I am STILL WAITING on an answer from you on my ORIGINAL question here. Have a blessed day!! from the little "HONKIE GIRL"

Fri 09/28/07 07:38 AM
a crime is a crime

why does it have to distinguished as hate crime

agian the distraction of pitting the people against one another

as to distract them from what is really going on

as said above

idiots are still idiots

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Fri 09/28/07 10:16 AM
Mikey117

as long as there are differences pointed out

then that way of thinking gets entrenched even deeper

thus the reason for the law -- read my previous post

all crime should be treated as hate crime

if you liked them you would not be committing the crime to begin with

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just had to repost such good thoughts

Adj4u wrote:
"a crime is a crime
why does it have to distinguished as hate crime
agian the distraction of pitting the people against one another
as to distract them from what is really going on"

fanta wrote
"Just another useless law added to the books. Something to make someone think they accomplished something special, or gave them a forum to advertise their cause!"

adj and fanta, you would think that crime is well defined, but in the case of those who are not protected under ALL the laws, some crimes are not considered crime simply because they affect poeple who society sees as degenerate. I KNOW you both hold an opinion that is basically 'to each their own'. But OUR OWN must be in line with the laws we are all committed to live under.
PLEASE, take moment to review the following.

Equality under the law means; equal protection, equal treatment,that each is granted full benefit from the law in like manner with every other citizen.

Those of you who think there are ‘special rights’ requested I’d like to remind you that just a few short years ago, June of 2003 that the Supreme Court of the United States, struck down all laws that prohibit sex between consenting gay adults.

You don’t think that just happened because someone noticed gay people were being oppressed. Hell no, those gay people had to fight a long hard battle to be entitled to the same ‘adult consensual sex’ as every other citizen. Why would anyone think that is a ‘special request’? Yet you view the ongoing battle for such 'small' values as rediculeous.

Further for anyone who wonders what the big deal is, the big deal is that the GLBT community is NOT entitled to over 1000 laws that every other citizen in the U.S. benefits from. Most of these issues include basic human rights and being excluded from these rights, gives every state in the union the option, the ability to create laws within the state that are discriminatory. YES it is rediculous (there is a reason my screen name is Redykeulous).

The inaction or resistance of the Federal government to correct these gross injustices, that allow the open door for further injustice at the state level, feeds the acceptence of bigotry into the general public. The actions of this bigotry on a social level can’t be fought, because the state allows it, because the Federal government refuses to extend the same rights to the GLBT people as given to every other citizen. Circular isn't it?

A partial list:
• Employment
• Housing
• Marriage
• Immigration
• Adoption/Foster Care
• Child Custody
• Insurance and Benefits
• Medical privilege
• Domestic Violence Protection
• Military
• Ageing & Financial burdens

These are not inconsequential issues, these are not outrageous requests, they are not meant to single this group out. What many see as a flagrant attempt to be recognized, just because of their differences, is in fact a minority in a massive struggle against many fronts.

The battle is not in one theatre, it is in our neighborhood, it’s within the City codes, within the State laws, and it’s all condoned by the Federal laws that allow such discrimination and bigotry to exist.

YES, we are seen and heard on many levels and yes we demand the right to be heard. And to those who are not victims of inequality, you view this as a theatrical preformance.

Well fellas - flip the switch, light the theater and SEE what is illimuniated. YOUR FREEDOMS are not secure as long as any group of people in this United States are considered less than equal under it's laws.

Still waiting Gary to my original question...what? its OK to LABEL ME a "HONKEY"???? that would make YOU a REVERSE RACIST. Am i right members???

EVERY crime is a hate crime. My house was broken into by 4 white guys in January. They sure didn't do it because they liked me.

gary's busy posting as the communist....


i'd bail if i were you

Knoxman,

Like others you are misinfomed about the legal system, first of all you answered your own issue. In your case the break-in was merely vandalism. Probably because the nature of the crime did not include any indication of hate, nor did you or do you have reason to believe it was an action against you personally. It also did have the appearnce of escalating into anything that hinder or alter your otherwise normal life.

If, however, your car is vandalized in the parking lot of your work, and slurrs of homosexuality are strewn over that car, and you happen to be a teacher. Is it simply vandalism, by some mischievious students, or is it a specific crime of hate through prejudice. And now that everyone has seen it, what scrutiny will your life now be under?

And if in the wake of that vandalism you are fired, for apparently no reason, or the reasons are not consistant with your work history or ethics, then, what recourse do you have? Legal action may bring to light what you fight to hide - that you are a homosexual, and likey you would not win, because, once this is brought out it opens the door for others to voice their fears about you teaching 'children'. Insead you live in fear, because there is little course of action left to you, and if you're lucky you references will not hinder your getting future employment.

A crime of vandalism against anyone, is held in the same regard.
But a crime of hate is often dismissed as mere vandalism OR WORSE, it alerts others to the possiblility that you are a homosexual, and in a great many communities those who serve to protect are just as bigoted as those who defile. Furthermore, they are "allowed" to dismiss the crime of hate as mere vandalism, because the law does not recognise bigotry for the crime it really is.

Without due course available in the justice system, any crime of hate can be dismissed or devalued, thereby leaving pathways for even greater violence.

In this country murder is murder, and any violence that causes bodily harm,likewise,holds certain penalties according to the nature of the actions and reasons for those actions. If a hate crime leads to murder, or physical harm, without hate crime laws in place, there is room for the defence to point to the victim and their very nature as a homosexual as an EXCUSE for their actions.

