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Basha if you're in Baltimore don't worry...i'll come & rescue you from there honey
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During the curfew all street level drug dealing got pushed indoors. Once the curfew was lifted, dealers found out someone else was trying to take their corner and so you have a lot of shootings to re-establish territory. You also likely have some 'payback' for arsons/looting done as a perceived 'diss' or disrespectful move between gangs. While publicly the gangs claimed to have invoked a peace treaty, it's not something gangs are normally proactive about entering into. They usually happen only after a high profile shooting or gang melee. Finally, there has been a publicly acknowledged work slowdown by cops. They are not stopping & frisking, talking to old ladies who know what's happening at 2:00 am on the block, and only answering 911 calls. So, the thugs have a hall pass for now to shoot and loot. Personally, I say you evacuate the women and children and drone strike the known gang buildings/businesses. or replace the police with unemployed who are interested in doing their jobs.. oh boo hoo, we cant shoot and killed unarmed people anymore so we just wont do anything,,,,,just as pathetic as wanting 15 dollars an hour to flip a burger,,,, Since when are the unemployed interested in jobs? How long would that last? I mean, it's an actual JOB..... um,.. since it takes MONEY to eat and live,, unemployed have been interested in jobs,,,, what kind of question is that? My question IS....Why aren't they working if they are so interested in jobs? Why are they living off of handouts from the government? Why? Explain that...because it IS a problem. because 'working' isnt like going out and pulling a leaf off of the tree it is a PROCESS to become employed,,and until the time of such employment,, one is considered unemployed since there are hundreds of apps to any given job, that leaves HUNDREDS that have to continue looking ,, ie being 'unemployed' until an EMPLOYER finds them a BEST fit for the opening There are also disqualifiers. Felony convictions... Drug use.. lack of basic reading and math skills.. Let us not pretend that the reason people can't get jobs is because there are 100 applications for every one. I just looked at Indeed and there are 34,700 jobs within 25 miles of Baltimore listed.. I would think that anyone who really really wanted to work could find something if they met the basic hiring standards.. also, if they don't have any ID, they won't be able to get a job either...they can vote, but not get a job... I guess they haven't given jobs the special status of being considered a 'right'..... it isn't as important as other things like gay marriage and free healthcare.. any statistics on how many unemployed have records, Or are we just throwing out tangents to further villify and blame the jobless,,? try as one may to keep disparaging people for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, its a decision for employers and they dont hire everyone who applies,,,, Men with criminal records account for about 34 percent of all nonworking men ages 25 to 54, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News/Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/business/out-of-trouble-but-criminal-records-keep-men-out-of-work.html?_r=0 Read the entire article and then come back and tell me that I am throwing out a tangent to vilify people. You may not like it, but it's a fact. |
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Basha if you're in Baltimore don't worry...i'll come & rescue you from there honey
I'm not in Baltimore, but you can come rescue me anyway....honey!.... 
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Basha if you're in Baltimore don't worry...i'll come & rescue you from there honey
I'm not in Baltimore, but you can come rescue me anyway....honey!....
