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Topic: Riots and looting in Baltimore
2OLD2MESSAROUND Joined Mon 04/13/15 Posts: 1661	Thu 04/30/15 08:08 AM Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Thu 04/30/15 08:10 AM
2old2 stated >>> Ever since 'Ferguson, MO' and that sorry arsed situation and the officer got off scott-free {loads of misconduct in that grand jury process over there} the nation is aware of how our law enforcement is abusing our minorities and getting away with this crap; and the 'WORD' spreads and so does the support for protesting! I don't want to pretend to understand the 'MOB' mentality that exudes into those humans that become so incited that they'll destroy their own grocery stores/pharmacies/local establishments but if we have allowed our college students this ability to react this way after sporting events and we don't STOP THEM --- well for someone my age --- I find it all MIND BLOWING! My college days we never would have thought to have behaved in such a horrid manner and even in my 'Viet Nam' protest march era---we weren't the ones attacking/spitting on anyone --- it was the upper classmen/super rich/upper echelon of my society; standing along the side lines calling us 'STINKING HIPPIES' that threw rotten eggs/fruit at us...when we marched and protested to STOP THE WAR! A cousin was shot in the back at Kent State by the National Guard...and they tried to cover that up; told my aunt & uncle that they could claim her body but they wouldn't be allowed to 'VIEW' her; they sent the coffin back SEALED and my uncle had in 'UNSEALED' and found her wounds! The police report and the National Guard report all lied about her wounds --- I LOVE MY COUNTRY - BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT tomato86 stated >>> its not just minorities, cops are unfair with everyone. they have quotas to meet, they dont care what color you are. the issue here is not race, its psychotic police. go on youtube and watch some police brutality videos, trust me they do the same thing to white people and i have actually seen it before with my own eyes. and felt it too. lets just say i got arrested for a minor summary offense, they took me to city hall to where the cells are, punched me in the back of the head 3 times and maced me while i was handcuffed then took the cuffs of me and threw me in the cell. my eyes were burning for hours. trust me they dont care what color you are. but try telling that to a judge and see how far it gets you, unless you have multiple witnesses a judge will never believe you over a cop. and even if you have multiple witnesses theres still no guarantee. the problem here is not race, its out of control cops who have no boundaries on what theyre allowed to do. bashajones stated >>> This represents an extremely small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. I suppose you think all Catholic priests are child molesters, too? Ohhhh, that was a really bad idea to try to pull an example from; the primary reason that there were so many pedophiles/child molesters in the Catholic Faith was the ability to 'HIDE BEHIND THE PREIST ROBE' and the way that the hierarchy just relocated the perps around to another location and never reported them! BTW --- since law enforcement is expected to 'SELF-MONITOR/SELF-REPORT'; no one has any firm data on how much abuse/deaths occur within the police/sheriffs department nationwide --- but there was an attempt made to find out >>> from page#6 discussion with RebalArcher... DOJ - Request A IAPC Report: Police abuse is a problem that'��s often politically complicated for the Justice Department to highlight, Karakatsanis says, because of its inherent conflict of interest in working with state and local law enforcement. As he says, To view DOJ as a beacon of accountability is not correct. They depend on these cops to make arrests. All these local cops are part of DOJ-led federal task forces.�� Reliable data on police abuse is almost impossible to come by, and here too the federal government has failed to step up. In response to public outrage after the 1991 Rodney King beating, Congress passed a 1994 law that mandated an annual report on police violence. At the Justice Department'��s request, the International Association of Police Chiefs (IAPC) conducted a pilot study. But according to John Firman, director of development of the IAPC, after a year the Justice Department shut it down after only 600 out of about 18,000 police departments in the country reported back. The law had no means of forcing cooperation, Firman added. Oh --- Hell...that BLUE CODE OF SILENCE, just to difficult to crack open!

