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Topic: Artificial intelligence debate
BlkmatureMan57 Joined Sat 08/04/12 Posts: 137	Sat 01/03/15 01:15 PM
Lets see with there being over billions or trillions planets in space. To say the earth have intelligent beings is like saying the earth is the only planet with life. No doubt.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 01/03/15 01:39 PM


Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sat 01/03/15 01:58 PM
I believe we already go too far and are becoming 'detached' from humanity and too plugged in to 'things' instead of 'humans' these things can and do eventually fall in the wrong hands and become used for motives of greed and power,,,,we as humans make the mistake of feeling like our own Gods, in control of everything,,, that's often when those very things (including AI) are most likely to get very much out of our control ,,,just my opinion,,, And yet, we may never be able to deny the fact that advances in this field of technology, good or bad is inevitable.

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sat 01/03/15 02:03 PM
The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... "Intelligent" robots are already underway, emotional ones, like metalwing has just mentioned, may just be over the horizon. But the possibility of ethical/moral - ly capable ones is still a question, especially if we ourselves have always been divided on the basis of these very principles.

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sat 01/03/15 02:05 PM
Lets see with there being over billions or trillions planets in space. To say the earth have intelligent beings is like saying the earth is the only planet with life. No doubt. No one is saying earth is the only planet with life, though to expound further regarding this matter becomes off topic. No doubt.

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sat 01/03/15 02:06 PM


BlkmatureMan57 Joined Sat 08/04/12 Posts: 137	Sat 01/03/15 02:17 PM Edited by BlkmatureMan57 on Sat 01/03/15 02:18 PM
Lets see with there being over billions or trillions planets in space. To say the earth have intelligent beings is like saying the earth is the only planet with life. No doubt. No one is saying earth is the only planet with life, though to expound further regarding this matter becomes off topic. No doubt. Any intelligent would have to be better than intelligent on earth. Life is for living an not for killing.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 01/03/15 03:40 PM
The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... "Intelligent" robots are already underway, emotional ones, like metalwing has just mentioned, may just be over the horizon. But the possibility of ethical/moral - ly capable ones is still a question, especially if we ourselves have always been divided on the basis of these very principles. http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/11/10/bostrom-superintelligence-2-instrumental-convergence-thesis/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/12/08/bostrom-superintelligence-5-limiting-ais-capabilities/

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Sat 01/03/15 03:54 PM
The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... "Intelligent" robots are already underway, emotional ones, like metalwing has just mentioned, may just be over the horizon. But the possibility of ethical/moral - ly capable ones is still a question, especially if we ourselves have always been divided on the basis of these very principles. http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/11/10/bostrom-superintelligence-2-instrumental-convergence-thesis/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/12/08/bostrom-superintelligence-5-limiting-ais-capabilities/ Really good articles Con!!...I had to read them twice though! ...haha..

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48947	Sat 01/03/15 04:06 PM


alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 01/03/15 05:18 PM
No matter how good you make it,Homer will find a way to beach it up! Comforting Thought,though! Asimov wrote extensively on it! Yep, seems about the right speed. And Asimov, iRobot and other works of fiction, but we all add what we are capable of: Criticism of Asimov "Asimov: Humanist or Lacking Humanity? One notable criticism of Isaac Asimov came from Rachel Kennedy in the Washington post on the 25th August 1985 and read "In 1940, Asimov's humans were stripped-down masculine portraits of Americans from 1940, and they still are. His robots were tin cans with speedlines like an old Studebaker, and still are; the Robot tales depended on an increasingly unworkable distinction between movable and unmovable artificial intelligences, and still do."

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 01/03/15 05:26 PM
It's the future, coming soon. Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? Do machines think? Could a machine produce similar work as Shakespear, Strauss, or Einstein? In my opinion it is not going to happen anytime soon. Machines follow a program of instructions and react to input which causes a response, such as the next move in a chess game, but it is following a program of instructions. It could be said the Internet is an intelligent machine because we can use a search engine to ask a question, and then receive an answer to the question, but again it is following a program of instructions to provide the response. No machine as far as I know has ever written a play, composed a piece of music or made any scientific discovery, and in my opinion is never likely to. We will see advances in the use of machines in many areas such as driverless cars, trains, maybe even ships and aeroplanes, with the inevitable loss of jobs, which I guess is the usual price paid for progress. You could well be quite right. Before intelligence can be artificial, it would require an intelligence that could create. All one needs do is look around and see the outcome of that equation.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 01/03/15 06:05 PM
The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... "Intelligent" robots are already underway, emotional ones, like metalwing has just mentioned, may just be over the horizon. But the possibility of ethical/moral - ly capable ones is still a question, especially if we ourselves have always been divided on the basis of these very principles. http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/11/10/bostrom-superintelligence-2-instrumental-convergence-thesis/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/12/08/bostrom-superintelligence-5-limiting-ais-capabilities/ It becomes rather obvious even at a cursory glance that one had no clue as to what was posted because of one did, then why were parts 1, 3 and 4 ignored? Even better, why using an analogy by another rather than going straight to the source? And if one actually did read the sources, why was not part 3 chosen as a better source to answer the question? Bostrom on Superintelligence (3): Doom and the Treacherous Turn But even more important, why not the original author, because only an analysis by another is available on a google search?