 
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 06/05/15 10:57 AM
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During the curfew all street level drug dealing got pushed indoors. Once the curfew was lifted, dealers found out someone else was trying to take their corner and so you have a lot of shootings to re-establish territory. You also likely have some 'payback' for arsons/looting done as a perceived 'diss' or disrespectful move between gangs. While publicly the gangs claimed to have invoked a peace treaty, it's not something gangs are normally proactive about entering into. They usually happen only after a high profile shooting or gang melee. Finally, there has been a publicly acknowledged work slowdown by cops. They are not stopping & frisking, talking to old ladies who know what's happening at 2:00 am on the block, and only answering 911 calls. So, the thugs have a hall pass for now to shoot and loot. Personally, I say you evacuate the women and children and drone strike the known gang buildings/businesses. or replace the police with unemployed who are interested in doing their jobs.. oh boo hoo, we cant shoot and killed unarmed people anymore so we just wont do anything,,,,,just as pathetic as wanting 15 dollars an hour to flip a burger,,,, Since when are the unemployed interested in jobs? How long would that last? I mean, it's an actual JOB..... um,.. since it takes MONEY to eat and live,, unemployed have been interested in jobs,,,, what kind of question is that? My question IS....Why aren't they working if they are so interested in jobs? Why are they living off of handouts from the government? Why? Explain that...because it IS a problem. because 'working' isnt like going out and pulling a leaf off of the tree it is a PROCESS to become employed,,and until the time of such employment,, one is considered unemployed since there are hundreds of apps to any given job, that leaves HUNDREDS that have to continue looking ,, ie being 'unemployed' until an EMPLOYER finds them a BEST fit for the opening There are also disqualifiers. Felony convictions... Drug use.. lack of basic reading and math skills.. Let us not pretend that the reason people can't get jobs is because there are 100 applications for every one. I just looked at Indeed and there are 34,700 jobs within 25 miles of Baltimore listed.. I would think that anyone who really really wanted to work could find something if they met the basic hiring standards.. also, if they don't have any ID, they won't be able to get a job either...they can vote, but not get a job... I guess they haven't given jobs the special status of being considered a 'right'..... it isn't as important as other things like gay marriage and free healthcare.. any statistics on how many unemployed have records, Or are we just throwing out tangents to further villify and blame the jobless,,? try as one may to keep disparaging people for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, its a decision for employers and they dont hire everyone who applies,,,, Men with criminal records account for about 34 percent of all nonworking men ages 25 to 54, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News/Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/business/out-of-trouble-but-criminal-records-keep-men-out-of-work.html?_r=0 Read the entire article and then come back and tell me that I am throwing out a tangent to vilify people. You may not like it, but it's a fact. that leaves 66 percent (of the men in a certain age range, not even of all unemployed),, and still doesnt have anything to do with whether people who are unemployed 'want' jobs which was the original argument posed simply because I suggested they should look to unemployed people to fill the jobs of cops who dont want to do their own |
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'. good grief!!! no kidding, but even then it takes some TIME , during which those are still UNEMPLOYED and not able to just 'get a job' despite whether they want one or not |
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good grief!!!
Well.....you may have a point.....jobs ARE scarce in that city.....under Democratic control for several decades now, go figure.
no kidding, but even then it takes some TIME , during which those are still UNEMPLOYED and not able to just 'get a job' despite whether they want one or not |
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'. good grief!!! no kidding, but even then it takes some TIME , during which those are still UNEMPLOYED and not able to just 'get a job' despite whether they want one or not I think a "not hiring felons policy" is not fair and a form of discrimination. If they pay for the crime and do the time they should have the same opportunity as anyone for employment. But, permanent assistance takes the "want to" out of looking for a job. |
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During the curfew all street level drug dealing got pushed indoors. Once the curfew was lifted, dealers found out someone else was trying to take their corner and so you have a lot of shootings to re-establish territory. You also likely have some 'payback' for arsons/looting done as a perceived 'diss' or disrespectful move between gangs. While publicly the gangs claimed to have invoked a peace treaty, it's not something gangs are normally proactive about entering into. They usually happen only after a high profile shooting or gang melee. Finally, there has been a publicly acknowledged work slowdown by cops. They are not stopping & frisking, talking to old ladies who know what's happening at 2:00 am on the block, and only answering 911 calls. So, the thugs have a hall pass for now to shoot and loot. Personally, I say you evacuate the women and children and drone strike the known gang buildings/businesses. or replace the police with unemployed who are interested in doing their jobs.. oh boo hoo, we cant shoot and killed unarmed people anymore so we just wont do anything,,,,,just as pathetic as wanting 15 dollars an hour to flip a burger,,,, Since when are the unemployed interested in jobs? How long would that last? I mean, it's an actual JOB..... um,.. since it takes MONEY to eat and live,, unemployed have been interested in jobs,,,, what kind of question is that? My question IS....Why aren't they working if they are so interested in jobs? Why are they living off of handouts from the government? Why? Explain that...because it IS a problem. because 'working' isnt like going out and pulling a leaf off of the tree it is a PROCESS to become employed,,and until the time of such employment,, one is considered unemployed since there are hundreds of apps to any given job, that leaves HUNDREDS that have to continue looking ,, ie being 'unemployed' until an EMPLOYER finds them a BEST fit for the opening There are also disqualifiers. Felony convictions... Drug use.. lack of basic reading and math skills.. Let us not pretend that the reason people can't get jobs is because there are 100 applications for every one. I just looked at Indeed and there are 34,700 jobs within 25 miles of Baltimore listed.. I would think that anyone who really really wanted to work could find something if they met the basic hiring standards.. also, if they don't have any ID, they won't be able to get a job either...they can vote, but not get a job... I guess they haven't given jobs the special status of being considered a 'right'..... it isn't as important as other things like gay marriage and free healthcare.. any statistics on how many unemployed have records, Or are we just throwing out tangents to further villify and blame the jobless,,? try as one may to keep disparaging people for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, its a decision for employers and they dont hire everyone who applies,,,, Men with criminal records account for about 34 percent of all nonworking men ages 25 to 54, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News/Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/business/out-of-trouble-but-criminal-records-keep-men-out-of-work.html?_r=0 Read the entire article and then come back and tell me that I am throwing out a tangent to vilify people. You may not like it, but it's a fact. that leaves 66 percent (of the men in a certain age range, not even of all unemployed),, and still doesnt have anything to do with whether people who are unemployed 'want' jobs which was the original argument posed simply because I suggested they should look to unemployed people to fill the jobs of cops who dont want to do their own I never said that every single unemployed person had a criminal record. I said that a criminal record can disqualify people from jobs. |
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I consider it foolish to suggest that unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed.
