it isn't about 'gangsta rap' , its really about the value that society in general places on women and whether women continue to participate in and accept such a value system,,,,,,or whether some will encourage a more self respecting value system that goes beyond how sexy our behind is or how big our breasts are,,,,or how much lust we can inspire in a man,,,,,

such images are not unique to 'gangata rap' they are present in country, rock and roll, and pop as well,,,,

First of all, her rant IS rapped, so yeah, covering her head and scrubbing her face is not going to change the fact that "her" chosen method of delivery is targeted ...In fact, she is doing exactly what she "preaches" against...Plus, the real truth about the "value" society places on women is all around us...In the work force, women now outnumber men...Colleges and grad schools graduated more women than men, women have a big political voice and make up the largest voter group in the country, women build and control wealth...Like I said earlier, her words carry some hard truth, but to devalue men in order to make a point about how society, as a whole, devalues women is hypocritical and will, at best, be a wash when it comes to effecting change...Her message does have substantial "entertainment" value though so It might get her one step closer to celebrity status and/or financial gain....

Gangsta rap is popular.

Violence against women and others is revered.

They Mamas allow they kids to idolize the demons spewing the trash.

I didn't read anywhere in the poem where men were devalued at all. I read specific behaviors being questioned.

I believe changing even one person, which starts with getting them to think, 'effects' change.

and the fact that women achieve IN SPITE Of is about women controlling their lives which is a great thing

but still doesn't in any way mean there is no need to address all those situations where women ARE being objectified and devalued,

(particularly for the sake of our YOUNGER women, who I am not sure are largely represented in these areas you mentioned,,)


which is common throughout MEDIA, even if women still are able to do the work of overcoming that image in the areas where women are succeeding,,,,


And as parts of my body were assessed and sized
I thought,”What a way to be dehumanized,”


,,,not a behavior EXCLUSIVE To any genre of music,,,,I could list others that she brings up IN ADDITION to the b term that is mostly found in gangsta rap

Why didn't you post this in the music forum, or the philosophy forum, or even the politics forum. I'm failing to see what this really has to do with dating and relationships, as such.

There isn't much more that I can say about it. I don't like rap music or third rate unoriginal poets. It's showbiz and like it or not, certain types of music are erotic and people dance to it and it isn't highbrow music and nobody really gives a shiney shite about Biance's brain. I bet you don't even like the movie Dirty Dancing or Latin dancing, which is extremely erotic and those women look hot and nothing wrong with that.

Tawt,,, I put it in relationships because I see it as a message about the relationship between men and women

I agree certain types of music are erotic, and that's fine. The issue is whether SO Much of all music needs to be so suggestive and objectifying of women.

Dancing is a different matter, between two consenting adults or even with one consenting adult in ADULT environments or environments strictly about dancing,, and yeah I love all types of dance too

but I wouldn't see a strip tease in front of an audience filled with kids, in the same light as a sensual dance in front of an audience who is aware of the content of what they will watch before they watch it,,,,context is important


I do feel it is tragic that young ladies are growing up to believe their value is in what their measurements are or how 'desirable' a man finds them or how much a man might want to have sex with them,,,

I do feel that is tragic, whatever the reason,,,,

and I feel the young ladies message, which pertains to what we accept reflecting how we will be treated,, to be very poignant

and for those who enjoy being treated that way, it doesn't apply,,,

Yeah, that was a pretty poignant eye opener as to what we've became to view as acceptable, and what we allow to invade the minds of our youth. This music promotes a view of men, women, and love and sex that undoubetedly will affect how boys and girls see themseleves and their roles in relationships.