The purpose of hate crime legislation is two-fold.

First it's one step closer to substantiation by this government that homosexuals can not be discriminated against for being homosexual.

Secondly, providing a law that allows HATE to be a motive in a violent crime dismisses the victims nature as having any responsibilty in the actions of their abusers. This is in no way different than what the mainstream majority already have.

A black person walking in a white neighborhood, or a white person walking in a black neighborhood, or a gay person having a drink in a bar, none of whom present a threat, is suddenly approached by others and the conflict that ensues becomes violent and destructive to life and limb of the minority person. WHAT IS THE CRIME?

For there to be a crime there must be established motive. Unless the motive is ALLOWED under the law to be a motive of hate, than the issues surrounding the crime can be placed on the innocent victim.

This is not the way this court system should view such crimes. With legislature that allows the legal system to use hate and prejudice as motives, we are able to STOP the continuance and acceptance of bigotry in this country. Without such legislature people are set free, because it simply becomes a hearsay case.

This is the importance of creating such legislature.

Hey, Redy ,

It wasn't merely vandalism. Over $5000 in personal items were stolen from my house while I was at work trying to earn a living. I know exactly who did it, these bastards were responsible for four break-ins within a month. Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not they thought I was a great guy or a piece of s***. The fact remains, every crime can in some way or another be considered a hate crime. I could care less whether the robbers were white, black,green or whatever.

And now I'm REALLY gonna open up a can of worms:

To anyone who follows the media--why is white on black crime always referred to as a "hate crime", yet black on white crime not, according to the media?

Thank you Knoxman

The N word is not okay touse or say to ALL blacks..
I for one think it is a very derogatory term and will set anyone straight that uses that word in my presence...

The media shows that it's okay for one African American person to say it to another...

it's even potrayed that way in music videos, (which I don't waste my time watching), because most women are viewed a sexually objects and NOT as HUMAN beings....

The N word is a racist slur no matter who utters it from their lips!

Not defending rap music here(personally, I can't stand rap), but ALL videos, rock, country, what have you, women are treated as sexual objects, eye candy, posessions, whatever you want to call it.

Glad you said your last sentence, heartSoul . Wrong is wrong, no matter who's saying it.

By the way, I'm STILL waiting for an apology from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for convicting the Duke Lacrosse players even before their trial. I think I've got a lifetime of waiting ahead of me

heartsoul NO OFFENSE is being sent your way. I was clearly LABELED A "HONKIE". Now WHERE is the difference between being as a WHITE WOMAN a "HONKIE" or as an african american "NIGGER"?? Am i correct here girl? Yes i am. Either way ITS WRONG. BUT i want to hear Gary explain why its OK to label US. Gary i AM still waiting on a reply.

I dont care what you call me, just dont call me late for dinner!!!

I got yer dinner fanta!!!!

and a biscuit for the doggie too!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

I'm just NOT!!! HORNEY for you little sister...


Just to make this Clear,Since I am White, I might be a Honky and when I posted this FORUM, there were clearly NO RESPONDENTS, YET...

So I did not direct my racial slure toward anyone,I was simply talking about myself...

I find it very strange in a Backwood kind of way,that any one could take a slure directed at myself as an insult...

But one never knows how peole of the eastern united states might respond to words written by a wayward California Gent...

I hate stupid people. Does that make me prejudice?

To hate STUPID PEOPLE is redundant,because we are all Stupid People,it's all part of the human experiance...


Prejudice is part of your Arian Birthright,that and the Iron Cross on your Scooter Jacket...


As I view it from my slightly RED NECK prospective...

excerpt from reds post

If, however, your car is vandalized in the parking lot of your work, and slurrs of homosexuality are strewn over that car, and you happen to be a teacher. Is it simply vandalism, by some mischievious students, or is it a specific crime of hate through prejudice. And now that everyone has seen it, what scrutiny will your life now be under?

And if in the wake of that vandalism you are fired, for apparently no reason, or the reasons are not consistant with your work history or ethics, then, what recourse do you have? Legal action may bring to light what you fight to hide - that you are a homosexual, and likey you would not win, because, once this is brought out it opens the door for others to voice their fears about you teaching 'children'. Insead you live in fear, because there is little course of action left to you, and if you're lucky you references will not hinder your getting future employment.

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it is vandalism and should be prosecuted as vandalism
why should they have a higher degree of protection than the
straight teacher who gets their car vandalized

the hate aspect makes some better than others under the law

and if said person gets fired from their job after said incident
that is what civil courts are for

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again this is a way to keep the "people" at odds as to distract them from the underlying current in the political arena

there are plenty of laws on the books

it is getting them enforced equally that is the problem

it is illegal to drag anyone behind your truck

and if ya do it to a purple person you should get the same punishment that you would get if you done it to a green person

but if ya do it to your dog ya get fined and 6 months but not the same as it being a person

or everyone that eats meat should be given that penalty as well

but hey what do i know

from reds post


A black person walking in a white neighborhood, or a white person walking in a black neighborhood, or a gay person having a drink in a bar, none of whom present a threat, is suddenly approached by others and the conflict that ensues becomes violent and destructive to life and limb of the minority person. WHAT IS THE CRIME?

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the crime is assault

if they strike the person it then become battery as well

like i said the law is there it just needs enforced

and the jurisdictional law enforcement agency should be held accountable if it is not