This doesn't appeal to me so there's no reason for me to believe that it would appeal to the masses either.

Would you find this description of heaven appealing?



I already told you that I got it. It’s just a no sale. There are simply more reasonable pictures that don’t require paradoxical absurdity. Why should I give up a reasonable picture for an irrational one?

No, but over a billion Muslims believe in a heaven just like that. With the addition of 372 slaves and walking trees.



I'm sorry, but I don't think you do understand it. You probably think you understand it, but you don't. Sorry man, I'll try to come up with another way to get the concept across to you.

You are a sweetheart.

No, but over a billion Muslims believe in a heaven just like that. With the addition of 372 slaves and walking trees.



walking trees? never heard that one before.

According to the Koran, men will sit around in couches, wearing silky cloths, drinking wine and telling the trees "Bring me your fruit" and the trees will walk over to them and give them fruit.

Where will the women be, you ask? They will all be there too, each man in heaven gets 72 sex slaves and 300 very attractive young boy servants...um...that young boys thing is creepy, but it's in there. Oh yeah and you get anything you will...so I wonder why you would need to young boy servants if you can will any food or drinks you need...and why do the trees walk, you could just will some fruit to appear in front of you...I just don't get it.

first .. i pray for you that u find the answer u are looking for.
bride in this text means friend.
unless u drink the blood of christ or eat of his body. means
that u drink something that is resembles christ body and blood. not really mean flesh and blood. do this remberence of me .......( luke chap 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. ...later on he did the same thing with the blood.

what does heave look like. good question, only god when and he is ready to show you he will.


far as turning the other cheek yes it does say that (sp)in the book of romans chap two it does say this...Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
as well as in Prov 24:12
also it goes on in in romans chap 12:19 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. as we as in Deut 32:35
leave all ur problems to god he will help you ...he may not give the answer you are looking for now but he will show you to when the time is right. ( in ecclesiates Chapter 3

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven) and yes that is a song to that written in the 60s'
i hope this has helped in answering some of ur questions. i dont have all the answers but god does and as i said before he will show u to them when he think the time has come.
i hope u find god because he is looking for you
all u have to do is open ur hart and pray . he will show him self to you

I'm a Christian. I'm tired of so many people saying "Christianity was created to control the masses", so I was showing beliefs that Christians hold which don't appeal to the masses.

Seriously man, I think you are obsessed with sex to much. Personally, I believe sex is a form of showing your love to your companion, as well as the way to reproduce. I believe there are so many other worldly indulgences in life that are better than being promised sex whenever you want. Tell me, why would there be a need to have sex in heaven, when ultimately it is only for reproduction. The main reason for it feeling so good, is just to ensure humans keep reproducing. Can you imagine if sex had no apeal to it. Humans would have either died out, or atleast be far less prevailant than they are today.

Look at it like this, you have a choice of religions to follow, only one of them being the one true religion. If you choose wrong, you're gonna go to hell. You get all these religions that promise you "worldy indulgances". Then a religion that only promises you that the afterlife will be beyond comprehension. Most people are gonna be like, "I get virgins and slaves and this and that, I'm on that bandwagon!" Well... It takes a true believer to follow a religion that doesn't tell you in depth what the afterlife brings, but tells you there is no sex. Sex should not be needed unless we are reproducing anyway.

Anyway that's my two cents.

spider, when i read your response, i thought i heard a tired sigh from you.

To the question of the host of the post,

"Christianity is man made?"

YES.

Like everything else which appears 'as reality' to man, Christianity is a 100% fabrication, straight out of man's 'symbol', and 'reason' making neo-cortex.

Why has made invented Christianity, and all of the other belief systems that it 'evolved' from???

Simply because man's neo-cortex sole job, is self-referential 'reasoning'; obsessively find a 'reason' for everything.

'reasoning' where we come from? Why we're here? Where do we go after 'here'? Have been the principal 'pet' questions of the human neo-cortex since he stumbled upon thinking his own thoughts. Since thinking actually occurred as a distinct possibility for our ancestor.

