No, I am saying that Gen 1:1 - Gen 2:4a is the account of creation. It is orderly and linear. From Gen 2:4b on... is the account of man. Who had already been created in Gen 1:26.
Also - in Gen 2:1 it says "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. Since creation was complete before the second chapter of Genesis, thinking that there are contradictions of creation by comparing Genesis chapter one with chapter two is not reading with understanding. Chapter two is merely refering back to that which was already created, and therefore does not necessarily have to attribute it's references linearly to be understood. I seem to recall having this explained to me back in elementry school concerning a book we were reading. Therefore seeing these as contradictions are because one wishes them to conform to a theory they are trying to prove rather than drawing a concluison by reading the entirety of text. When you read the original post - it sure seems like opbvious contradictions, eH?

YOU GO GIRL ORDINARY BOOKS DONT CHANGE LIVES LIKE THIS ONE AMEN AMEN AND AMEN

Here's some more for you Rambill. Though the first I posted have yet to be answered (dispelled).



DT 24:16, 2KI 14:6, 2CH 25:4, EZ 18:20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
RO 5:12, 19, 1CO 15:22 Death is passed to all men by the sin of Adam.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

MT 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
AC 1:18 He fell headlong, burst open, and his bowels gushed out.

MT 27:44 Both of those who are crucified with Jesus taunt him.
LK 23:39-42 Only one taunts Jesus, and he is rebuked by the other for doing so.

MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

MK 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist.
JN 3:22-24 Before the arrest of John the Baptist.

AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:11-13 God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth.

RE 8:7 All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then ...
REV 9:4 An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.

God who hates that which He knowingly created without mistake?????

What's the deal with the angels having sexual relations with human females in GEN:3. This is where giants came from.(David and Goliath) Also, I believe that they proved that the earth was flooded by an asteroid. They even compared it to the drawings on cave walls, from the time, showing the asteroid coming down to earth. Also, according to the book,before Jesus was born, all mankind was going to Hell if you were not a Jew. The christen god loved us so much we were automatically going to hell for the crimes of our ancestors. Just simply because we were their 'seed'. I guess that he hated me before he loved me. LOL.

First, you're quoting me giving an attribution to a source for some examples of exactly what the OP, Rambill, asked for. I didn't start the thread. And thread is about _Inconsistencies_ not "Conspiracies". So if you insist on being a rude braggart , could you at least post coherently and accurately before you start calling other peoples' work 'sad'?

Like so many in this thread, you're attempting to use what the philosopher Ayn Rand called "The Argument from Intimidation". It often follows the form:

""Only the most degenerate, morally depraved, cretinous imbecile could
fail to see the truth of my argument." -- Ayn Rand, Chapter 19 in 'The Virtue of Selfishness'.

Not having the power to compel someone to believe as you do, you impugn their character and intelligence in an attempt to swindle out of them either their silence or their assent. Oh, you and the OP may pretend you want to honestly debate the subject, but what you're really looking for are lackeys you and your goon squads can berate to validate your 'Texas Sharpshooter' attempts at 'proof' through intimidation.

The Texas Sharpshooter Effect is where someone fires bullets at the side of a barn, then paints targets around the holes. He then claims that every effort is a bullseye, and goes on to challenge the dissenter to a gunfight based on his phony credentials on the side of that barn.

Trouble is, sooner or later he runs across a real straight shooter who knows the game and isn't intimidated.


-Kerry O.

Ah Kerry O.

I am beginning to like you more and more...

I think you may have that wrong, Jews would not be going to "Hell". I think you are looking for the word "Gehenna" which was considered their hell or purgatory this was a place outside Jerusalem where they burned bodies, there trash and any other waste matter. If you could only imagine what that would have been like to see or to smell and when someone says "You're going to Gehenna ie Hell" well one could only imagine how scared they were of being thrown down into that pit of fire.

No I meant Hell as in heaven or hell. Unless you were a Jew, you didn't even get the chance at the gift of eternal life.
"God who hates that which He knowingly created without mistake?????"
I like that quote.
Another good reason why I don't follow the christian god.

netuserlla...

My friend this actually never made sense to me thinking along the parameters of that which I had been taught...

On one hand...

On the other though...

Outside the "man creating God in man's own image box"...

It is absolutely a "leakproof" statement...

If I may add this...

"Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams — they all have different names, but they all contain water. Just as religions do — they all contain truths."
Muhammad Ali

Wardriver!!!

That one just flew over at 30,000'.....

The imagery is proof to the skeptic of taking prose in literal context and escaping culpability for due diligence.

A debate quoting Shakespeare and popeye would yield the same.

Nada, zip, nothing.

The dilemma is in swinging The Sword at the division of soul and spirit coherently.

But I'm sure this one flew over the cuckoos nest at 60,000'!!!



Thin air and thin skinned emotions starving and sleeping.


How to....how too....

1 Samuel 18:1-4 "After David had finished talking with Saul, he met Jonathan, the king’s son. There was an immediate bond between them, for Jonathan loved David. From that day on Saul kept David with him and wouldn’t let him return home. And Jonathan made a solemn pact with David, because he loved him as he loved himself. Jonathan sealed the pact by taking off his robe and giving it to David, together with his tunic, sword, bow, and belt."

