Yeah, could work for a fling ... if the intention is long term, I prefer the guy to make that move. If I had to do that for him, I'm not going to forget. Makes me feel he's a wuss. He'd have to be a real alpha male in order for me to forget that.

What if you find her really not enough attractive and still wishing to enjoy her company as a friend? And yet you could be concerned to tell her cause surely you will hurt her

.. all of the above..lol..
I'll tell you something if I was a girl!!..
No way no how would I let some dude get into my panties !..on the first date..
Nope.. I would make him work for it..
Really make him deserve it... let him know my coochie pie.. is off-limits until he has earned it ... I would make him take me on fancy dinners..
And then play the tease show just enough cleavage and nipple.. to keep his mouth watering.. then promises if he brings me something very sparkly on the next date ..I will give him ..
Ohhh.. yak.. now I just remembered why I'm so glad I'm a dude... I was starting to feel a bit like a..ho ho ho.. for a minute there..lol

...ummm . That's why God invented oral sex.. just go down on her like a friend.. would lol.. problem solved... what!! you never heard of friends helping each other out..lol

you are a unique kind of man to come across.respect to you, why hasn't some lady swept you off this damn site?.men these days want sex as easy as saying hello lol

..well HELLO..wink wink..
Hello..hello... I'm waiting.lol..jk

lol...success rate of this tactical approach is rare in my experience...she normally disappears....so far i never met someone that while refused accept the "friend" status....

lolol...you mean friends with benefits? dunno....never had this experience...my fault probably...i tend to see the things white and black....professional deviation probably

I'm n group B which is my problem. I never find someone who wants to get to know me. It doesn't help that I am very shy in this department and very much a wuss but I have never known anyone long enough or well enough to feel confident to get into the same bedroom. With the passing of time this problem is getting incrementally worse. But to answer the question, I don't think sex is important until you know each other well enough to trust one another.

Now that (the bold) is EXACTLY what dating / relationship experts tell you ...
You give him nothing he hasn't earnt. Nothing. No freebies. If he hasn't earnt it, he don't get it.
So in that sense it doesn't even matter if it's the 1st 2nd 3rd 10th or 20th date. If he hasn't earnt it, tough chit.

Logically speaking you usually don't get to that point before the 3rd date, but I think many women feel that on a 3rd date they're obliged to have sex, because that's the 'done thing'. Bullcr@p!
Logical also dictates that if he has earnt it and you don't... he might split.

Difficult thing is, how does a girl decide when he's earnt it or not? Experts say "enough shared moments" (of importance of course). So not when he's bought you 3 meals or something.

I guess it's mostly fingerspitzen gefuhl... not literally though, lol.

Go for it, Thelma!! It's almost spring, excellent time for love

.. well let me tell you sister..
This Cowboy works hard!! to earn his supper..lol.. yes I know !!back to the woodpile.. with me!... really getting tired of chopping my own wood...
A cowboy's work is never done..lol

yeah...you bet...just i wonder why some women think always they are the best of the best and then they get furious when they realize a man can like them as a person and not as a partner. Sometimes matter of of well overrated selfrespect you think?

lolol....brother after 3 years in Russia i learnt that what common feeling is in the Western world (don't mean geographically but culturally, western for me is Singapore for example)is not common in many other parts of the planet

Singapore wonderful place. Have you ever been in Russia? Where women are the greatest pleasure and punishment for a man? BTW....BC is in my wishlist since i saw this Highway trough Hell show...must be great there....
Anyway..coming back to the topic....i really found hard to understand in different part of the world how the concept of sex for women is different. Fun in North America, bartering exchange in East Europe, authoriation by holy trinity in catholic countries...etc...not generalizing...just based on own made statistics with location experiences. If 9 in ten think one way there is probably a chance the % of the rest will be similar. I guess is matter of not yet multicultured environment. In this sense you north americans are lucky...too many slices of different cultures right at hand...in Europe is still quite rare especially in the south

This is absolutely true. So many men are stuck in a primitive way of looking at women. Thankfully that is less of an issue the older/more mature you get.

Also - when I was younger, I wanted to have kids, and my clock was ticking - so there was all sorts of stress around dating. Now, there's no pressure, and I can just relax and enjoy the person in front of me without playing all these mental scenarios, and have sex if I want to without internalized pressure. I sure wish I had done this back when! :)

See another revelation for me personally is that I believe relationships and people getting married is on the decline but like a dramatic decline. It seems to me that women are pretty stuck up to entertain someone of intelligence and would rather have the fun of the lively lout than pick me. I think that goverments and or trends are just creating a decline whereas I can imagine things like rape etc on the rise because some people who are in a similar boat to me could snap and do something unlawful because what should be a natural near daily event (sex) is rationed and deprived. I am nearly 28 and basically starved of "it" having never done it however I am tough on the inside. I can see how it would break others. All my close friends of similar age, although they have done it, haven't had girlfriends in many years. It always seems that the girls are taken and the guys are single. Has everyone turned Lesbo?

trust me my friend it really depends also where you live. I have been travelling all my life and when you go out in place like eastern europe for example the man-women rate is up to 30%-70%. The problem is not the girls are taken the problem is that the majority (once again not all, i am saying the majority of them) are looking for qualities in aman that are more recently referred to the size of your pocket instead then the size and quality of your goodheart and soul. I am not saying women are like that. I am saying that there is a tendency to look for material benefits from a man rather then feelings. And once again to prevent any critics it really depends from the area of the planet where you are. US is not the world and so is not Russia.
In some countries sex is connected with surviving. I spent last year in Ukraine where beautiful women are just trying to bargain a free passage to UE for sex. That's how low this world is getting.

Quite the eye-opener and good to know if a guy wants to orally please you, he just means to be friends.

Men ... they're just like dogs, aren't they? The only difference is that dogs lick you in the face