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:08 AM
why is that all you see everyday on the news is people getting gunned down by cops? if its such a small percentage it wouldnt be happening EVERY DAY. since the iraq and ahfganistan wars started theres been almost just as many people killed by police in this country than soldiers killed in those wars, so you really think its a small percentage? look at the statistics of how many people die at the hands of cops in this country. that is whats ridiculous because it shouldnt happen at all. out tax dollars pay these guys salary to ptotect us, and instead they just do whatever they feel like. no innocent person should ever die at the hands of a cop, cops should be held to way higher of a standard than the average citizen. but instead they run around like thugs with badges because they know they can get away with it. because who is going to investigate it? other police! These statistics? They don't prove your point any more than you do... hahahaha really, it seeems like you just proved my point for me. why did that many people die at the hands of cops in 1 year if its such a "small percentage". 992 deaths by police in 1 year. yes u just proved my point for me thank you for posting that. and you gotta love how the media makes it seem like only black people get killed by cops but yet theres more white people killed by cops than black people. way to go MSM. LOL...Do you have any clue how many people are in the US? And how many cops?.....Use your common sense. This is an extremely small percentage. If you support the looting and rioting that is going on, I'm sorry, but you are very misguided. Maybe you've gotten in too much trouble with the cops and have a grudge? I don't know, and I really don't care. I just know that your argument is lacking... so who should we really be afraid of? you can defend the scum all you want but the stats dont lie. I feel sorry for you if you have this attitude. You just better hope you don't need an officer some day. I don't know what you're gonna do? I hope you own a gun. You're gonna need one. well for sure the last thing i will do is call the police. more stats for ya

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:10 AM Edited by tomato86 on Thu 04/30/15 08:12 AM
if thats not protecting i dont know what is! they beat that guy for 15 minutes not knowing they were on camera, the whole time this guy is screaming for his dad and pleading with them to stop. while they held him down and did that to him. great job fuzz

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:13 AM
^ thats our tax dollars hard at work!

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:22 AM
more cops, protecting the people.

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:25 AM
if thats not protecting i dont know what is! they beat that guy for 15 minutes not knowing they were on camera, the whole time this guy is screaming for his dad and pleading with them to stop. while they held him down and did that to him. great job fuzz kind of alot of pictures of something that so rarely happens!

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 08:37 AM
funny, but sadly all too true. This is ridiculous. This does not describe cops at all....C'mon... maybe its ridiculous to you, seems like reality to me. thats a funny pic but trust me im sure theres some cops out there that actually think like that. like the 8 cops that beat a homeless schizophrenic man to death on camera for 15 mintues? all while hes screaming for his dad as theyre holding him down beating him to death. please lady you got too much faith in cops. cops are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. or then theres the homeless who cops gunned down with an assault rifle as he turned away from them because he had a pocket knife in his hand. they shot him multiple times with an assault rifle, then shot him with bean bags and then let a police dog attack his dead body, all on camera. so how ridiculous is it? This is ridiculous because it represents a small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. That doesn't mean they are all bad. Cops are a necessary part of society (and believe me, I've had a few run-ins with cops)... so your logic would say that guys raping girls isnt a problem, because most guys are "good" guys? good arguement!

bashajones Joined Fri 08/08/14 Posts: 7943	Thu 04/30/15 08:51 AM
funny, but sadly all too true. This is ridiculous. This does not describe cops at all....C'mon... maybe its ridiculous to you, seems like reality to me. thats a funny pic but trust me im sure theres some cops out there that actually think like that. like the 8 cops that beat a homeless schizophrenic man to death on camera for 15 mintues? all while hes screaming for his dad as theyre holding him down beating him to death. please lady you got too much faith in cops. cops are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. or then theres the homeless who cops gunned down with an assault rifle as he turned away from them because he had a pocket knife in his hand. they shot him multiple times with an assault rifle, then shot him with bean bags and then let a police dog attack his dead body, all on camera. so how ridiculous is it? This is ridiculous because it represents a small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. That doesn't mean they are all bad. Cops are a necessary part of society (and believe me, I've had a few run-ins with cops)... so your logic would say that guys raping girls isnt a problem, because most guys are "good" guys? good arguement! What is wrong with you?...lol Of course rape is a problem. There are rapists in society. But, the majority of men are NOT rapists. Are you a rapist? You make no sense. I suppose you think all Catholic priests are child molesters?...lol

