all you are revealing is how a guy can get a date with a Nun ..that's why Nuns have to take vows and give up certain things so that their heart is only to Christ ....the average Man or Woman cannot function in society with their heart and all their energy focus on Jesus

There is an explanation to everything and religion is just an old myth that keeps haunting some people with no answers to life problems and life in general .

you just believe that then.....explain in then......Usually when cancer comes back it attacks with a vegence....and most don't make it.....This was riddled into her whole body......there is only one explanation sweets and that was God using Kitt to show the miracles that only He can do. Everything that the Lord spoke to me....I spoke to Kitt and everything to the last detail came true.....so you believe as you wish and I will do the same....have a nice life.

abra said,

Like I say, if you want to worship the bible I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Not one iota. The problem is that you've chosen to support a religion that claims that all other religions are a farce.


Christians do not worship a collection of writings that were penned by witnesses to historical truthes that were preserved for posterity.

Christians worship in spirit and truth the God of Creation , not that which has been preserved for every generation to draw from.

Nor is there a problem. God is not a religion and never was.

Religion according to the Holy Bible is not vain in visiting upon the lack of the underprivileged and less fortunate and in keeping oneself from profiting by such lack; and not the worship of God that gives all life.

But then any other religious practice other than that identified as pleasing God could very well be a farce of extremely vain intents.

We like it pure and clean

James 1:27.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Come on Wouldee, you've got to be kidding yourself here.

The WHOLE BASIS of Christianity is that a person MUST recognize the BIBLE as the WORD OF GOD!!!

Come on Wouldee, if you can't see this you've got to be seriously blind.



They most absolute DO.

I don't see how you can claim otherwise. I've posted many times that the whole story of Jesus is clearly dependent on entirely biblical stories of the Old Testament.

The very crucifixion of Jesus as being a sacrificial lamb of God, is entirely based on the idea of God requiring blood sacrifices before he can forgive sins in the first place.

Jesus has no meaning outside of the biblical story.

Christianity is entirely about believing in the biblical stories. Period!



And there you go. According to Christians, the only way to please God is to do what it says in the doctrine they worship as the word of God.

You say,...



If you truly believe this then if I choose to toss a Bible in a burn barrel and view God from the pantheistic point of view you would have to say, "That perfectly fine!"

You have to take that stance if you truly believe that dogma is not God. Because in my heart I don't think that book has anything to do with God.

And you would have to accept that. Maybe you do!

But the dogma that you claim to believe in refuses that idea. So you would have to selectively believe only parts of it.

I don't see why you would do that. It seems to me that it has to be an all-or-nothing venture. You either believe the dogma or you don't.

In short Wouldee, it's not Wouldee's choice. It's what the doctrine itself is claiming.

I speak to the issue of the doctrine and the organized religion that it represents. I never speak to the issue of what Wouldee might believe. If you believe something different from what the doctrine claims then why even bother using the word "Christian" to define yourself?

This is what Redykeulous often asks. If people are going to invent their own religions why don't they make up a new label to go with it?

I can't only speak to what the doctrine says. People who claim to be Christians are supposedly claiming to believe that the Bible is the solitary word of the one true God.

If they don't believe that, then why are they even bothering to call themselves "Christians"?

You can't extract Jesus from the rest of the Bible. It won't work. He's nailed the Biblical picture even more firmly than he's nailed to the Cross. His crucifixion as being for the salvation of mankind depends on the entire biblical story. It's entirely a dogmatic religion. It demands a belief that the doctrine is the sole word of God.

The religion is ultimately a belief that the doctrine is true!

It's a belief in a doctrine. That's what it is Wouldee.

very beautifully written thanks for sharing ur wisdom on it

Ok...I guess you are just some hum drum person who doesn't want anyone to attain to anything higher than the garbage you believe. How sad....

Thank God there is more to life thru Christ than what you offer. Arrogance? BZZZZZ...WRONG...it's called Truth!

The basis of Christianity is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ and that relationship and fellowship with God is made real and forever immutable by the presence of the Holy Spirit in one's soul.

That the Holy Bible reflects that is more aptly the basis for sharing the historical significance of why that has come to be.

Having knowledge of what has passed and the promises given in the record given only adds to the richness of the life hid in Christ.

It doesn't replace the reality of Christianity.

The Holy Bible need not be read or fully absorbed to ignite one's faith to believe and receive the Holy Spirit, which, by the way, is the teacher.

We are living epistles.

