out of human interpretive consensus, is our collective strenght. Not 'truth' itself.

Then, by your reasoning , My pursuit of truth and its embrace excudes me from the collective consensus.


That's illogical.

Emotionally charged, perhaps.


But illogical.


I'll remain steadfast in my resolve.


Let me know when you see me sitting at the table, won't you?

Voile...wouldee...

Quit it... if you two keep this up, I will have to adapt my written vocabulary to purposefully leave out the word...

The only illogicism here my friend, is your confusion or inabiblity to distinguish between...

The embrace of the PURSUIT of what is true,

Distinct from,

The embrace of the truth.

Listen to your own dialectic my friend: given your pursuit of the truth, with which I agree, how can you claim embracing the truth itself?!?!?

The quest my friend!!! Embracing the quest or pursuit, IS our purpose!!!

Not so, my friend.

Purpose is one of three components proferred upon mankind.

They are mission, objective and purpose.

That clearly represents a destiny is within reach.

Embrace that.

The quest always has a destination for which one must acknowledge.

Let me know when you see me sitting at the table of consensus, won't you?

Bulk reasoning again wouldee.

Stretch my friend, stretch!

The quest's only destination, is the journey itself!!!

If it were otherwise my friend we would have reached destination a hell of a long time ago!!!

... and you are wouldee, sitting at the big table of consensus!!!

It is a table of one, and you have reached consensus with yourself!!!

:)

Then let us agree, at the very least and qualified by my discriminate conclusion, that we have chosen paths that will never meet.


I will continue to savor your friendship til the last,embracing the fellowship of our accompaniment as we journey.

I hate to have to disagree with you again wouldee, but our paths have met, and will keep meeting as expressed by your second comment of same post.

:)
:)

In my 'religion', everything is all the same. The only thing that separates everything from everything else is us. Everything in existence is part of everything else. We are the ones that separate each other from ourselves with things like religion, ego, hatred, and selfishness, just to name a few. We and everything are combinations of the same elements.

Should we kill?
Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother...companion..neighbor.(See also 1 Sam. 6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex 34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2)
Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...jealousy..." (See also 2 Cor 12:20)

Should we tell lies?
Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21:8)
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Should we steal?
Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Shall we keep the Sabbath?
Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)

Shall we make Graven images?
Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.

Are we "saved" through works?
Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)

Should good works be seen?
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)

Should we own slaves?
Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47; Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)

Does God change his mind?
Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)

Are we punished for our parent's sins?
Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7)
Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

Is God Peaceable?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Shall we call people names?
Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46; I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

How many gods are there?
Deut. 6:4 The Lord or God is one Lord.
Gen. 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image.(Gen. 3:22; I John 5:7)

Are we all sinners?
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3)
Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6)

When was Jesus crucified?
Mark 15:22 and it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
John 19:14-15 And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out...crucify him!"

red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)


(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?


(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?


(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?


(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many were the children of Adin?


(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)
(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
(b) No (Joshua 15:63)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)
(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was the father of Shelah?


(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
(b) No(John 1:19-21)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”
(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?


(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?


(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”
(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?


(a) Yes(Mark6:8)
(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
(b) No (Luke 9:9)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?


(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
(b) No (John 1:32,33)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?


(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
(b) No (Matthew 11:2)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?


(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?


(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?


(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a) “The **** will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).
(b) “Before the **** crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the **** crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a) Yes (John 19:17)
(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?


(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)
(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)
(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?


(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?


(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a) Yes(Acts9:7)


(b) No(Acts22:9)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?


(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When the Israelites dwelt in ****tin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?


(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)


(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?


(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)


(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How did Judas die?


(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?


(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)


(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who is a ransom for whom?


(a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)


(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Is the law of Moses useful?


(a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)


(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What was the exact wording on the cross?


(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)


(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)


(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)


(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?


(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)


(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?


(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)


(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?


(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)


(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?


(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)


(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?


(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)


(b) No. (John 12:27)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?


(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)


(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?


(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)


(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?


(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)


(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?


(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46)


(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?


(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)


(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?


(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)


(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)

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(a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)


(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)

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(a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)


(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?


(a) No (John 3:13)


(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?


(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)


(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?


(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)


(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)

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(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)


(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?


(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)


(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?


(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)


(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)


(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?


(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)


(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?


(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)


(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)

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(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)


(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?


(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)


(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When did the disciples return to Galilee?


(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist


(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... “(Acts 1:4)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?


(a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28)


(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)

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(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28)


(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)


(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Does God change his mind?


(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King...” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)


(b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)


(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)

“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)

ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:


(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)


(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who killed Goliath?


(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)


(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

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(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)


(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Does every man sin?