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 09:18 AM
funny, but sadly all too true. This is ridiculous. This does not describe cops at all....C'mon... maybe its ridiculous to you, seems like reality to me. thats a funny pic but trust me im sure theres some cops out there that actually think like that. like the 8 cops that beat a homeless schizophrenic man to death on camera for 15 mintues? all while hes screaming for his dad as theyre holding him down beating him to death. please lady you got too much faith in cops. cops are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. or then theres the homeless who cops gunned down with an assault rifle as he turned away from them because he had a pocket knife in his hand. they shot him multiple times with an assault rifle, then shot him with bean bags and then let a police dog attack his dead body, all on camera. so how ridiculous is it? This is ridiculous because it represents a small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. That doesn't mean they are all bad. Cops are a necessary part of society (and believe me, I've had a few run-ins with cops)... so your logic would say that guys raping girls isnt a problem, because most guys are "good" guys? good arguement! What is wrong with you?...lol Of course rape is a problem. There are rapists in society. But, the majority of men are NOT rapists. Are you a rapist? You make no sense. I suppose you think all Catholic priests are child molesters?...lol some of them are yes. but we dont pay priests's salary with our tax dollars to protect us.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Thu 04/30/15 09:22 AM
funny, but sadly all too true. This is ridiculous. This does not describe cops at all....C'mon... maybe its ridiculous to you, seems like reality to me. thats a funny pic but trust me im sure theres some cops out there that actually think like that. like the 8 cops that beat a homeless schizophrenic man to death on camera for 15 mintues? all while hes screaming for his dad as theyre holding him down beating him to death. please lady you got too much faith in cops. cops are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. or then theres the homeless who cops gunned down with an assault rifle as he turned away from them because he had a pocket knife in his hand. they shot him multiple times with an assault rifle, then shot him with bean bags and then let a police dog attack his dead body, all on camera. so how ridiculous is it? This is ridiculous because it represents a small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. That doesn't mean they are all bad. Cops are a necessary part of society (and believe me, I've had a few run-ins with cops)... so your logic would say that guys raping girls isnt a problem, because most guys are "good" guys? good arguement! What is wrong with you?...lol Of course rape is a problem. There are rapists in society. But, the majority of men are NOT rapists. Are you a rapist? You make no sense. I suppose you think all Catholic priests are child molesters?...lol some of them are yes. but we dont pay priests's salary with our tax dollars to protect us. how do cops protect you?

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 09:24 AM
funny, but sadly all too true. This is ridiculous. This does not describe cops at all....C'mon... maybe its ridiculous to you, seems like reality to me. thats a funny pic but trust me im sure theres some cops out there that actually think like that. like the 8 cops that beat a homeless schizophrenic man to death on camera for 15 mintues? all while hes screaming for his dad as theyre holding him down beating him to death. please lady you got too much faith in cops. cops are the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. or then theres the homeless who cops gunned down with an assault rifle as he turned away from them because he had a pocket knife in his hand. they shot him multiple times with an assault rifle, then shot him with bean bags and then let a police dog attack his dead body, all on camera. so how ridiculous is it? This is ridiculous because it represents a small percentage of cops. There are bad people in every profession. That doesn't mean they are all bad. Cops are a necessary part of society (and believe me, I've had a few run-ins with cops)... so your logic would say that guys raping girls isnt a problem, because most guys are "good" guys? good arguement! What is wrong with you?...lol Of course rape is a problem. There are rapists in society. But, the majority of men are NOT rapists. Are you a rapist? You make no sense. I suppose you think all Catholic priests are child molesters?...lol some of them are yes. but we dont pay priests's salary with our tax dollars to protect us. how do cops protect you? they dont, they do the opposite, thats the issue. now theyre all gettin miltary hardware an vehicles. maybe now they will be able to keep us safe with their machine guns and tanks!

tomato86 Joined Sat 02/14/15 Posts: 1410	Thu 04/30/15 09:32 AM
bashajones seems to be living under a rock. its no big deal that police murder people everyday because it "such a small percentage". and not just murder, they beat, falsely arrest pretty much whatever they want. thats the sad sad truth.