Christianity is simply one 'link' of a long chain of obsessive thinking about te same questions to which humannity still has no answer.

The 'neo-cortex' got pissed off, or frustrated I guess, and invented this 'single deity' as opposed to multiple, and a deity as 'cause' of the rest of creation, as opposed to many deities as part of the creation. And thus was created by man, over a period of hundreds of years, the Christian variety or link to the still unanswered questions of the neo-cortex.

Obviously, by the looks of this post and all other talks with 'fundies' whom still work hard to 'peddle' their religious 'evolution link' of the 'christian variety, and the rest of the world whom don't buy it, THE NEO-CORTEX IS STILL PISSED OFF WITH THE FACT THERE STILL ISN'T AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER.

Don't want to add oil on the fire here, but I don't think 'fundies' arguments are helping with the evolution of the species.

Darn, just remember!!! That's exactly their goal!!!

I'm a Christian. I'm tired of so many people saying "Christianity was created to control the masses", so I was showing beliefs that Christians hold which don't appeal to the masses.

Was it that obvious?

voileazur, in a nutshell, man created God b/c his brain got mad.

just kidding. i dont agree, will never agree, may even get slightly offended at times, but we all have a choice in our lives. my choice is God. i believe with my heart and soul that my choice is right. your choice is (not sure of your religious leanings) not God. and you believe your choice is right.

i have been all over these forums, posting and lurking and i have never seen more arguments than in the religious forum.

i know, im rambling. probably not making sense. im tired, my son is sick and im only here b/c he is resting.

Honestly I felt you were going that way with it, but you just kept mentioning about religions that offer sex and other indulgances compared to Christianity which doesn't. So it was kinda hard for me to tell how you were leaning on the subject. Regardless though. what I said still stands, and knowing your view now, I'm sure you agree with what I'm saying in some sense.

Well i am going to postulate here a bit about why sex wouldn't be promised in heavan.....in a general way......


was not sex for sheer pleasure of frowmed upon at least publicly by the church?
if so why would it be promised in heavan than?


just a simple thought....postulate away

You are missing the point. In those days, the Romans were very open with sex. Many cultures were. Why would someone make up a relgion that specifically demanded that you not have sex outside of marriage, that you not get a divorce and then tells you that you aren't going to have sex in heaven. If I were making up a religion to fool the masses, I would want to say something like "You'll get whatever you will", like Mohammad did. Also, how does the whole adultry / no sex before marriage thing fit into the government controlling people? Wouldn't they be less likely to cause trouble if they were getting lucky all the time? I just don't see any logical basis to claim that the precepts of Christianity were man-made to control the masses. They are too counter-nature to be that appealing on their own. Christianity succeeds not through promises of sex in the afterlife or allowing immorality in life, but because it brings spiritual peace and a heaven about which only a few facts are known, the most important beings: We will live with God.

Spider, WOW!!! You do have a sense of humor

So, why git ticked at the fun you started??

Charlie Chaplin rarely laughed at his own antics... as best as I recall, but he was seriously very funny.

Roll with it and take bigger pieces of em!!! You can do it. You can be humorous!!!

Voila,,,,, you're losing me.

It sounds like your mad at the neo- cortex that makes you think you know what you don't think you don't know when you think you know what you don't know!! Know what I know you don't?

So, by your reasoning, it is suggested to me that man is better off not thinking.

That's non-committal, at best.

How would we argue?

How would we rut in the meadow with the guys?

What would happen to all the cheerleaders?

I think you were reading comic books in the library at lunchtime in High School!!!!

i basically believe religion is man made, looking at the past before christ died, way back when man started using his brain. there have been many huge religions. they last for many thousands of years but then disappear. we have been on this earth for a long time and it always changes, probably not in any of our life times but the future yes.

Spider, with all due respect, my first post in this thread, was answering the OP, the questions asked, and sharing my beliefs.

Although they differ vastly from yours, I respect yours....they are where you choose to be.

CHOOSE being the operative word, and I have no inclination whatsoever, to try and detract you from them.

In all sincerity, I gave my thoughts, and my beliefs, and that is all.

No hidden agendas.