Topic: Is Honesty Still the Best Policy?
onrika's photo
Sat 04/11/15 04:09 PM
Really?? Thats just stupid

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Sat 04/11/15 04:12 PM
Honesty is the BEST policy if you like being alone. the only advantage is that you don't have to explain yourself when you are caught being dishonest. I personally think that dishonest guys have better luck, that I learned be experience.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/11/15 05:23 PM
As with so many of the "wise sayings" we have, these are oversimplified, and that makes them tricky.

People win by lying and cheating all the time. In fact, there is a very powerful socio-political movement going on today, which declares that cheating and lying successfully proves your inherent superiority over everyone else, and shows that you deserve to win, and that they deserve to lose.

However, from a more unbiased point of view, it depends.

If you are trying to build a REAL relationship with someone, wherein you genuinely love and care for each other for who you are, then for sure, lying or cheating will make certain that you lose. Because even if your partner never sees through your lies, or catches you cheating, you will still know yourself that they don't love you for who you are, only for who you pretend to be.

That isn't at all satisfying for those of us who are suffering the incredible pain of having been victimized by one of those lying swine, and the old "wise saying" doesn't really seem to fit, when the liar or cheater appears to have happily gone on to lie and cheat with someone else.

mikeyspace4691's photo
Sat 04/11/15 05:25 PM
Here in the real world, it's not that easy at all..

Cause when hearts get broken, it's real tears that fall

mikeyspace4691's photo
Sat 04/11/15 05:36 PM
Darlin it's sad but true, but the one thing I've learned from you is how the boy don't always get the girl, here in the real world..

Gemini168's photo
Sat 04/11/15 06:30 PM
Honesty should be the best policy but what I have found is that if I am honest about my feelings.....the run like a bat outta hell....Why are guys so afraid to commit?

TMommy's photo
Sat 04/11/15 06:30 PM


Honesty is a great policy, but it doesnt exclude the equally great policy of silence,,,or discretion




So well said.. I have seen some people use 'Honesty" as a so called weapon then in my opinion it is no longer honesty, but someones perception...

as in " hey man just being honest"

hmmm I would tend to agree
especially in an online environment


some people love to say things that they may not say to you in real life

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 04/12/15 06:44 PM
Something to consider:

the word "honesty" is sourced in the concept of HONOR. Not simply in the act of conveying factual information.

Someone without a positive sense of personal Honor, will consistently be unable to behave honestly, no matter how factual they are.


Duttoneer's photo
Mon 04/13/15 12:20 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Mon 04/13/15 12:23 AM
A honest ditty...

It raineth on the just and the unjust fella
But mainly on the just because
The unjust stole the just's umbrella

SitkaRains's photo
Mon 04/13/15 12:30 AM

A honest ditty...

It raineth on the just and the unjust fella
But mainly on the just because
The unjust stole the just's umbrella



good oneflowerforyou

regularfeller's photo
Mon 04/13/15 01:05 AM

there is a difference between honesty and truthfulness...


You are right...my dad always told me, "I don't always tell the truth but I never lie"

marcol1's photo
Mon 04/13/15 03:48 AM


Do you want the truth or you want me to lie to you?

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Mon 04/13/15 06:17 PM

Something to consider:

the word "honesty" is sourced in the concept of HONOR. Not simply in the act of conveying factual information.

Someone without a positive sense of personal Honor, will consistently be unable to behave honestly, no matter how factual they are.




Very well said.

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Mon 04/13/15 06:36 PM
Edited by Michael24888 on Mon 04/13/15 06:39 PM

Honesty is the best policy and "cheaters never win" are among the best known sayings of all times, but are they true?
Does honesty really pay off? And if it does, Why there are so many liars, hypocrites and two faced people in the world?
Why is it that liars get ahead in life while honesty holds you back?
Why does it seem like dishonest people get ahead in life?


Honesty pays off spiritually. People that are habitually honest tend to be more at peace with themselves and those around them, form and maintain more meaningful relationships, and I'm sure many more things I won't take the time to think of right now. Anyone that is consistently dishonest and at peace with themselves is a sociopath.

Why are there so many liars, hypocrites, two faced people in the world? Because most people are naturally self centered and fear based. We have desires that turn into demands and begin to rule over us. Once our desires become demands, they cannot possibly all be met which leads to fear and insecurity. This in turn can lead to manipulative and dishonest behavior, and in more extreme circumstances can manifest itself in the form of other vices such as gambling, sex, drug, and all sorts of addiction.

Liars get ahead in life while honesty holds you back? Not sure if this is true. You're probably biased towards noticing that certain dishonest people are doing well (you're most likely talking financially) because you don't feel they deserve it. It is human nature to remember negative things, things you see as unfair, as opposed to noticing all of the positive things around us.

I would have to believe that honest people have at the very least the same chance to get ahead, and they will also sleep much better at night.

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Mon 04/13/15 06:39 PM
Honesty and Trust must meet together. Otherwise, anything in a relationship will be useless. Specially in social media and dating sites like this.

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Mon 04/13/15 06:42 PM

bashajones's photo
Mon 04/13/15 07:13 PM
Everybody lies. You're a liar if you say you don't....

Michael24888's photo
Mon 04/13/15 10:41 PM




is it true?

is it useful?

those are the 2 i try to hold myself to.

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Tue 04/14/15 05:25 PM
The fact of the matter is honesty died when real men died. There was a time when made were made of steel and ships from wood. In the modern age of gadgets n social media, men r made of Intel and women of silicone.. The age of fakery has arrived so u can forget about honesty. And its usually those who complain about honesty that ironically turn out to be the biggest hypocrite's.

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Wed 04/15/15 10:27 PM
Honesty is the best policy and "cheaters never win" are among the best known sayings of all times, but are they true?

Sometimes.
It depends on what you want, when you want it, and what kind of consequences you can deal with.

Does honesty really pay off?

In the long run it does.
If you want short term gratification and can avoid any long term consequences or really don't care about them, then no.

Why there are so many liars, hypocrites and two faced people in the world?

Because a lot of people are more concerned with the short term than the long.
At least in westernized societies.
Look at the retirement savings rate for an example.

Why is it that liars get ahead in life while honesty holds you back?

Because people that measure the "success" or "ahead" in life of others tend to use the most easily identifiable, and immediate, variables.

Like the looks of the person the other is in a relationship with, then assuming it's a "good" relationship.

Or their physical assets like their car or house.

They tend to not follow someone around and see the problems in the relationship of others, or any financial ups and downs or problems in procuring these things the other person may go through.

Only what is immediately evident to their own selfish valuations.

So in many cases it's just the appearance that they are "ahead" in life.

Why does it seem like dishonest people get ahead in life?

Because those are generally the easiest to spot.
Not to mention the "dishonest" people tend to try and force others to seem them as "honest," forcing an image on you, whereas "honest" people tend to not give a damn or try to force you to see them as honest or attempt to manipulate your perceptions of them.

Not to mention, if you are the "victim" to someone dishonest it's going to cause a greater emotional reaction, a negative emotional reaction, which you are going to remember and focus on more than anything neutral or positive.
Negative things need fixed, and addressing, requiring more mental effort to normalize, focused on what is "wrong," identifying a suspect to avoid, kill, change, fix, etc.
Neutral things are readily ignored.
Positive things are enjoyed, with focus taken from what is being enjoyed being placed on just the enjoyment, the emotion.