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Topic: Disorderly = death.....
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Mon 10/01/07 07:35 AM
Flier Dies After Being Handcuffed
Daughter-In-Law Of New York's Public Advocate
POSTED: 1:49 pm PDT September 29, 2007
UPDATED: 9:55 am PDT September 30, 2007

PHOENIX -- A 45-year-old woman who was in police custody after being arrested for disorderly conduct in a Phoenix airport terminal died in a holding room while apparently struggling with her handcuffs, police said.
Carol Ann Gotbaum, 45, left alone in the room, was possibly trying to break free from the handcuffs when she got them entangled around her neck, said Sgt. Andy Hill of the Phoenix Police Department.
Hill said a medical examiner will have to make a final determination as to the manner and cause of death.
Gotbaum is the daughter-in-law of New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum, the Daily News reported in Sunday editions.

"We are extraordinarily upset," said Gotbaum.
She added that her daughter-in-law had three young children.
Gotbaum spoke briefly to media across the street from her Manhattan building on Sunday.
"It's obviously very, very difficult for us, we are dealing with it as best we can. My number one focus is those children and my stepson. I hope the press will consider our feelings and please, please, please don't ask us any more questions," she said.
The flier went into medical distress and lost consciousness, Hill said.
Officers administered CPR and firefighters joined in when they arrived at Terminal 4, but their sustained efforts could not revive her.
According to witnesses, Friday afternoon's incident at Sky Harbor International Airport began when Gotbaum was unable to board her flight and started arguing with a gate attendant, Hill said.
Gotbaum was denied entry to a US Airways Express flight headed to Tucson because she was late arriving at the gate and the plane was already preparing to depart, US Airways spokesman Derek Hanna said Saturday.
She was rebooked on the next flight, but "she became extremely irate, apparently running up and down the gate area."
A number of witnesses told officers they observed Gotbaum yelling and screaming while running through the terminal, according to Hill.
Two officers who initially responded approached her as she was going past the security checkpoint area back into the terminal, Hill said.
The officers were not able to calm Gotbaum and eventually arrested her for disorderly conduct, Hill said.
Woman Enraged, Witnesses Say
Gotbaum initially resisted being handcuffed, but she was finally taken into custody near the security checkpoint, according to Hill.
The woman was whisked to a police holding room office in terminal 4.
A number of police employees were in the room at the time, Hill said. Gotbaum was placed in an individual holding room by herself in handcuffs.
When officers outside the door did not hear her voice, they went in to check on her and found her unconscious.
Second Airport Scare In Two Days
On Thursday, firefighters and police officers revived a 68-year-old woman who collapsed at Sky Harbor as she waited for a shuttle bus.
Airport spokeswoman Julie Rodriguez said the woman was unresponsive and not breathing after she collapsed.
Officers at the scene began chest compressions and rescue breathing and used an automated external defibrillator that had been on a wall.
When firefighters arrived, they used the defibrillator again, and that's when the woman's pulse returned.
She was the 17th person to be saved by an automated external defibrillator since the devices were installed at the airport in late 2000.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/640795881/495923
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Another case of strong arm tactics run amok...when are we as citizens gonna say enough is enough.??...Or how many of you think she deserved this?....

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Mon 10/01/07 07:42 AM
thank you patriot act

and it will stand as no wrong doing

creating a threat in an airport

by the way speaking at any volume a dis satisfaction
is a threat read section five i think it is

how many liberties will YOU let go for a FALSE since of security

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Mon 10/01/07 08:00 AM
Amen brother....why would we possibly feel it necessary to put a 45 yr old
woman in a room IN HANDCUFFS ....???....unbelievable....we are in trouble.

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Mon 10/01/07 08:07 AM
well i am sure there are times that is needed

and maybe this was one of them (i doubt it)

but it goes to show

every one needs to get their wolf teeth out

or their wool is going to be sheared a bit to close to the flesh

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Mon 10/01/07 10:08 AM
"A number of witnesses told officers they observed Gotbaum yelling and screaming while running through the terminal, according to Hill.
Two officers who initially responded approached her as she was going past the security checkpoint area back into the terminal, Hill said.
The officers were not able to calm Gotbaum and eventually arrested her for disorderly conduct, Hill said. "

All Liberals know that nobody is responsible for their own actions so they have to blame the police. This nutcase could have defused the whole issue by acting responsibly instead of like a screaming maniac. The policy is when you are arrested and in custody you are handcuffed. It is also not unheard of to leave a handcuffed detainee unattended. Unfortunately this woman died because of the choices she made put the blame where it belongs on her not the police.



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Mon 10/01/07 10:31 AM
gardenforge,

My one problem with this story is that she wasn't being watched. I don't think it would be too expensive to put a camera or two into the holding tanks so that they could monitor and make sure that someone doesn't do something stupid (like the woman in the article) and kill herself. It's a very sad situation, but I don't think 100% of the blame belongs on the woman. She was acting the fool, but she wouldn't have died if someone had been watching her.

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Mon 10/01/07 11:06 AM
I don't think this has anything to do with the patriot act.

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Mon 10/01/07 11:10 AM

Yea, where does the Patriot Act come into play? huh

How does one strangle yourself when in handcuffs? I don't think it's anyone's fault here.