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I consider it foolish to suggest that unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed. How about, would you consider it also foolish to suggest that some unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed? 
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I consider it foolish to suggest that unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed. How about, would you consider it also foolish to suggest that some unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed?
Haha! |
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I consider it foolish to suggest that unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed. How about, would you consider it also foolish to suggest that some unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed?
of course some don't,, some EMPLOYED people don't want to be employed but it still distracts from the original suggestion of turning to unemployed to fill police jobs if they don't want to do them,,,, |
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I consider it foolish to suggest that unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed. How about, would you consider it also foolish to suggest that some unemployed adults in Baltimore want to be unemployed?
of course some don't,, some EMPLOYED people don't want to be employed but it still distracts from the original suggestion of turning to unemployed to fill police jobs if they don't want to do them,,,, There are 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers now serving in the United States; one of them is killed in the line of duty every two days. I'm sure there would be a long line of applicants.
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'. 
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'.
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Edited by
sweetestgirl11
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Sat 06/06/15 09:27 AM
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try as one may to keep disparaging people
Well....there is that whole "not committing crimes so you have no record" thing......AND the whole "exercising some personal initiative and improving your education and skill set" thing so your own credentials improve.
for daring to not 'have a job',,,, it doesn't change the fact that people have to be the BEST candidate,, and whether they aren't because someone else applying has more impressive credentials or because they have a record,, doesn't change the fact that 'having a job' isn't something that is solely under the control of those seeking work,, Those two things ARE under control of "those seeking work'. good grief!!! no kidding, but even then it takes some TIME , during which those are still UNEMPLOYED and not able to just 'get a job' despite whether they want one or not it can be hard to find work Harmony, but there is work. The only people who really have an excuse to be chronically unemployed are the legally disabled AND I don;t mind paying tax to help THEM. No one is being realistic if they are waiting around for the ideal job. It is also not realistic to expect the chronically unemployed to be officers unless they are trained and have clean back grounds. Someone who can't work because they don't have ID needs to go back to their country and enter legally or get a work permit. Even non drivers can get a state ID for a nominal fee. We all know what happens. The states are paying some of these folk too much because unemployment is paying more or close to what they'd earn if they worked....so they rent a 2-3 bedroom place, split the rent and live off their checks and maybe some drug money. (I'm not stupid). This would be OK as far as I am concerned EXCEPT that I am paying for it....no it is being EXTORTED from me in the form of taxes that are SO high I can barely afford them myself. And the drugs are illegal ... so the chance of these types of individuals being police? It's not realistic. I was in that position once where my unemployment was equal to what I earned at a new job (after subtracting out mileage and a clothing allowance). But I took the job. Certainly there are some who fit your profile of a good community cop. Those folk need go apply....no one is going to "find them a job"....if someone is not working their "job" is to go find one Either some really do prefer unemployment or they are not keeping their appointments at the local job bank |
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this thread was not about unemployed people
I concede that not ALL unemployed people want to work (as I said, not all employed people want to either), that some may be lazy or 'chronically' unemployed but none of that really has much to do with the point of opening up the positions of those cops who don't wish to do their jobs to those who are unemployed and in need of and wanting work |
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Perhaps Baltimore can become the home of ...
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