1 Samuel 19:1-7 "Saul now urged his servants and his son Jonathan to assassinate David. But Jonathan, because of his strong affection for David, told him what his father was planning. 'Tomorrow morning,' he warned him, 'you must find a hiding place out in the fields. I’ll ask my father to go out there with me, and I’ll talk to him about you. Then I’ll tell you everything I can find out.' The next morning Jonathan spoke with his father about David, saying many good things about him. 'The king must not sin against his servant David,' Jonathan said. 'He’s never done anything to harm you. He has always helped you in any way he could. Have you forgotten about the time he risked his life to kill the Philistine giant and how the Lord brought a great victory to all Israel as a result? You were certainly happy about it then. Why should you murder an innocent man like David? There is no reason for it at all!' So Saul listened to Jonathan and vowed, 'As surely as the Lord lives, David will not be killed.' Afterward Jonathan called David and told him what had happened. Then he brought David to Saul, and David served in the court as before."

1 Samuel 20:30-42 "Saul boiled with rage at Jonathan. 'You stupid son of a whore!' he swore at him. 'Do you think I don’t know that you want him to be king in your place, shaming yourself and your mother? As long as that son of Jesse is alive, you’ll never be king. Now go and get him so I can kill him!' 'But why should he be put to death?' Jonathan asked his father. 'What has he done?' Then Saul hurled his spear at Jonathan, intending to kill him. So at last Jonathan realized that his father was really determined to kill David. Jonathan left the table in fierce anger and refused to eat on that second day of the festival, for he was crushed by his father’s shameful behavior toward David. The next morning, as agreed, Jonathan went out into the field and took a young boy with him to gather his arrows. 'Start running,' he told the boy, 'so you can find the arrows as I shoot them.' So the boy ran, and Jonathan shot an arrow beyond him. When the boy had almost reached the arrow, Jonathan shouted, 'The arrow is still ahead of you. Hurry, hurry, don’t wait.' So the boy quickly gathered up the arrows and ran back to his master. He, of course, suspected nothing; only Jonathan and David understood the signal. Then Jonathan gave his bow and arrows to the boy and told him to take them back to town. As soon as the boy was gone, David came out from where he had been hiding near the stone pile. Then David bowed three times to Jonathan with his face to the ground. Both of them were in tears as they embraced each other and said good-bye, especially David. At last Jonathan said to David, 'Go in peace, for we have sworn loyalty to each other in the Lord’s name. The Lord is the witness of a bond between us and our children forever.' Then David left, and Jonathan returned to the town.

2 Samuel 1:25-26 "Oh, how the mighty heroes have fallen in battle! Jonathan lies dead on the hills. How I weep for you, my brother Jonathan! Oh, how much I loved you! And your love for me was deep, deeper than the love of women!"


Are the above scriptures telling a tale of a same sex romantic relationship possible marriage (covenant)?

Ummm... Been reading the thread at all?

Eljay,


He didn't read the memo.

I'm sure he won't mind.

agendas are like that.

Driving the wrong way on a one way street

Enh, I think I'm doomed by my curiosity, imagination and my increasing impatience with dogma-as-a-substitute-for-reasoning to become a curmudgeon.

Once upon a time, Groucho Marx tried to join a private swimming club. Upon being told that his application was rejected because the club didn't admit Jews, he said "Well, then, how about my son? He's only half Jewish. Can he go in the water up to his waist?"

See, it's that same sense of outrage at all-or-nothing religious bigotry being dressed up in smarmy excess that occassionally gets the best of me when clearly, it would have been more prudent to just STFU.

But then, that's how the world got this way.


-Kerry O.

EUREKA!!!

We have proof of the origins of the Texas Sharphooters!!!

It has been unquestionnably demonstrated that the 'ORIGINS' OF the 'Texas Sharphooters', is the 'prostestanicus-presuppositionisticus-apologeticus-bible/inerrancycus-fundiecus', a primitive form of the two legged primates, and not yet extinct, whose main distinction with modern 'homo sapiens' is an inherent limitation of the Cortex, to 'fallacicus-circularis-logicus', a form of epidemic disease which may very be the eventual caused of extinction of that species.

To this date, and most ironically, this is the only proof of a validatable living 'link' for 'evolution'. That's right, you've heard here:

"... 'The Texas Sharpshooters' have helped scientists shot a bull's eye, and kill forever the 'fallacicus-circularis-logicus' 'missing link' apologeticus argument against evolution. Sort of a 'revelational backfiring', of Divine Redifinational proportions.

Thanks to the texas sharpshooters, this 'fallacicus-circularis-logicus' debate over our origins, is over, and 'creationism is DEAD!!!

There will never a greater truism: LONG LIVE 'EVOLUTION' !!!

There will never a second greater (if ironic) truism: 'THANK GOD, CREATIONISM, AND BIBLE INERRANCY ARE DEAD!!!'

IMPORTANT NOTE:
We realize this can represent a veritable 'end of world' sentiment for most of our 'bible inerrancy' friends and fellow humans of the fundamental word for word bible view of the universe.

Join me all, in extending a sincere and authentic 'open arms' invitation, and claim high and strong to our 'presuppositionist' friends THAT THERE IS REAL LIFE BEYOUND BIBLE INERRANCY.

VOILA!!!!

Don't have to yell my friend.

No need to CUSs either!!!

I like Mitsybishis too!

We're the same.

We won't STFU!!!!!

wouldee,

"... CUSS - YELL ???"

I realize denial will be strong for most, during the 'withdrawal' period.

I trust that that withdrawal will be on the brief side for Wouldee. You are amongst the strong ones'.

Regardless, you know I'll be there my friend.


The Church for Real Life Beyound Bible Inerrancy:
"... where bible inconsistencies with real life, is perfectly consistent!!!"

I am weak, my friend.

Truth is my strength.

Don't leave home without it.


Here, pithy, pithy, pithy!!!!

Just looking at one of the statements posted earlier:

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.

What I get from this is that Cain did not offer God the best from his crops. Cain gave but it was done unwillingly. To me it just indicates that God knows what is in the heart of the person and he is not looking at the outward appearance.