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No! Off course i do not want people to stop having discussions and share views. I just do not see the value into having this type of discussion. Society is full of tools to label people. And sometimes they are recognized and even invented for the purpose of labeling and controlling a population. A good example that i find is the IQ test. It is been designed to "measure" people's inteligence. And it has been expressed in a cold number. The problem however is that your boss might value you for that number of iq that you "possess" And not your whole spectrum of capabilities. So for example your boss might blame you for something that you cannot perform. Saying that since you have this level of IQ. Then the task should be of no problem to you. Or as opposite.. your boss might not give you the chance to evolve in a process. Because the number of your Iq might not be sufficient enough for him to take that risk. Eventhough you are more then capable to do so. Or women.. Men would say women are weak. Did you as a man ever try to give birth to a baby then ? Any idea how hard that is ? Well there is tuns of contradictions in life. But in my view it is best not to name them and then question a group about it. Because people will be offended and it is not of any good use. Therefore i take a stand in these kind of discussions. By saying that they are not helping anyone by simply giving up on a particular group of people. Or stigmatizing them. I totally got what you said. I agree that when it is centered around a 'blame' theory, instead of addressing the many responsibilities of society and individuals,,, it becomes just offense, vs defense and limits the amount of constructive discussion that follows,,, |
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1. If you don't like this kind of discussion, then you are free to stay out of it. 2. Humans have a tendency to dislike it whenever their culture's "dirty laundry" is made public. Thus, people like Bill Cosby and John McWhorter are criticized whenever they point out self-inflicted wounds within the USA's African-American subculture. McWhorter, to his credit, anticipated being criticized for his act of exposing such "dirty laundry". Here is an excerpt from his article published by the Daily Beast: Quite simply, the idea that the "acting white" charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems - this time, scholastic performance - might be due to anything but white racism. I would point out that the "acting white" problem is a cultural problem and a generational problem, not a racial one. Also, this particular problem, regardless of how big it is, reveals an anti-white bigotry whose name some people dare not speak. is it anti white or anti self hate?,,,,,,hmmmm 
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I find it unfair for black children in the USA to be accused of "acting white" because those children are doing things that will help them to be successful later in life. I find it unfair for such anti-white bigotry to be proverbially "swept under the rug". Thankfully, I already know that life isn't supposed to be fair.  I find it nonsense that 'acting' black or white are such common place descriptors ,,, I have even called out some ADULTS in these very forums for using those terms,,, yet,, somehow white people being accused of 'acting black' hasn't crippled their economic and financial status at large which is why I similarly reject a notion that black people being accused of 'acting white' has had a significant affect on their DEMOGRAPHIC results in education of socioeconomic status,,, that's not rejecting that individuals (white and black) aren't judged with such words,,,,it happens kind of like people win lottos, but the majority of rich people are not rich BECAUSE of a lotto.... |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Mon 10/13/14 07:07 AM
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Opinions, styles, fads, and belief systems are these days based on who pays the most to our corporate media for TV ads and the suckers who buy into it |
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So true..
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1. If you don't like this kind of discussion, then you are free to stay out of it. 2. Humans have a tendency to dislike it whenever their culture's "dirty laundry" is made public. Thus, people like Bill Cosby and John McWhorter are criticized whenever they point out self-inflicted wounds within the USA's African-American subculture. McWhorter, to his credit, anticipated being criticized for his act of exposing such "dirty laundry". Here is an excerpt from his article published by the Daily Beast: Quite simply, the idea that the "acting white" charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems - this time, scholastic performance - might be due to anything but white racism. I would point out that the "acting white" problem is a cultural problem and a generational problem, not a racial one. Also, this particular problem, regardless of how big it is, reveals an anti-white bigotry whose name some people dare not speak. is it anti white or anti self hate?,,,,,,hmmmm It is anti-white. The existence of anti-white bigotry shouldn't be difficult to believe if one believes that most Americans are racists. |
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1. If you don't like this kind of discussion, then you are free to stay out of it. 2. Humans have a tendency to dislike it whenever their culture's "dirty laundry" is made public. Thus, people like Bill Cosby and John McWhorter are criticized whenever they point out self-inflicted wounds within the USA's African-American subculture. McWhorter, to his credit, anticipated being criticized for his act of exposing such "dirty laundry". Here is an excerpt from his article published by the Daily Beast: Quite simply, the idea that the "acting white" charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems - this time, scholastic performance - might be due to anything but white racism. I would point out that the "acting white" problem is a cultural problem and a generational problem, not a racial one. Also, this particular problem, regardless of how big it is, reveals an anti-white bigotry whose name some people dare not speak. is it anti white or anti self hate?,,,,,,hmmmm It is anti-white. The existence of anti-white bigotry shouldn't be difficult to believe if one believes that most Americans are racists. confusing issues I think.... I do believe bigotry exists in all form,, racial, gender, etc,,, I also believe people can be criticized for what appears as SELF HATE,,, just to be extreme,,,I babysat a child who used to pretend to be a dog, it was very irritating,, not because I have bigotry towards dogs,, but because I felt like she should perhaps not feel a need to be seen as one,,,, of course, society and media, contribute in large part to how children learn to internalize what it is to be 'self',,,based upon culture, race, or gender,,, |
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Edited by
michelake
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Tue 10/14/14 03:17 AM
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I agree with you also msharmony.
