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It's the future, coming soon.
Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? |
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ANY kind of intelligence in D.C. would be a welcome change.
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ANY kind of intelligence in D.C. would be a welcome change.
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if growing up with *natural* intelligence is any indication, i predict that artificial intelligence will be an awkward virgin until his late teens. it will also be good at chess and starcraft.
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intelligence on earth?
it has become near extincted. look for disaster to be created for all the nations across the board by self emotional validaters, who like most of their caliber, wish to destroy all and any who don't agree with how they them self feel about things. no doubt, all happenings do dictate humanity is at a crux, a vortex... a place where the emotional self validaters shall become extincted, by allowing their own emotions as the only accurate to guide them in their decisions... thinking their feelings be more important than reality... and as the self blind do, so these shall make their moves as blind and inaccurate and destroy many and then self extinction for them self... for the basic principles of life they failed as the weaker of the spieces to with strength grasp. feelings and reality... are two different things. but, Darwin was correct, when he stated only the strong, emotionally strong then too, will survive... and the only advanced species, that survive when the lights go dim, are those that know feelings and reality are two totally different things... |
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if growing up with *natural* intelligence is any indication, i predict that artificial intelligence will be an awkward virgin until his late teens. it will also be good at chess and starcraft. Personal experience or projected prediction?  
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intelligence on earth? it has become near extincted. look for disaster to be created for all the nations across the board by self emotional validaters, who like most of their caliber, wish to destroy all and any who don't agree with how they them self feel about things. no doubt, all happenings do dictate humanity is at a crux, a vortex... a place where the emotional self validaters shall become extincted, by allowing their own emotions as the only accurate to guide them in their decisions... thinking their feelings be more important than reality... and as the self blind do, so these shall make their moves as blind and inaccurate and destroy many and then self extinction for them self... for the basic principles of life they failed as the weaker of the spieces to with strength grasp. feelings and reality... are two different things. but, Darwin was correct, when he stated only the strong, emotionally strong then too, will survive... and the only advanced species, that survive when the lights go dim, are those that know feelings and reality are two totally different things... Would it be safe to say that your view is that AI will eventually overtake humanity? |
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intelligence on earth? it has become near extincted in humans. look for disaster to be created for all the nations across the board by self emotional validaters, who like most of their caliber, wish to destroy all and any who don't agree with how they them self feel about things. no doubt, all happenings do dictate humanity is at a crux, a vortex... a place where the emotional self validaters shall become extincted, by allowing their own emotions as the only accurate to guide them in their decisions... thinking their feelings be more important than reality... and as the self blind do, so these shall make their moves as blind and inaccurate and destroy many and then self extinction for them self... for the basic principles of life they failed as the weaker of the spieces to with strength grasp. feelings and reality... are two different things. but, Darwin was correct, when he stated only the strong, emotionally strong then too, will survive... and the only advanced species, that survive when the lights go dim, are those that know feelings and reality are two totally different things... Would it be safe to say that your view is that AI will eventually overtake humanity? we have lost the intelligence to create an AI that can overtake ALL the world... because we have no unmoving bar of intelligence. it's all subjective. the world has come to the brink of all as subjective. few facts, with tons ans tons of emotional adjectives. which would cripple any bot human extinction agenda. and that will make it impossible to program machines well enough to extinct ALL humans. a lot of them, yes... the emotional one's. who can have "feeling triggers" over sentimental pictures, sentimental words, those that think they actually "love" machines, or sex dolls, or their laptops, or material things most... the addicted... as it's easy to know what they will choose given choice, in any case, in advance. and because all intelligence factoring is currently based upon emotional comparisons, based upon the "ambiguous" human language, which triggers "emotional response"... and this is what is used to program the operating system of bots developed for human interaction... huge error margins will then obviously exist. a good and bad. bad for those who are easily predictable. good for those who are not. knowing this... since programmers are basing on human not interaction all on human "word" and human emotional "trigger" meanings... and how many meanings in real life can be had for one word? more than could ever all be accounted for, as these are morphing every day... "one facial look", means one thing, or two or three things... we are programming one look, one meaning, right now. sheer lunacy... when the human emotional development goes to infinity and beyond... in this way, machines could take out MANY innocent victims... but never all... but those that know will know the machines are like this, so will know how to fool them, or outsmart them, knowing how they are programmed... just as you can outsmart anyone in real life, if you truly know how they are emotionally programmed... which in humans, is simple... it's always known simply by what they want most... which is why all the social sites were developed to mine the accurate data about what humans want... to sell them more products... or to accurately determine products created on pre-behavior data... and now into pre-crime... which is then all one needs to know to understand bot configuration inputs protocols. as that tells what all emotional triggers, or reactions will be... so what they, it, all the same, since humans built the machine after them self, will do, in all scenarios, before they them self actually do it... so then how to out maneuver it. so, no, they will not extinct us all. anyhow... |
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But can only co exist with intelligent, non- emotional beings, since the emotional ones will be extinct...?
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that needs more expounding upon...
have a go at it... 
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sat 01/03/15 04:55 AM
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No matter how good you make it,Homer will find a way to beach it up! Comforting Thought,though! 