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Mon 10/01/07 11:14 AM
why is the liberal card always played here garden????

Things happen like this all the time while in police custody....where does it say it has to be a liberal, or republican.........silly label makersgrumble grumble grumble

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Mon 10/01/07 11:42 AM
read section 5 of it

has ben posted were it is

google patriot act of 2001

and read it

creating a public disturbance is now a terrorist threat

adj4u's photo
Mon 10/01/07 11:45 AM
i would pull it up and copy and paste it for ya

but the mother board went out on the comp i had it saved on

that is the problem

people do not read what something says

and thus they do not know

and thus go by what propaganda they hear about it

simple answer read it


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Mon 10/01/07 12:16 PM
There is no section 5 of the patriot act, there are only three sections.

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Patriot act is treated like the Boogey man. Everyone is always sure it's under the bed or in the closet, but it's never there when you look.

I have yet to see a single "scary" item listed in the Patriot Act. I keep HEARING about scary things, but nobody can ever produce an actual quote from the patriot act that anyone but a terrorist would be scared by.

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Mon 10/01/07 12:49 PM
(4) by adding at the end the following:

`(B) by conduct described in clause (i), (ii), or (iii) of subparagraph (A), caused (or, in the case of an attempted offense, would, if completed, have caused)--

`(i) loss to 1 or more persons during any 1-year period (and, for purposes of an investigation, prosecution, or other proceeding brought by the United States only, loss resulting from a related course of conduct affecting 1 or more other protected computers) aggregating at least $5,000 in value;

`(ii) the modification or impairment, or potential modification or impairment, of the medical examination, diagnosis, treatment, or care of 1 or more individuals;

`(iii) physical injury to any person;

`(iv) a threat to public health or safety; or

a short excerpt from your site spider

a threat to public health or SAFETY

CREATING A DISTURBANCE IS A THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFTY


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Mon 10/01/07 12:53 PM
SEC. 808. DEFINITION OF FEDERAL CRIME OF TERRORISM.

Section 2332b of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (f), by inserting `and any violation of section 351(e), 844(e), 844(f)(1), 956(b), 1361, 1366(b), 1366(c), 1751(e), 2152, or 2156 of this title,' before `and the Secretary'; and

(2) in subsection (g)(5)(B), by striking clauses (i) through (iii) and inserting the following:

`(i) section 32 (relating to destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities),

**** 37 (relating to violence at international airports),

81 (relating to arson within special maritime and territorial jurisdiction), 175 or 175b (relating to biological weapons), 229 (relating to chemical weapons), subsection (a), (b), (c), or (d) of section 351 (relating to congressional, cabinet, and Supreme Court assassination and kidnaping), 831 (relating to nuclear materials), 842(m) or (n) (relating to plastic explosives), 844(f)(2) or (3) (relating to arson and bombing of Government property risking or causing death), 844(i) (relating to arson and bombing of property used in interstate commerce), 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a Federal facility with a dangerous weapon), 956(a)(1) (relating to conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim persons abroad), 1030(a)(1) (relating to protection of computers), 1030(a)(5)(A)(i) resulting in damage as defined in 1030(a)(5)(B)(ii) through (v) (relating to protection of computers), 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the United States), 1116 (relating to murder or manslaughter of foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons), 1203 (relating to hostage taking), 1362 (relating to destruction of communication lines, stations, or systems), 1363 (relating to injury to buildings or property within special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States), 1366(a) (relating to destruction of an energy facility), 1751(a), (b), (c), or (d) (relating to Presidential and Presidential staff assassination and kidnaping), 1992 (relating to wrecking trains), 1993 (relating to terrorist attacks and other acts of violence against mass transportation systems), 2155 (relating to destruction of national defense materials, premises, or utilities), 2280 (relating to violence against maritime navigation), 2281 (relating to violence against maritime fixed platforms), 2332 (relating to certain homicides and other violence against United States nationals occurring outside of the United States), 2332a (relating to use of weapons of mass destruction), 2332b (relating to acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries), 2339 (relating to harboring terrorists), 2339A (relating to providing material support to terrorists), 2339B (relating to providing material support to terrorist organizations), or 2340A (relating to torture) of this title;

note 37*****

again from your site spider

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Mon 10/01/07 12:55 PM
the fact of the matter is that person should have been watched, since obviously that person had mental issues.

You have some esplaining to do lucy!!!!!!laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 10/01/07 12:56 PM
again from you site

`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

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if you speed you are a domestic terrorist


hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Mon 10/01/07 12:59 PM
the rest of that section 5 on

`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

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Mon 10/01/07 01:01 PM
is not yelling and screaming a way to coerce

hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm

i wonder

how many liberties will be given up

for a false sense of security

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Mon 10/01/07 01:02 PM
If you travel in a plane, please remember to cut all of your toenails and fingernails before boarding......thanks!!:wink: laugh laugh

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Mon 10/01/07 01:04 PM
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`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.
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If you look at the whole thing, it's no longer scary. In order for speeding to be considered a terrorist act, you would have to do it so as to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population" (NASCAR?), "Influence the policy of the government" or "effect the conduct of the government". Sorry, but you are just cherry picking peices and ignoring the rest. In order for an action to be considered a terrorist act, it MUST fit Section 802 subsection a, point 5 criteria a, b and c.

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