The Holy Bible does bear the Word of God and the Word of God will not return void when encountered.

But the void is not in the Word of God where expressed but in the heart of the one not willing to embrace it.



Invariably, the most profusive denials always build arguments over personal excuses for not entering into the truths expressed within the written record of all the witnesses to the majesty and glory of the Living God, each step of the way, without disguising their (those mentioned in scripture) shortcomings.

It is those very shortcomings that breed the contempt in the heart of one seeking excuses for absolving oneself from seeking to the end that prize which is intended.

God is not mocked.

Ridiculed perhaps, but not mocked.

Mimicked perhaps, but not mocked.

refused perhaps, but not mocked.

According to Thesaurus.com synonyms for mocked include: Ridicule and mimicked.

Main Entry: mock
Part of Speech: verb
Synonyms: ape, artificial, banter, burlesque, caricature, copy, counterfeit, deceive, deride, disappoint, fake, false, farce, fleer, flout, imitate, imitation, insult, jape, jeer, jibe, joke, lampoon, mimic, ridicule, scoff, scorn, sham, sneer, stimulated, taunt, tease

-Drew

But this is only true for people who will believe anything they are told.

When you try to get an intelligent person to believe this the first thing there are going to say, is "Who is this Jesus fellow? And how is it that he can offer everlasting life and to wash away the sins of man? What does sin even MEAN?"

The whole thing presumes a knowledge of the Old Testament as a prerequisite.

This is why I've always said that it's silly for Evangelists to go into foreign lands and ask people to accept Jesus as their savior. First they need to understand who the God of Abraham is. They need to understand how Adam and Eve fell to sin. They need to understand why blood sacrifices are required before God can forgive sin (or at the very least, a least know that they are required)

Without all that prerequisite information (and more) they have no clue what they are actually believing. All they know is that some says that if you believe that some guy who was nailed to a cross died for you're sins, you'll receive everlasting life, and if you don't, then no one will like you, especially God, and terrible things will happened to you and you will likely spend eternity in hell (another prerequisite part of the believe, and that even includes a belief in Satan!)

People who just accept Christ as their savior and have no clue why it's all necessary are just kidding themselves.

They are clearly only doing it because they are being told that this is what God wants them to do.

They don't really have faith in either the Bible or Jesus. What they are placing their faith in is the person who is feeding them this stuff!

All you can possibly have faith in is that the Bible is true.

Or you can have faith in someone who told you that the Bible is true.

It's impossible to place your faith in Jesus. At the very best you can place your faith in the idea that the words written in the New Testament came from trustworthy individuals who knew what they were talking about.

Personally I don't trust the book. And therefore I don't put my faith in the book.

From my point of view it really has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus at all. He wasn't even invited to write in the book

It's impossible to put faith directly into Jesus via these stories.

Don't be so hard on yourself. There's always Jenny Craig there to help out.

no doubt.

it is a fine line indeed, my friend.

I am glad that you are attentive to that.


The synonyms are explicit reminders that there are many ways to attempt excuses for not embracing reverence. God is not changed one bit, though. Nor is His Only Begotten Son.

The choice remains for all men to seek God to find God, but then, there are many ways to avoid actually reaching God.

Among the many ways to circumvent actually being subjective to God's personal attentions is the embrace of opportunities to relinquish the presentation of oneself to God in reverent humility and contrition.

Although that can be a quiet personal contemplation, more often than not such exercises involve depricating the opportunity to actually give God an audience of one's conscience.

That, my friend, does not mean that God is mocked.

It means that less than engenuous means are employed to justify oneself before men.


Water is wet but not everything wet is water.


peace.

These are wouldee's words. They don't mention Jesus. In and of themselves, and out of context, this in my opinion.~ is a true statement.

Not only can enlightenment come upon a person without the Biblical dogma, it can come upon a person who has never heard of Jesus. It can come upon a person who has rejected the dogma and myth of any religion. The story is not needed.

The enlightenment does not need the dogma. It is the love that permeates all that is, there are no words for it. There is no dogma. It is all love and the rapture of love.

The ritual and the dogma are not needed. Enlightenment is for everyone who receives and channels the love.

JB

abra.

why would you quote me and then add a question mark to my statement and give it the appearance of a question?

Because you question it?

Or because you are a revisionist in training?

I see a point being made quite underhandedly by you for the supposed benefit of someone, but wqho that is, is of no consequence.

