well as long as I don't come out wrong.!!... I'm all good with it..lmao

You're wrong ... there a Goddess ... ask any pagan

there must be, I'm looking at one right now...^^^

Good recovery with a compound flirt! 25 points.

I haven't read enough crappy romance novels, to keep up with the debate in this thread.

.. Thanks.. . I was feeling it was worth more like 20.points... looking for the silver, not the gold..lol..

caught me totally off guard , I was tongue tied for a min, which is quite something, so I'd say it's good for gold!
But .. since you love silver so much, as do I, let's stick to that

As far as the roles; go what happens when the one of the spouses die? We need to be more self sufficient. Men can't be depended on to take care or protect their wives and children as we live in a very uncertain world as 911 has proved. Death, job losses, injuries are a factor that we must think of. Women are mostly working now because men simply can't afford to take care of their families due to the high cost of living. As a couple you not only need to work together but need to learn each other's roles as times have changed and we must be more realistic on how we live our lives.

I view marriage and relationship as a partnership. each one has different strengths but neither one is more than the other. to say obey creates a situation if superiority and inferiority.
how far are you willing to take this? how much are you willing to be submissive and at what cost?
furthermore, if you have children and his ideas if their best interests don't match yours, are you going to blindly obey rather than find common ground?
ultimately, the choice is yours. wish you the best

Now.. damn it....


..jk

Yes.. another sandwich please..lol..

why? are your hands broken?
if they aren't, I'd like one too.

that would be my answer

Jk Blondie that's what I like about you..... You always say it like it is.....{ ducking out of the way.... Swish ... That was close } jk

and that's why I don't call it obey, I call it balanced because that's exactly what it is. in a balanced marriage the man would not be talking to his wife like that he would ask nicely. ( why would you marry a man who was like that) and in the balanced marriage the wife takes lead role looking after the home and the kids but while they are at work and school she might go and get herself a little part time job to have a little extra money so she can spoil the family at Christmas ( so its not so much of a struggle for the husband) a wife in the balanced marriage belongs to her family as does the husband so everything you do you do with the best interests of the family at the heart. in the balanced marriage the husband can ask the wife for a cup of tea and a sandwich without fear of his head being bitten of because what he does for her pales in comparison to a little sandwich. if the husband were to die young the children would have learnt the core meaning of family from how the parents were with each other so now its not a balanced marriage its a balanced family with the mother as the head of the family and she is to be obeyed.

It's interesting that you're now so interested in taking a traditional approach to marriage and its traditional roles, after taking such the non-traditional - albeit increasingly common - route of having children before getting married.


Good luck with that...I've read posts from many single mothers who complain that they have a difficult time finding men interested in forming a relationship with them simply because they have kids they're still raising, let alone being able to find *A Good Man* who will.

Rumor has it some men have even taken to writing columns and having radio shows advising other men to stay away from single mothers.

its amazing how many single mothers there are out there who are single mothers because the men in there lives could not cope with having children, this is the reason women are so much more stronger and able to keep families running smoothly. these single moms should be cherished and admired because some of the most amazing people on earth have come from them. children are amazing it does not matter how they entered the world they are still amazing and if the mothers of these children are loving and caring and can care for there children and bring them up good she herself is amazing. this is what can make or break a woman, raising children. this is why im so proud to have mine they are a credit to me and every single mother out there should feel the same. me and my brothers and sisters were abused as children and in our teens, I have scars on my legs from when she beat me with wire, she beat me because I wet the bed, she beat me for talking to anyone outside the house, I was not allowed to play out with friends or come downstairs when she was there unless it was to eat or talk to my dad. she would come into my room at night and start beating me for no reason, and she would call me a s**t and a w**re and she said I would burn in hell. I then went to school and got severely bullied Monday to Friday because I was shy and was scared to talk to people. when I turned 18 I was thrown out literally on the street with 2 black bags. I met a lovely man who I became friends with we had a relationship and I thought he treated me quite well even though I had bruises all over me from the beatings he gave me. we had children and everything was lovely until the kids went to bed and he would take out the days frustrations on me. i found a friend went to church got some strength not from the god stuff but from myself seeing couples that loved each other and not all Disney but real respect and I thought wow. with the new strength and self worth I found punched him in the balls got rid of him went and had a makeover started a new happy life with my kids as a single mom and now im me. by the way my dad beat my mum for years before she had me. so if I can believe marriage can still work and actually be happy even if you have kids already even if you a single mom even if your fat or thin then anyone can. the reason im not married is because this is me and my kids time to shine I make clothes my girl is going to excel at the piano and horse riding and my son can read a book and then recite the book back to you all this with a single mom. not all single moms are the same and some do better on there own than with the dad there.

by the any man would be lucky to have us

Okay, all abused women will have a problem with the word "obey".

There is no reason that you HAVE to be married to have balance at this point. Would you be able to afford $$ for a divorce if you happened to pick the same type of abuser? It generally keeps happening until you realize how to stop allowing it. You should be more protective of yourself and your kids now. Abused women unknowingly have a flashing sign on their forehead that say, "Predator, pick me!". I know, I have one.

You do not need a marriage guarantee, to eventually complete your family to be balanced.

Couldn't you be happy with someone who promised to cherish you, in cohabitation, who became a father figure for your children?

It's about respect, trust, loyalty, love..values....not vows made in a religious church. Those are society's skewed values.