My neighbor has two daughters junior high and high school age. They were listening to this crap when I was there the other day. Words I got my mouth washed out with soap for saying at their age blaring from the speakers, the girls copying the dancing, which could only be described as vulgar, and their mom was amused by it. I just shook my head in disbelief, came home and turned up my 50s-60 oldies, music that didn't make me blush or feel dirty, like this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNA8b-6L2E

Or this one...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiiyq2xrSI0

ya know lil, I feel ya and I feel the young lady in the op

I understand everyone is different and not everyone feels offended and some even feel flattered,,,and such people will miss the point of the op who spoke about HER feelings

for those who have a different idea of what 'self respect' entails, and who want to be valued for more than their measurements , I can empathize with what seems like a lack of musical choice (Besides religious music) that paints a picture of them as something other than objects,,,,

Oh come on. There's plenty of music out there apart from religious music that isn't overtly sexual. Some people will be offended by just about anything but this really is about rap music and it's really tenious to try to say that all music is telling girls to become crack ho's. You really do have a very limited view about what music is and you do sound like a throwback to a bygone age and probably hate the blues as well, even though that's an original American art form and it is all about life being hard for black people, as well as it being about my baby being a hard headed woman.

Every old fart in the world goes on about the music that young people like being rubbish and it was the same in the fifties and sixties and I listen to plenty of music from that era and a lot of it was contraversial at the time. The last gig I was actually at had a hiphop band opening for the main atraction and there was a female singer and she rapped but nobody could have been offended by it and she didn't take her clothes off.

I can understand that you don't like the gangster rap but the rest of what you're saying about the "devil's music" is nonsense and maybe you should have put this in the religion forum because that's obviously what you want to talk about.

What gangsta culture is ho, pop a cap in yo ***, hey man nig---h?

One clue. It ain't the slapaho tribe.

I haven't said anything about the devil,,lol

I share the opinion of the young woman about what we accept in terms of how we represent ourselves to others and the representations we support,,

that's all


and please stop equating objectifying women to 'black' music or culture

its not exclusive at all,,,

What group represents the majority of women dissing gangsta rap?

lol at a majority of the subjectivism in media



gangsta rap, by name is obviously about GANGSTA behavior, the subjectivism and violence are going to be a given with the GENRE

but long before 'gangsta rap' other forms of music already set the example, and continue to participate


'pour sugar on me'
'closer to God'
'youll be a woman soon',,,,

etc,,etc,, etc,,,


musicians across genre lines participate in the subjectifying of women,,,,

Well, it's just history. You want to talk about young people and before the fifties and rock and roll (which did come from black music and was regarded as such) there just wasn't any teen culture and popular music was tame. You posted a Youtube video that is about black music and everything that people like you complain about does come from black music and I am including white rock bands in that. That's not being racist. It's just a music fan saying that it all goes back to the blues.

"Objectifying women" is not a bad thing in itself. Art galleries are full of nudes and there's a difference between celebrating beauty and slapping a woman around, which is a distinction which you seem unable to grasp.

ok, well, if it is true that all music 'comes from black music'

I guess all the good and bad that exists in music represents the good and bad of 'black culture'



that would make sense, given the first part of the statement is true(not agreeing that it is true though)

on and I very well understand the difference between art, celebrating beauty.

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1Hit 'Em Up - 2Pac


2Real Muthaf****** G's - Eazy-E


3My Mind Playing Tricks On Me - Geto Boys


4Ready to Die - The Notorious B.I.G. Listen to sample

5Straight Outta Compton - N.W.A.


6Da Graveyard - Big L

7Boyz-N-The-Hood (Remix) - Eazy-E
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8F*** tha Police - N.W.A.

10Ghetto Qur'an - 50 Cent

Well, that's good that you respect those rights of others and that doesn't contradict your statements in this thread about it being bad and something that you don't want them to get involved with.

Plenty of nudes that were painted by famous artists were of prostitutes BTW and you are splitting hairs because the Venus De Milo is still getting her boobs out. All of this does simply boil down to what you personally are offended by and apparently that's just about everything.

You know perfectly well that "all music" is not black music. This is about modern popular music having its roots in black music and old fogies getting all bent out of shape about how it corrupts youth and is a bad influence, although you will obviously grant that it isn't really a problem because people have the right to like it and everything is groovy.

ok,,,,

song lists?


I don't agree that mind playing tricks is a gangsta rap , if we are 'ranking'

its actually more of a song which paints a terrifying picture of drug abuse than one that glorifies 'gangsta' behavior,,,

the others, ywah, they are the perspectives of the individuals rapping based upon their own experiences