(a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)


(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:8)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Who will bear whose burden?


(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)


(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?


(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)


(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?


(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)


(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

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(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)


(b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

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red_pulse.gif (877 bytes) When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?


(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)


(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)

Were humans created before or after the other animals?
Humans were created after the other animals Humans were created before the other animals

Gen.1:25-27
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and the cattle after their kind ... And God said, Let us make man ... So God created man in his own image."



Gen.2:18-19
"And the Lord God said it is not good that man should be alone; I will make a help-meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them."

Did Adam die on the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Adam will die on the day that he eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam eats from the tree, yet lives another 930 years.

Gen.2:17
"But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."



Gen.3:6
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food ... she took of the fruit therof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
Gen.5:5
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

When did Satan enter Judas?
Satan entered Judas before the last supper. Satan entered Judas after the last supper.

Lk.22:3, 7
" Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot .... Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed."



Jn.13:27
"And after the sop Satan entered into him.."

How did Judas die?
He hanged himself. He fell down and died.

Mt.27:5
"And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."



Acts 1:18
" Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

When was Jesus Crucified?
He was crucified at the third hour. He was crucified sometime after the sixth hour.

Mk.15:25
"And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."



Jn.19:14-16
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."

Whom did the women see at the tomb?
An angel. A young man. Two men. Two angels.

Mt.28:2
"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.."



Mk.16:5
"And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted."



Lk.24:4
"And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments."



Jn.20:12
"And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain."

Is Salvation by faith alone?
Salvation is by faith alone. Salvation is not by faith alone.

Mk.16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Jn.3:18, 36
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Acts 16:30-31
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Rom.1:16-17
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth .... As it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Rom.3:20
"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."

Rom.3:28
"A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom.4:2
"For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

Rom.4:13
"For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

Rom.5:1
"Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Gal.2:16
"A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."

Gal.3:11-12
"The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Eph.2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."



Ps.62:12
"For you render to each one according to his works."

Jer.17:10
"I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Mt.12:37
"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Mt.16:27
"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

Mt.19:17
"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Lk.10:26-28
"He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Jn.5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Rom.2:6, 13
"Who 'will render to each one according to his deeds'. For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified."

2 Cor.5:10
"For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

2 Cor.11:15
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

Jas.2:14
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?"

Jas.2:17
"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

Jas.2:21-25
"Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

1 Pet.1:17
"The Father, who without pariality judges according to each one's work."

Who is for or against Jesus?
Those who are not with Jesus are against him. Those who are not against Jesus are for him.

Mt.12:30, Lk.11:23
"He that is not with me is against me."



Mk.9:40
"For he that is not against us is on our part."

Lk.9:50
"For he that is not against us is for us.."

Can God be found through reason alone?
God's existence and nature can be found from reason alone. God's existence and nature cannot be found from reason alone.

Rom.1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."



Job 11:7
"Canst thou by searching find out God?."

Genealogy of Jesus (Mt.1 vs Lk.3)
Genealogies of Jesus from Matthew and Luke (David to Jesus)
Mt.1:6-16 Lk.3:21-31

1. David
2. Solomon
3. Robomoam
4. Abia
5. Asa
6. Josaphat
7. Joram
8. Ozias
9. Joatham
10. Achaz
11. Ezekias
12. Manasses
13. Amon
14. Josias
15. Jecohnias
16. Salathiel
17. Zorobabel
18. Abiud
19. Eliakim
20. Azor
21. Sadoc
22. Achim
23. Eliud
24. Eleazar
25. Matthan
26. Jacob
27. Joseph
28. Jesus



1. David
2. Nathan
3. Mattatha
4. Menan
5. Melea
6. Eliakim
7. Jonan
8. Joseph
9. Juda
10. Simeon
11. Levi
12. Matthat
13. Jorim
14. Eliezer
15. Jose
16. Er
17. Elmodam
18. Cosam
19. Addi
20. Melchi
21. Neri
22. Salathiel
23. Zorobabel
24. Rhesa
25. Joanna
26. Juda
27. Joseph
28. Semei
29. Mattathias
30. Maath
31. Nagge
32. Esli
33. Naum
34. Amos
35. Mattathias
36. Joseph
37. Janna
38. Melchi
39. Levi
40. Matthat
41. Heli
42. Joseph
43. Jesus

Genealogy of Jesus (Mt.1 vs 1 Chr.)
Genealogies of Jesus from Matthew and 1 Chronicles
From David to the Babylonian Captivity
Mt.1:6-16 1 Chr.3:10-16

1. Solomon
2. Robomoam
3. Abia
4. Asa
5. Josaphat
6. Joram
7. Ozias
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8. Joatham
9. Achaz
10. Ezekias
11. Manasses
12. Amon
13. Josias
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14. Jecohnias



1. Solomon
2. Rehoboam
3. Abia
4. Asa
5. Jehosaphat
6. Joram
7. Azariah
8. Joash
9. Amaziah
10. Azariah
11. Jotham
12. Ahaz
13. Hezekiah
14. Manasseh
15. Amon
16. Josiah
17. Jehoiakim
18. Jeconiah

Welcome to the games, Eros.