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Thu 04/30/15 10:38 AM Edited by mom333 on Thu 04/30/15 10:47 AM
mom333 stated >>> that is exactly what happening and yes I live in England but I can send my son to the shops knowing he will come back home safe, and what I fear for him is peadoes and murders etc. not a thug copper beating him to death because he has a load of sweets and money on him. my neighbours who are white and good friends of mine can let their girl who is obviously white and my girl go round the block with there bikes in the summer without the coppers coming up to them because they have nice bikes. its not perfect here at all and things happen not like in America but they do, but if a copper here tried to beat someone to death of any colour just because well just because people here would go ballistic. and yes there might be some looting of all colours well lets face it everyone loves a free tv. but it would not be acceptable to do that to anybody. and if people here stood up to that kind of treatment you can bet they wouldn't be shunned. everyone knows the government is corrupt, well everyone should know. They lie and do things they shouldn't just like a certain man and a cigar. they are human and flawed like the rest of us, they are not sent from above they are merely mortal like us. hence they can break the rules like us. the difference is they shouldn't lie and treat people bad and break the rules and im including the police in this too, because they took an oath to protect all and serve in the best interests of you. not watch you hate each other and do nothing. the one thing in the whole mess is you are all citizens of a country you hold dear and its not because of the government its because of the citizens in it, whether your from Timbuktu or Spain if you live in America and have made a life there you should be left alone there until you commit a crime there and if your being treated bad there your views should be listened to there because your supposed to be important there. so instead of hating each other because the government says you should you should get along and look out for each other because you cant trust the government to look out for you and to have your best interests at heart. you can gang up on me if you want to but I am someone looking in from the outside, and sometimes an outside view is a good thing. While I enjoy reading your posts and your input here is of value; we need everyone's insight into our nations mess...I wonder about the differences though between England and America! And correct me, PLEASE! A.) we might have camera's on our police officers {but not all have those body cams} B.) England has a plethora of PUBLIC STATIONED video camera's linked into a recording system so that at any given incident a 'play back' can be obtained - so the officers/citizens know that there is an excellent chance that they are being recorded by their government C. We have a weapon for every human {or if not every human 4x's per ownership} and England does not D. Incidents of violent crimes has never been the same between England's records/data and Americas --- WE EXCEL AT KILLING *********************** My generation {circa 50's - 60's} childhood days isn't what these young children have to deal with; granted I didn't grow up in an inner city like Baltimore {lived all my life rural America} but England hasn't changed much since your parents age or your grand parents age has it? im so glad I live in England now and not when my dad first came here, the racism was so bad they had cards in the windows of the b&bs saying no Irish no dogs no niggers. in that order. he was spat at and told to go back home, even though it England (the government) saying come over we have jobs for you. certain pubs would not allow him in etc. if that happened in the uk today well it don't. mixed marriages here are commonplace and in my particular neighbourhood and in many others well all really, black and white stand together, even in gangs who rob and do all sorts even they are mixed lol. the ones that are still outwardly racist are the older generation. its so good here I actually for the first time when I took my kids to the park saw a little OLD Chinese woman and a black man together arm in arm they were married, he wasn't trying to rob her lol. they smiled at me when I walked past them they looked so cute. my street has all sorts of races and we get on just fine especially when we have sales here at the local sports hall and everyone is down there looking for a bargain lol. it sounds ideal and it is. there are lots of thugs in the uk we call them chavs because they wear the customary knock of sports clothes you can tell because they nearly always have a hole where the tag used to be before they ripped it out lol. when they get arrested they get arrested for a REASON. even when you see someone get stopped in the street and taken away of any race you just know they have done something because they never run lol. in the betting shop its black white Indian Pakistani Muslim Chinese Turkish white and polish loosing all their money and smoking pot whilst drinking cheap cider lol. I can go out with the kids and know my Chinese neighbours will watch my house (I don't get on with the other side lol.) the only thing is people are fearful of Muslims now because of all the things that has and is going on which is understandable. when black kids don't do well in school here its because there lazy and smoking pot and in gangs not because they are treated bad. a black woman was in the post office not so long ago showing of on the phone because she had just bought her house. the police are corrupt here but they have to watch their back because they cant just get away with stuff like that. there is no reason to get involved with the police here if you don't need to. I was in a van with a friend me and another black man and he was driving to fast, the police stopped us and told him of and then went. I was panicking because I've never been stopped by police, oh I lied once when one I know asked about my son who has Asperger's because we had talked before about him not getting a school yet, and how the school system let him down etc and were there for ages chatting. you cant have a gun here unless the police come to your home and check that it would be kept safe and secure and your not a head case. England is not the best country but I have to say im proud to be English, if you make your life here and don't keep yourself to yourself and integrate with your fellow neighbours your English full stop. if you get punched in the face here its because your a twat not because I don't like your colour lol. football season you get the larger louts saying and being aggressive but if you can hold your own you will be ok and will just walk away with a black eye. when there is a killing of a young person its 50/50 gang related, not because the media says but because (we all know here the news is full of crap,) but because there is nearly always a history of gang related issues surrounding the person in question. here we poke fun at all races now that's what you call equal opportunities lol nobody gets left out lol. its not perfect but if your getting robbed in the street you can guarantee you will have your wallet pinched but they will call the ambulance for you lol. its not perfect but by eck its England.