People come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ every day throughout the world by the power of the Holy Spirit which signifies to any when the truth is being preached, not necessarily every last word of exemplified doctrinal support that has been given as exhortation and encouragement.

You have never been in the presence of the Holy Spirit. It is clear by your speech which is always deficient of that acknowledgement.

You have a intellectual dryness which is your testimony of not having been even the slightest bit aware of the Holy Spirit ever having graced your person.

It is inexplicably absent from every remark you make regarding Christianity.

Without having been so touched, it is understandable that you have no basis for comprehending even in the slightest what has always eluded your judgement and never reached your conscience.

It is not the truth that has failed you, but that you have misapprehended the whole of the gospel by avoiding bringing yourself to the juncture where abra ends and God begins.


Quite frankly, abra, it is not the book that you do not trust, but that you are unable to teach from it with authority as you would imagine for yourself because you do not acknowledge having been apprehended by the Holy Spirit to do so.

It is not the book that eludes your companionship in congruence, but your disdain for not having found the means by which you expect to be apprehended for such a responsibility.

One must be a doer of the Word to receive the Word fully and to teach and preach the Word, one must be fully apprehended of by Jesus Christ and so signified by the Holy Spirit dwelling uppon your person and evident in your life.

This is a way of life shared by those in the way of life, not by prognosticators with large egoes and ambitious aspirations of their own greatness and worthiness before God.

It is to the humble and contrite who have been apprehended, as the Lord sees fit, not as we see fit. It is His business that we are about, not our own.

Either you want in Him or you do not, but in every case, that does not qualify your opinion as a meritorious one of authority over things Christian.

It does display that you are not in the house.

You are always welcome to be, but that is obviously not your choice.

Certainly, you would have me to believe that you mean well.

However, abra, that is not the case.

Your mission is clear that you intend on rebutting that which eludes you with tenacity and intellectual dishonesty by any means.






ergo, putting question marks on my statement, as though that is my post.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is the teacher of things of God in Christ.


You do.

No.

that is not the same thing.

the Holy Spirit is always testifying of the truth of the Son of God, namely Jesus Christ, and never given from other source.

There are other spirits in the world, but they are not the Holy Spirit.

God is very much an awareness to all men, but the relationship with God and the fellowship with God, in Christ, is uniquely prerequisite upon the work of the Holy spirit which convicts of sin and shows the errors as they are and leads away from those errors and into life which is not the legalistic means of any other persuasion.

It is a singular coherence peculiar to the faith of Jesus.

It is not a term for whatever suits one's fancy.

Nothing in the world of man ever began to comprehenmd the Holy Spirit until it was revealed through Jesus Christ to be available to all men in his name to know the Father and partake of the promoses of God and the victory over death and the grave and and all unrighteousness.

What is abundantly clear from the Holy spirit is that man's righteousness is inadequate in comparison to the righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus.

His righteousness is offered us all.

It is the Mind of Christ that is the Holy Spirit, and that is not a random kindness afforded any incoherently.


It is what it is, no less, no more.


Ready to jump in and find life, Jeannie?

I don't agree with you.

The character "Jesus" is part of the dogma. The story surrounding him is just made up ~in my opinion. It is not even an original story. The story tellers back then did not have much in the way of imagination. They took an ancient myth and a passion play and built it around a real character and decided to make him the son of a god and mixed this story with pagan ritual to form the Roman Catholic Church

If you want to cling to that dogma, and that label of "Christianity" you end up having to sell the whole package of Christianity including the old and new testament,

I think you can believe as you want and get raptured at church each Sunday to renew you faith in what you call the "Holy spirit" believing that you are one of the special ones, but I am a skeptic and I think that you and others are just getting caught up in the emotion and synergy (and mass hypnotism) which amounts do a delusional feeling of euphoria.

This euphoric feeling has blinded you to reason and clear thinking. It is like a drug, and you are an addict.

I would be willing to bet if you stopped engaging in these church rituals that you would return to your senses.

JB

And so it is that we, as men, do not exist until we do; and then it is that we play with our world of existent things, and order and disorder them, and so it shall be that non-existence shall take us back from existence and that nameless spirituality shall return to Void, like a tired child home from a very wild circus

No, there is another explanation, but y'all want to attach god to it, to try an justify his existence.

The fact that her mind actually drove away the tumour and took back control of her body is obviously escaping you.

.... and why is Jesus a prophet of Allah too?

Does working not only for the family business and the opposition create intellectual property rights issues?

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