Let me know if you need a tour.

I know where the mud puddles are.

You must learn the buzz words quickly, too!

By the way, do you ride a bicycle or a unicycle?

Knowing that would help.

Wheels...? No,I just float above the ground about an inch or 2.

I'm sorry if I went overboard with my posts.

For your own safety, pretend you walk.


Well, welcome to Jsh and your input is certain to draw attention.

Hopefully, many will find it revealing and informative.

Most people never open the Bible.

Your post will make it easier to find the basis for so many discussions.

Ok,then let me start.

Q: Why does jesus NEED a genealogy linking him to king david of Israel(through his father)?

A: Because, obviously people originally thought jesus WAS the prophetized heir to the throne. Much LATER, the "virgin birth" story was invented, to counter ...confusion...that mary, jesus's mother was mary the prostitute(or adulteress).

The rest just snowballed into the "belief" some have today.

As it happens, the Greek translators had made a mistake. When they were translating the Hebrew writings into the Greek Septuagint and similar translations, they converted the Hebrew word "almah" as the Greek equivalent of our English word for virgin. "Almah" appears 9 other times in the Hebrew Scriptures; in each case it means "young woman". When the scriptures referred to a virgin (and they do over 50 times) they always used the Hebrew word "betulah". So, Isaiah appears to have referred to a young woman becoming pregnant (a rather ordinary event).

Some English translators are accurate to the original Hebrew:
Revised English Bible: "...a young woman is with child..."
Revised Standard Version: "...a young woman shall conceive..."
James Moffatt Translation: "...a young woman with child..."
New Revised Standard Version: "...the young woman is with child..."

The Writers of the Gospel of Q are Silent on the Virgin Birth: The Gospel of Q was an early gospel, which was written about 50 CE and later expanded. No copies have survived, but the original text has been pieced together through theological research. It says nothing about the virgin birth. This is a possible indicator that the early followers of Jesus did not hold that belief. If they knew of such an important miracle, they would probably have included some mention of it.
The Writer(s) of the Gospel of John imply a normal Birth: Some liberals believe that the Gospel of John was written by a group of authors. The writer(s) did not mention the virgin birth. They must have aware of the belief, since the Gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke would have been widely circulated for 5 to 15 years by the time that the Gospel of John was written. They seem to have rejected it as being a false teaching. In John 1:45 they refer to Jesus specifically as "the son of Joseph." John 6:42 has the townspeople: "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know?" If the author(s) believed in the miracle of the virgin birth, he/they would undoubtedly have mentioned it somewhere in the gospel.
The Writer(s) of the Gospel of Thomas is Silent: Many theologians believe that this Gospel was originally written about the same time as Mark, about 70 CE. It was in wide use among various Christian communities at the time, but never made it into the official canon. It is also silent about any miracles associated with Jesus' birth. However, its silence is not proof that the virgin birth was unknown to the author(s). Thomas is a "sayings gospel" which deals primarily with the parables and conversations of Jesus.

In conclusion the most likely scenario, as interpreted by many liberal Christians is:
The writer(s) of the Gospel of Q, circa 50 CE, seem to have been unaware of the virgin birth.
Paul (who was executed about 64 CE) was similarly unaware.
The writer of the Gospel of Mark, circa 70 CE hadn't heard of it either.
If any of the above writers knew of a virgin birth, they would almost certainly have realized that it was a miraculous event and would have incorporated it into their writings.
Sometime between 70 and 90 CE, a myth of the virgin birth was invented, probably to strengthen the authority of Jesus' teachings by claiming that his birth was miraculous. This was a time of great change, as the Roman Army had demolished Jerusalem and its temples and scattered many of the Jews throughout the Roman empire. There, they would come into contact with many stories of virgin births of various politicians and deities from Pagan religions. In fact, it would have been unusual if the developing story of Jesus' birth did not include many of the features found in mythical figures of other religions.
By the 90's, the belief was widespread. The authors of Luke and Matthew incorporated it into their Gospels.
The writer(s) of the Gospel of John likely knew of the story, but rejected it as being a false teaching that was not believed by his faith group within Christianity.

...Well...? Care to explain at least ONE of the points I brought up?

Didn't think so...