Sometimes it is hard to differentiate between "racism" and "preferance" Although i am well aware that those two things are different. For example if someone prefers to find a partner that is only from this specific origin. Simply because he/she thinks that person is beautifull. Then others might find this person racist. ( Although he/she just follows primitive instincts that bypass rational thinking :)) When he/she is stating his preferance.Or when someone declares that he is proud of his country and thinks it is the best in the world. But it does not neccesarily mean that this person is a racist. Same goes for making decisions based on your upbringing. You made decisions because you think they are the right ones. Psychology has altered over the course of years. So what we used to think that was good might be "out of the question" now. Although i firmly believe that some things should always remain the same. Like.. "Do not inflict on someone, that you do not want to be inflicted on you " and "Do not hold a whole group accountable for the action of one individual" |
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I also believe people can be criticized for what appears as SELF HATE,,, just to be extreme,,,I babysat a child who used to pretend to be a dog, it was very irritating,, not because I have bigotry towards dogs,, but because I felt like she should perhaps not feel a need to be seen as one,,,, Wait.... are you saying that black people who 'act white' have issues of 'self hatred' ? |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Tue 10/14/14 06:56 AM
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Quite simply, the idea that the "acting white" charge is a myth is itself a myth. This myth is embraced by people who shudder in their boots at the idea that black problems - this time, scholastic performance - might be due to anything but white racism. Also, this particular problem, regardless of how big it is, reveals an anti-white bigotry whose name some people dare not speak. is it anti white or anti self hate?,,,,,,hmmmmwhat It is anti-white. The existence of anti-white bigotry shouldn't be difficult to believe if one believes that most Americans are racists. I'm confused. We are still talking about black kids in school discouraging other black kids from 'acting white' and doing well in school, right ? Dodo, are you saying that this is a form of racism: A black kid saying "nah, man, don't do your homework. thats what white people do. you trying to be white? don't be white. white people are nerds" If so, I would agree. Not the social-justice-warrior redefinition of racism in which 'only white people can be racist', but by a more meaningful definition of racism this is definitely racism. I also don't think we need to worry too much about the well being of white students as a consequence of this kind of anti-white racism. Its unfortunate that there are so many black kids being brought up to be racist towards white kids[1], but this -specific- expression of that racism isn't harming white people. On the other hand, it does seem to be harming black people (in the form of lower grades, and later consequences). [1] I say 'brought up' but I don't think this kind of racism isn't coming from their parents. All of the black parents I know would LOVE for their kids to do better in school, and would quickly throw away the notion that doing so is 'acting white'. |
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It's actually just another "black on black" crime....sad really. But..... If I was a mother with a child on either side of that conversation....... I'd "smack the black right off of 'em" as a dear friend of mine would say  She raised 3 boys and 2 girls. Poverty is the enemy, but stupidity you bring on yourself! |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 10/14/14 08:36 AM
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And a peeved Bill Cosby had this to say!
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa ..... I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid. I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! ! With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.. We cannot blame the white people any longer.' ~Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed..D. And it is not about color either, white, black or green the way they talk and write is awful. Before you all pile up on me,I have lived half my Life in a predominantly black Nation,seen things,heard things!
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Edited by
michelake
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Tue 10/14/14 09:48 AM
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Well i cannot judge over what you have witnessed in your life.