Duttoneer Joined Sun 07/01/12 Posts: 4976	Sun 01/04/15 01:49 AM
It's the future, coming soon. Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? Do machines think? Could a machine produce similar work as Shakespear, Strauss, or Einstein? In my opinion it is not going to happen anytime soon. Machines follow a program of instructions and react to input which causes a response, such as the next move in a chess game, but it is following a program of instructions. It could be said the Internet is an intelligent machine because we can use a search engine to ask a question, and then receive an answer to the question, but again it is following a program of instructions to provide the response. No machine as far as I know has ever written a play, composed a piece of music or made any scientific discovery, and in my opinion is never likely to. We will see advances in the use of machines in many areas such as driverless cars, trains, maybe even ships and aeroplanes, with the inevitable loss of jobs, which I guess is the usual price paid for progress. You could well be quite right. Before intelligence can be artificial, it would require an intelligence that could create. All one needs do is look around and see the outcome of that equation. It is true that human intelligence can, and will continue to produce machines that exhibit what could be called ' Artificial intelligence'. However, no machine I am aware of has ever and never will be produced, that is capable of creating new original works and ideas in literature, music, science. The media would be telling us all about these machine works and machine discoveries made if they did exist, it will never happen, this is just my opinion.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 01/04/15 02:46 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 01/04/15 02:50 AM
The idea of intelligent robots is not resonating with me,,,,,yet....I keep thinking of that transition period when some are and some aren't and your can't tell the difference until you get between the sheets! ...I find the whole idea of artificial intelligence sad and scary...That might be because I am not super smart like my friend Metalwing..hehe...I'm still thinking, "too much room for error!" ...Real emotions, good or bad, are necessary for living life and I just don't believe science has (or ever will have) the capability of programing them correctly because each individual is and always will be "perfect" in their uniqueness...After all of this convoluted thinking on my part, I throw in ethics and morals and come up with a loser....I just wanna be me.... "Intelligent" robots are already underway, emotional ones, like metalwing has just mentioned, may just be over the horizon. But the possibility of ethical/moral - ly capable ones is still a question, especially if we ourselves have always been divided on the basis of these very principles. http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/11/10/bostrom-superintelligence-2-instrumental-convergence-thesis/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/12/08/bostrom-superintelligence-5-limiting-ais-capabilities/ It becomes rather obvious even at a cursory glance that one had no clue as to what was posted because of one did, then why were parts 1, 3 and 4 ignored? Even better, why using an analogy by another rather than going straight to the source? And if one actually did read the sources, why was not part 3 chosen as a better source to answer the question? Bostrom on Superintelligence (3): Doom and the Treacherous Turn But even more important, why not the original author, because only an analysis by another is available on a google search? 'cause someone as smart as you ought to be able to find the Rest without Problems! Besides,if you had paid attention,it is the Review of a Book,therefore not available! Try again,Smarthip! BTW,are you stalking me? You're sounding Bitter lately! Obama might have been correct about that Bitter Segment of the US!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 01/04/15 02:52 AM
It's the future, coming soon. Thoughts on the possibilities, probabilities, eventualities Views on ethical, economic, political consequences When is it raising the bar, when is it going too far? Do machines think? Could a machine produce similar work as Shakespear, Strauss, or Einstein? In my opinion it is not going to happen anytime soon. Machines follow a program of instructions and react to input which causes a response, such as the next move in a chess game, but it is following a program of instructions. It could be said the Internet is an intelligent machine because we can use a search engine to ask a question, and then receive an answer to the question, but again it is following a program of instructions to provide the response. No machine as far as I know has ever written a play, composed a piece of music or made any scientific discovery, and in my opinion is never likely to. We will see advances in the use of machines in many areas such as driverless cars, trains, maybe even ships and aeroplanes, with the inevitable loss of jobs, which I guess is the usual price paid for progress. You could well be quite right. Before intelligence can be artificial, it would require an intelligence that could create. All one needs do is look around and see the outcome of that equation. It is true that human intelligence can, and will continue to produce machines that exhibit what could be called ' Artificial intelligence'. However, no machine I am aware of has ever and never will be produced, that is capable of creating new original works and ideas in literature, music, science. The media would be telling us all about these machine works and machine discoveries made if they did exist, it will never happen, this is just my opinion. To stop because it might not be attainable,isn't exactly what Humans are all about!

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sun 01/04/15 09:34 AM
Lets see with there being over billions or trillions planets in space. To say the earth have intelligent beings is like saying the earth is the only planet with life. No doubt. No one is saying earth is the only planet with life, though to expound further regarding this matter becomes off topic. No doubt. Any intelligent would have to be better than intelligent on earth. Life is for living an not for killing. errr... killing was never really part of the topic...

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sun 01/04/15 09:35 AM
and im sure malmacians don't have this particular dilemma

Pansytilly Joined Mon 06/09/14 Posts: 11310	Sun 01/04/15 09:43 AM
It is true that human intelligence can, and will continue to produce machines that exhibit what could be called ' Artificial intelligence'. However, no machine I am aware of has ever and never will be produced, that is capable of creating new original works and ideas in literature, music, science. The media would be telling us all about these machine works and machine discoveries made if they did exist, it will never happen, this is just my opinion. we're not suppositioning that technology will be able to achieve its own form of creativity. but as to the previously stated fact that computers can be programmed to act according to a specific set of instructions or codes, will allowing this, for the sake of negating human judgement/human error, eventually bring this form of advancement too far?

Duttoneer Joined Sun 07/01/12 Posts: 4976	Sun 01/04/15 12:16 PM
It is true that human intelligence can, and will continue to produce machines that exhibit what could be called ' Artificial intelligence'. However, no machine I am aware of has ever and never will be produced, that is capable of creating new original works and ideas in literature, music, science. The media would be telling us all about these machine works and machine discoveries made if they did exist, it will never happen, this is just my opinion. we're not suppositioning that technology will be able to achieve its own form of creativity. but as to the previously stated fact that computers can be programmed to act according to a specific set of instructions or codes, will allowing this, for the sake of negating human judgement/human error, eventually bring this form of advancement too far? I agree, in many areas of science including computer science there is a need for the appropriate authorities to monitor research and development with respect to safety and ethics, to ensure acceptable standards are adhered to.