That's the heart of it lizardking19.

I refer to it as the 'flatearther' syndrome! Addicted to 'reptilian brain' impulses, and keep forgetying to switch the neo-cortex 'on'.

None of that is such a dilemma for me. I know where I stand. I think some of this may be difficult for others to resolve, which was my point.

As for the advances in human nature, around 600 AD mohammed was attacking caravans and stealing their wealth for the greater glory of mohammed. Now 1400 years later his followers bomb innocent civilians to make their political hay. I would suggest there is more of a need of development there than with those who are trying to protect others from their zealotry and murder.

If your response is to suggest that torture is worse than murder, which can be assumed since your criticism only goes in the one direction then there is not much point in discussing civilization or philosophy, because any criticisms you might have are a fraud.

If you argue that one sort of extremism (murder) does not justify the other kind of extremism (torture), you are talking to the wrong person because I already agree with that. A better course would be to look for a solution to the first. I would suggest that the first problem was the murder, labeled as terrorism, and that the question of torture followed.

Finally I would suggest you find another target for your criticism anyway because as it stands I am quite moderate, and I'm growing a little bored with your continual attacks. I haven't time or temperament for the color of your arguments.

Lizard, you're right I don't do the blogs much, and I know there is a prevalence of the abbreviated typing and poor spelling. That hardly justifies it though. It is not much effort to type things correctly and I just don't think we need a new language quite yet.

One more thing, if you think our means to torture are nastier than in the past, read a little about the middle ages. Burning someone alive hardly rates with exposing them to cold on and off for some period of time. Still I am not trying to justify any sort of torture by this comment.

None of that is such a dilemma for me. I know where I stand. I think some of this may be difficult for others to resolve, which was my point.

As for the advances in human nature, around 600 AD mohammed was attacking caravans and stealing their wealth for the greater glory of mohammed. Now 1400 years later his followers bomb innocent civilians to make their political hay. I would suggest there is more of a need of development there than with those who are trying to protect others from their zealotry and murder.

If your response is to suggest that torture is worse than murder, which can be assumed since your criticism only goes in the one direction then there is not much point in discussing civilization or philosophy, because any criticisms you might have are a fraud.

If you argue that one sort of extremism (murder) does not justify the other kind of extremism (torture), you are talking to the wrong person because I already agree with that. A better course would be to look for a solution to the first. I would suggest that the first problem was the murder, labeled as terrorism, and that the question of torture followed.

Finally I would suggest you find another target for your criticism anyway because as it stands I am quite moderate, and I'm growing a little bored with your continual attacks. I haven't time or temperament for the color of your arguments.

Lizard, you're right I don't do the blogs much, and I know there is a prevalence of the abbreviated typing and poor spelling. That hardly justifies it though. It is not much effort to type things correctly and I just don't think we need a new language quite yet.

One more thing, if you think our means to torture are nastier than in the past, read a little about the middle ages. Burning someone alive hardly rates with exposing them to cold on and off for some period of time. Still I am not trying to justify any sort of torture by this comment.

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'philosopher',

"... None of that is such a dilemma for me..."

Then I am very happy to agree with you that you brought this perfectly incoherent 'dilemma' between torture and terrorism for no reason!

You had an intellectual flatulence, and I forgive you for it. It happens!

It reeked! and it was a perfect 'off-topic' waste of time, since it isn't a dilemma for you as you say in your latest post!

... So, we are all ready to get back on topic: 'US violations of internatioanl laws'!

And about this comment:
"... Finally I would suggest you find another target for your criticism anyway because as it stands I am quite moderate, and I'm growing a little bored with your continual attacks. I haven't time or temperament for the color of your arguments..."

Don't flatter yourself 'philosopher', you are no target of mine!

And I certainly don't 'attack' pictures of t-shirt and baseball cap!!! I don't know you remember!

I address points that sometimes 'YOU' happen to make, as I do with numerous othe posters, and others posters do with me.

When I agree with the position, I support it and contribute my angle. When I disagree, I give some thought to a counter argument, and CONTRIBUTE that!!! When I read a half-baked, and confused statement, I point it out!

Either way, it's a game of addressing an replying to the commnents and positions of a wide variety of anonymous 'posters'.

It's called 'debating' in a public forum!

If you are not prepared to debate: have your comments either agreed with or disagreed with, don't post on a debating forum.

If you are prepared to debate, then rejoice in having debaters agree, or disagree with you. Period!

With all due respect 'philosopher', look forward to our next debate!

Give it a rest and don't be rude.

torture the sob's if thats what needs to be done. they are not uniformed soldiers anyway and therefore do not fall under the geneva conventions as pow's. they are enemy combatants and have far fewer rights than pows. I have been over there and I would much rather fight that war over there than right here with my family and friends suffering the consequences of that. its funny how the media portrays the side of the ENEMY and not the truth. anyway, you have the freedom to think what you want to think and say what you want to say. just be carefull what you wish for. otherwise you'll end up praying to mecca five times a day wondering if maybe we should "talk" a little more.

that about sums it all up. good job.

they are the HATED ENEMY. Who cares whether or not we might hurt thier feelings? Id gladly shoot all of them myself. Id even bring my own bullets. Get with THE HOME TEAM or move. ..

has it ever occurred 2 u that attitudes like urs r the reason so many poeple including the ones our country is torturing hate americans and our ways of life?

lizardking,

They might hate Americans anyway,
torture or no torture.

It all depends upon their motivation.

The roots of Al Qaeda stem from the
War in Afghanistan.

They didn't like the fact that the
U.S. supported them against the Russians,
then pulled out their support.

Not that it justifies their hatred
of all Americans, some who weren't
even born at that time.

But whatever the reasons or motivations,
occupying Iraq drew Al Qaeda from other
countries.

I don't think this was by design or
what was intended to happen.

The neo-cons, in their arrogance
and stupidity, thought that the
people of Iraq would hail American
troops as liberators.

They were wrong.

Taking the focus off Afghanistan
was one of the worst foreign
policy blunders in history.

The neo-cons created a monster,
with large numbers of Al Qaeda
members from outside the country
joining the insurgency in a holy
war against the occupation.

And they won't leave.

This is creating havoc,
with large numbers of refugees
fleeing the country to neighboring
countries such as Syria.

This is becoming a big problem
for those countries in trying
to care for all those refugees.

And now the neo-cons want to make
another profoundly stupid mistake
and invade Iran.

If that happens, and the neo-cons
get their fondest wet-dream war wish,
all hell is going to break loose.

But maybe that is what they want.
the

i dont care what they think of me there the ENEMY.

man u just proved my theory of world politics as mass codependancy
it takes 2 2 fuel such hatreds

we are at war and your looking for warm fuzzies????? ya might wanna give that some thought.

as for your theory, its spot on accurate.

and its fueled by attitudes like urs

"Dingdingding give the man a cigar!!!!"

You guys, calm DOWN! The guy who ordered the prisoners in Abu Graib tortured is a liberal and hates Bush, so it's okay. It's okay.

it's ok?

bl8ant,

"it's ok? "

Yes, it's okay. We determined that yesterday.

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/44743

so you are the NEW WORLD ORDER of authority????


i know you answered tongue in cheek, with a note of sarcasm...lol


but honestly, the extreme negativity of gloom and doom is really counter productive to eliminating fear and insuring that people act with a clean ground of being in their motives for 'believing' this way or that....sigh