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Thu 04/30/15 11:04 AM
oh and the politicians here we know they are all twats who don't keep promises and are out for there own gain, one of them was in the paper because he has 4 kitchens in his house people weren't happy with that. and Nigel farage he is a total racist politician he was on this show with this white couple who just made him look a knob lol. some like him though because they blame immigrants for everything. I like some of his views like not making nurses train at uni just nurses college and stuff like that.

2OLD2MESSAROUND Joined Mon 04/13/15 Posts: 1661	Thu 04/30/15 11:20 AM
TY - Mom333; that was very interesting...not often we get a birds eye view of what it's like to be right there on the inside 'day-to-day' events of a foreign country! Sure the media gives us a POV but it's often stilted and biased about one side or the other...so TY for your post!

tealbreeze Joined Sun 02/08/15 Posts: 2279	Thu 04/30/15 11:31 AM
Peaceful protest planned in Milw for man that was killed by police officer who was fired for it.

2OLD2MESSAROUND Joined Mon 04/13/15 Posts: 1661	Thu 04/30/15 12:05 PM
tealbreeze stated >>> Peaceful protest planned in Milw for man that was killed by police officer who was fired for it. Well, I'll hope for all concerned that it stays that way - 'peaceful'; enough with the property damage and people getting hurt!

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Thu 04/30/15 12:13 PM
TY - Mom333; that was very interesting...not often we get a birds eye view of what it's like to be right there on the inside 'day-to-day' events of a foreign country! Sure the media gives us a POV but it's often stilted and biased about one side or the other...so TY for your post! right back at you

tealbreeze Joined Sun 02/08/15 Posts: 2279	Thu 04/30/15 12:21 PM
tealbreeze stated >>> Peaceful protest planned in Milw for man that was killed by police officer who was fired for it. Well, I'll hope for all concerned that it stays that way - 'peaceful'; enough with the property damage and people getting hurt! It is today, a year anniversary. The victim, wrestled away the police officers baton and hit the officer with it. National Guard called up in response to Milwaukee protest over police violence <<<<This WAS a violent protest on Dec, 19, 2014.

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