It disappeared! Vanished! Gone!

Any clue what happened anyone?

DAM NATION - I JUST FRIGGIN TYPED FOR A 40 MINUTE REPLY TO ELJAY AND IT'S GONE ------ POOOFFFF - SHEIT!

WHAT A WASTE - I have to do homework.

Hi Viol- nice reply to Eljay about the gun thing.

arghhhh

Take it as a sign to move on and let things mellow for a while.

Take further responses to e-mails if you feel it's necessary =)

Oh, and happy homeworking, red, sorry your response ate up so much time

Hi 'redy',

Ship your reply here!!! I want to read it!

I was working on one also.

But still wonder what happened.

'shaman' may have a point though! Butstill want to read your reply 'redykeulous'!!!

:)

'redy',

Salient points why it still fresh in your mind will be most acceptable!!!

:)

I wonder if 'who started the topic' requested its deletion? I don't think he was happy to have his name associated with such discussion. So I won't put it in this text either.

It's a shame though - in a time when it's of the utmost importance that everyone take a stand about the equality of our laws that anyone should feel disgust when it's brought up for debate. Especially if that one has a lifetime in which to benefit from legislature that could assure his future.

I will still debate and will still fight, because I have a son who is 23, works two jobs, is in college and gay or not I would want his future to include equality.

SisterS - there is no moving on, there are only short breathers.

Thanks Voil - decided to rewrite, as you said, while it's fresh in my blood and my mind. Back soon.

I have a feeling that the "fight" for equality will last well beyond my life time. My goal each day is simple to help others see on more even, grounded terms.

An agreement to disagree? A utopia, that would be, humanity working together without major conflicts? Speaking of which, has anyone read "The Fifth Sacred Thing," by Starhawk? She makes it seem so possible

Not that I figured it would make any difference with the more fanatical views, but it is remarkable to realize how straight forward and simple the word is from the Christian God and from his son Jesus, as characterized by Christians themselves. There is no need for twisted sophysms and manipulative misinterpretation.

It all seems to be summed up here:
"...Love of God and love of our neighbors are two aspects of the same calling."

Who needs to twist that!!!


Here is the long version from :
http://www.christianbiblereference.org/

"... And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." (NAS, Mark 12:28-31)

In Jesus' teachings, our relationship with our fellow men, women and children is inseparable from our relationship with God. Love of God and love of our neighbors are two aspects of the same calling..."

End of subject poeple.
Bottom line.
Nothing to add, nothing to take away, nothing to explain, nothing to interpret!!!

May love be the root of all thing, and true love the thing that drives us all

Arg... Just typed a massive response to Voile - and it vanished! Ah well. Will attempt it again at another time.

Voil wrote:
“Any clue what happened anyone?”

I have no clue why it was deleted but I do know that it contained a lot of untrue slanderous personal accusations directly specifically at me by another uncouth member.

However, I neither reported the member nor the thread, so I’m at a lost to understand why it was deleted too. Unless the mods recognized the unwarranted personal attack. But if that was the case you’d think they’d ban the uncouth slanderous member too.

So maybe Red is right in thinking that the originator requested its deletion?

Thank God it's gone

"I have no clue why it was deleted but I do know that it contained a lot of untrue slanderous personal accusations directly specifically at me by another uncouth member.

However, I neither reported the member nor the thread, so I’m at a lost to understand why it was deleted too. Unless the mods recognized the unwarranted personal attack. But if that was the case you’d think they’d ban the uncouth slanderous member too. "

FYI: Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Have a good one.

I have no clue Voil!!! Waving to ya shugar!!!

Spider wrote:
“FYI: Slander is spoken, libel is written.”

Thank you for sharing your views on semantics Spider.

By the way, it has recently become clear to me that the uncouth libelous member has not been banned. So that hypothesis goes right out the window.

Eljay,

Should you find your way to this topic I would like to continue with your line of reasoning.

I don't think I can say it any clearer than Voil did when he wrote.

"When one's compares someone 'choosing' to 'act on' buying a gun with the intent to kill someone, and someone presumably 'choosing' to 'act on' a natural sexual act (homosexuality), I find the fuzzy logic to be grossly mischaracterizing, and subliminally 'devious'.
To suggest it is a 'preference' IMO is totally unsupported but inconsequential. To compare the 'acting on the urge' for a natural sexual act between two consenting adults, and the worse of all tribal instinct to kill another human being, is a gross mischaracterization, and irrecevable."

NOW TO CONTINUE:
Let me suggest to you that you suddenly find yourself in a country who considers all concepts of open Christianity, a form of psychological abnormality. For this reason congregation, such as church affiliations are risky business.

Suddenly the laws that were extended to you through marriage through your church are no longer valid. In order to be considered for all the benefits of the laws of ‘civil union’ you must now go to the state and sign an affidavit denying your religious convictions and then proceed with legal documentation with regards to your ‘civil union’ with your chosen partner.

Now – you don’t HAVE to do this, of course; however, if you don’t you will loose tax benefits, medical privilege with regards to your family, possibly even your children, and all inheritance rights, and any rights extended in any domestic situation, as you are obviously not a qualified domestic partnership.

Further, if you risk being affiliated with any church, you risk loosing your home, you also risk loosing your job and I hope no one beats the hell out of you or partner or your children because in a court of law, the blame can be easily switched to you or your family member. Those extreme Christian evangelist people are always forcing themselves on others, if they only knew when to stop, then there would be no such violence – case dismissed.

Let’s also hope that you are not caught praying over your sick child in their hospital bed, you just may diminish the care that might otherwise save that child’s life. Don’t consider a law suit, remember you CHOSE not to deny your religion, you CHOSE not to be bonded in a ‘civil union’ recognized by the state or the Federal government, and therefore, you have no rights over that child’s medical treatment, as you have no proof that you are the father. And besides that, you were caught ‘praying’, that in itself, shows that you are psychologically imbalanced.

So I ask you Eljay – make a choice, your religion or protection under the laws. And let me ask you, how exactly do you think such oppression would affect you, psychologically, physically? Your family?

You submit that homosexual behavior is a CHOICE; I submit that while the actions of homosexual behavior are a choice they are driven by forces that are either physiological or biological in nature, and no different than the same choice of heterosexual choices.

I also submit that religious conviction is a CHOICE and it is not driven by anything other than a personal belief.

Yet so overwhelming was the need for people to be able to have THAT CHOICE, of religious conviction, that they risked everything, including their lives and the lives of their family, just to come to a country that allowed freedom to worship as they would.

Why is it so very difficult to say that the CHOICE to live as a homosexual is any less intense, any less of a struggle, any less important?

The laws of this country make your life bearable, that can not be said of the citizens of this country who are not extended the equality under those laws.

It behooves all citizens to close the gap that allows such discrimination. I’ve said it a hundred times in these posts and I’ll say yet again. Any gap that is allowed to exist in the extension of equality under our laws is a gap that could, someday, include you. (Please re-read how) my scenario need not apply, read the history books about this country and how it came to be.

Abra.... :)

Eljay... Keep it coming!

Barb... Waving right back!

Redy... Love ya!

Sister Shama... Love ya ta!

'Red',

Truly inspiring! So faboulously well balanced, void of spite, or personal attack and judgement, and yet drives the homerun of homeruns!!! (not a gang-up here Eljay. This is as good as a debate gets!)


Unfortunately 'redykeulous', there is ONE PART I don't agree with at all!











You wrote:

"... I don't think I can say it any clearer than Voil did when he wrote..."

:)