I have never lived in a society like you claim to have been on. And it has clearly shaped your judgement. Maybe if i was in the same circumstances as you have been. Then it would have coloured my judgement also. But i feel very lucky that i am not. I think that when people get exposed to things that they feel that are bad for them. That their judgement gets "Ill". And it will be much harder for them to judge in a more "objective" way. Instead of pointing to people. We should be an example to them. And letting them realise that the USA is one nation. And that there are chances for everyone to develop themselves. Let them realise that education is a good thing. But if society tells people that they can only work at a Wallmart, Mc Donalds or join the Army. Then it is not really motivating people either. No Urban renewal is not helping either. When people live in an area with liquor stores and gun shops. In an empoverished neighbourhood. My initial point in this discussion is that when you put these kind of articles here. Then they will only offend people that DO want to make a change. And that where successful in life. And that really no one benefits from bringing these issues up. By the way.. Why do you say on the other forum that you are active on. That you live in Zurich Switzerland ? |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 10/14/14 09:56 AM
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Well i cannot judge over what you have witnessed in your life. I have never lived in a society like you claim to have been on. And it has clearly shaped your judgement. Maybe if i was in the same circumstances as you have been. Then it would have coloured my judgement also. But i feel very lucky that i am not. I think that when people get exposed to things that they feel that are bad for them. That their judgement gets "Ill". And it will be much harder for them to judge in a more "objective" way. By the way.. Why do you say on the other forum that you are active on. That you live in Zurich Switzerland ? yeah,so? Because I Live In Zurich!   And I live in Zurich on this Forum too,and on the Other Forums as well! You need to put your Conspiracy Theories about where I live to rest!Le's make it easy,I moved back to Switzerland in '05,on account of Health-Issues! Why would you think my 36 years in the Westindies were negative?  Pretty presumptuous! So,stop putting words in my Mouth! You definitely do not have Clue about my Life there! Was a great time,and if my Health hadn't gone South,I doubt I would have moved back here! Zurich that is! |
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Well Zurich Zwitserland does not really sound like a place to find a concentration of Afro Americans. And if you lived in the USA before. Then maybe the place that coloured your judgement. Is in a much different state now.
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Well Zurich Zwitserland does not really sound like a place to find a concentration of Afro Americans. And if you lived in the USA before. Then maybe the place that coloured your judgement. Is in a much different state now. so,you really think I owe you any explanations! BTW,the Westindies are quite a Conglomerate of People of African Descent! WTF are you harping about some clouded Judgement of mine? Please refrain from that Crap,or give some examples,don't just blab and blab!
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Edited by
michelake
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Tue 10/14/14 10:15 AM
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@ Conrad_73
Your quote : "Why would you think my 36 years in the Westindies were negative?laugh Pretty presumptuous! So,stop putting words in my Mouth!" Lol ! You where the one that just made a page full of assumptions. And what on earth made you suddenly say that you where in the Westindies ? That is totally irrelevant. You claim to know or been exposed to the Black culture so much. Your quote : "Before you all pile up on me,I have lived half my Life in a predominantly black Nation,seen things,heard things! " Ah.. so you where refering to the Westindies then or ?? Sorry but that sounds totally irrelevant to me then. So you DO have no experience whatsoever being in an area with the majority of afro americans in it. In the USA. Don't claim your an expert on it then... |
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@ Conrad_73 Your quote : "Why would you think my 36 years in the Westindies were negative?laugh Pretty presumptuous! So,stop putting words in my Mouth!" Lol ! You where the one that just made a page full of assumptions. And what on earth made you suddenly say that you where in the Westindies ? That is totally irrelevant. You claim to know or been exposed to the Black culture so much. Your quote : "Before you all pile up on me,I have lived half my Life in a predominantly black Nation,seen things,heard things! " Ah.. so you where refering to the Westindies then or ?? Sorry but that sounds totally irrelevant to me then. So you DO have no experience being in a predominantly black Nation. Don't claim your an expert on it then yes,I do have a bit experience,about 36 years of it,and it is mainly positive! Never claimed I was an Expert! Don't know wtf you reading! But your comprehension isn't so good! So from the Top again! I have lived and Worked in the Bahamas,which is smack in the middle of the Westindies,for 36 years! So only God knows what you are blabbing about! And more than ninety percent of the population of that Commonwealth is of African Descent,which is simply a Fact,and anything else you read into this only exists in your Imagination!
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Yes, it is an act of racism for one black kid to tell another black kid, "You shouldn't do that because white people do that."
It is true that such anti-white racism doesn't directly affect white people, but it is still harmful to the ones who practice it. How big of a problem this form of racism is I do not know. However, as long as it exists, its existence should be acknowledged. It won't go away by attempting to sweep it under the proverbial rug. |
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Yes, it is an act of racism for one black kid to tell another black kid, "You shouldn't do that because white people do that." It is true that such anti-white racism doesn't directly affect white people, but it is still harmful to the ones who practice it. How big of a problem this form of racism is I do not know. However, as long as it exists, its existence should be acknowledged. It won't go away by attempting to sweep it under the proverbial rug.  It definitely is a foolish attitude,and counterproductive to the very ones who practice it! Probably one of the reasons Bill Cosby wrote that little Piece! Sad to watch People with potential self-destruct because of some ill-conceived Notions! |
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