Asimov wrote extensively on it! |
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It's the future, coming soon. Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? Do machines think? Could a machine produce similar work as Shakespear, Strauss, or Einstein? In my opinion it is not going to happen anytime soon. Machines follow a program of instructions and react to input which causes a response, such as the next move in a chess game, but it is following a program of instructions. It could be said the Internet is an intelligent machine because we can use a search engine to ask a question, and then receive an answer to the question, but again it is following a program of instructions to provide the response. No machine as far as I know has ever written a play, composed a piece of music or made any scientific discovery, and in my opinion is never likely to. We will see advances in the use of machines in many areas such as driverless cars, trains, maybe even ships and aeroplanes, with the inevitable loss of jobs, which I guess is the usual price paid for progress. |
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But can only co exist with intelligent, non- emotional beings, since the emotional ones will be extinct...? Not really. The memory and computing capacity of machines has experienced exponential growth. Soon, the machine brain will equal and exceed that of the human. The programming is the key. Emotions can be programmed into a machine in a similar way to a human. You brain is "conditioned" to react a certain way when you see a baby cry, a person shot in the head, etc. The infinite variability of the human mind is largely due to the infinite variability of the combination of hormones released during sex, hunger, anger, music, etc. There is a TV show called "Through the Wormhole" that recently studied your topic in depth. However, there are parallel evolutions in science that follow the same theme. Genetic engineering is progressing so fast, specific genes can be added or subtracted from a genome. Making a chimp as smart as a human could happen. Making humans many times smarter (or meaner) may also be possible soon. Making a computer interface directly with the human brain is already in the works. (Imagine having all the knowledge of the internet instantly at the back of your mind with the computing power of a super computer!) |
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It's the future, coming soon. Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? Do machines think? Could a machine produce similar work as Shakespear, Strauss, or Einstein? In my opinion it is not going to happen anytime soon. Machines follow a program of instructions and react to input which causes a response, such as the next move in a chess game, but it is following a program of instructions. It could be said the Internet is an intelligent machine because we can use a search engine to ask a question, and then receive an answer to the question, but again it is following a program of instructions to provide the response. No machine as far as I know has ever written a play, composed a piece of music or made any scientific discovery, and in my opinion is never likely to. We will see advances in the use of machines in many areas such as driverless cars, trains, maybe even ships and aeroplanes, with the inevitable loss of jobs, which I guess is the usual price paid for progress. The question stems from a couple of CNN interviews about the use of drones in remotely controlled air strikes. The ethical dilemma surrounding it is the use of the program to attack based on a predetermined set of conditions or situations without the benefit of human judgement, hence error. On the flip side, there have already been countless science fiction story lines exploring the concept of having intelligent robots or interface as part of normal human interaction, from simple house cleaning, to sexual gratification, to child substitution. From children's cartoon shows to blockbuster films, science fiction has always had the propensity of fueling human imagination and creativity to produce science fact. There's always a line that can and will be crossed, one way or another, all it takes is a matter of time and changing sensibilities. |
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But can only co exist with intelligent, non- emotional beings, since the emotional ones will be extinct...? Not really. The memory and computing capacity of machines has experienced exponential growth. Soon, the machine brain will equal and exceed that of the human. The programming is the key. Emotions can be programmed into a machine in a similar way to a human. You brain is "conditioned" to react a certain way when you see a baby cry, a person shot in the head, etc. The infinite variability of the human mind is largely due to the infinite variability of the combination of hormones released during sex, hunger, anger, music, etc. There is a TV show called "Through the Wormhole" that recently studied your topic in depth. However, there are parallel evolutions in science that follow the same theme. Genetic engineering is progressing so fast, specific genes can be added or subtracted from a genome. Making a chimp as smart as a human could happen. Making humans many times smarter (or meaner) may also be possible soon. Making a computer interface directly with the human brain is already in the works. (Imagine having all the knowledge of the internet instantly at the back of your mind with the computing power of a super computer!) Thank you for the reply, but to clarify the question quoted -- I was attempting to summarize and find out where davidben was going with his statements. I appreciate your informative exposition on it. 
I can agree on the supposition ie. presumptuion, that we will always try to make everything "bigger and better". In this case maybe "more efficient and compact" evidenced with the progress of nano machines and genetic engineering and artificial life, etc. I do not doubt that the eventuality of combining technology into biology and vise versa will soon be underway, if not already happening. However, there is always that socio-economic implications of having these "super-beings" surpass and compete with regular folks. Not to mention the moral-ethical dilemma of whether we go too far in making "gods" of ourselves, considering the inherent flaws we humans have and the very possible inability for us to undo the mistakes we make in going as far as to create and/or mis-use something that may exceed our own capabilities. |
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No matter how good you make it,Homer will find a way to beach it up! Comforting Thought,though!
Asimov wrote extensively on it! I will always have a special place for "stupid Homer" in my heart.  
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The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets!
...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me....
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I believe we already go too far and are becoming 'detached' from humanity and too plugged in to 'things' instead of 'humans'
these things can and do eventually fall in the wrong hands and become used for motives of greed and power,,,,we as humans make the mistake of feeling like our own Gods, in control of everything,,, that's often when those very things (including AI) are most likely to get very much out of our control ,,,just my opinion,,, |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sat 01/03/15 11:23 AM
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The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... I believe we already go too far and are becoming 'detached' from humanity and too plugged in to 'things' instead of 'humans' these things can and do eventually fall in the wrong hands and become used for motives of greed and power,,,,we as humans make the mistake of feeling like our own Gods, in control of everything,,, that's often when those very things (including AI) are most likely to get very much out of our control ,,,just my opinion,,, I agree with your opinion! :`))...Wishing you a Happy New Year Harmony! 
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same to you and yours,,
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