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Im surprised no one has blamed feminism yet. haha. thats usually what naturally happens. As if chivalry was to pay a woman less than a man for the same job. Someone did (as he always does): After the women's liberation movement of the 1960s, which insisted on the equal treatment of women in all domains of life, feminists dismissed chivalry as sexist. They still do... In order for "chivalry" TO exist, it requires that men see women as "lesser than" creatures TO themselves. Thanks, but no thanks on "chivalry". People being decent to one another regardless of their sex or based simply on the odds of having sex, is quite good enough for me. No where did I say less, nor do most men say less. In some areas different. Couldn't keep up with how you turned all the men (and many of the women) off on DH? So you haven't changed from from your basic approach. A man will state something and you approach it from a slightly altered direction which gives the opinion that he wants to use women as a carpet. Then quote all of the anti-men feminist hate. You have a real bad reputation in the General Dating Discussion forum back there but then that's your legal right. Have at it! |
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...Couldn't keep up with how you turned all the men (and many of the women) off on DH? So you haven't changed from from your basic approach. A man will state something and you approach it from a slightly altered direction which gives the opinion that he wants to use women as a carpet. Then quote all of the anti-men feminist hate. You have a real bad reputation in the General Dating Discussion forum back there but then that's your legal right. Have at it! Oh, horrors!!! The idiots who are now running the asylum don't like me, anymore... ...but the *likes* of you are still freely posting your misogyny, completely unfettered?!? HoweverWillIGoOn?!?  *gigglesnort* |
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diss agree i still do this... All I know is, the more I look around, the less I see men treating women the way that we’re raised to. What happened to paying for dinners and drinks? What happened to pulling out chairs and holding doors? What happened to walking on the outside, closest to the street and all that ****? when i can that is , some lady's want to pay there own way (50/50 split till later in the relationship)and trying to open automatic door open for some one (makes me look more of a clown then i all ready am) <shrug> but that is the way i was raised send me a text or a email like this and you are likely to get no answer or stuck on ignore all together ..... When did it become acceptable to just text a girl, inviting her to come bang? its more like 75 to 85 % i had thought... relationships and marriages failing at a 50 percent clip. now this part i have noticed We no longer have to put in the effort of flowers, chocolates, dates, etc., and if we do, we come off as stage-five clingers i all so diss agree with this putting in the bare minimum and receiving what we ultimately want anyway – sex sex is fun don't get me wrong but its not up the high list of what i look for in a lady To me there is so much more to a lady then her female parts but i do agree with a lot of what he said in there seams like a lot of the ladys i run in to. They are just looking for a hook up too take care of there horneyness and off to the next i am really thinking i was born in the wrong era <shrug> Still on the Hunt : ) good post Thanks I just went to a coffee date for a first meet and he was a complete gentleman everything he should be, coffee went to dinner, than back to the house for coffee, I had a great time couldn't believe it. that was my first date off mingle couldn't believe it, was great lasted about 6 hours |
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good topic I do believe the 'hook up' culture kind of diminishes the culture of 'chivalry' to being unnecessary. I also believe that people learn from example and we do have fewer young people raised in homes and environments where women are cherished. I also believe its hard for some to justify cherishing and seeing as equal. I believe alot of the 'feminism' that insists everything be the same for both genders, causes chivalry to be seen as discriminatory and condescending by many. Its a matter of finding partners with similar values. It always has been. |
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"The real problem here is that women, for one reason or another, have become complacent and allowed men to get away with adhering to the bare minimum."
Maybe women "have become complacent" because the rate of domestic violence and rape is increasing. |
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diss agree i still do this... All I know is, the more I look around, the less I see men treating women the way that we’re raised to. What happened to paying for dinners and drinks? What happened to pulling out chairs and holding doors? What happened to walking on the outside, closest to the street and all that ****? when i can that is , some lady's want to pay there own way (50/50 split till later in the relationship)and trying to open automatic door open for some one (makes me look more of a clown then i all ready am) <shrug> but that is the way i was raised send me a text or a email like this and you are likely to get no answer or stuck on ignore all together ..... When did it become acceptable to just text a girl, inviting her to come bang? its more like 75 to 85 % i had thought... relationships and marriages failing at a 50 percent clip. now this part i have noticed We no longer have to put in the effort of flowers, chocolates, dates, etc., and if we do, we come off as stage-five clingers i all so diss agree with this putting in the bare minimum and receiving what we ultimately want anyway – sex sex is fun don't get me wrong but its not up the high list of what i look for in a lady To me there is so much more to a lady then her female parts but i do agree with a lot of what he said in there seams like a lot of the ladys i run in to. They are just looking for a hook up too take care of there horneyness and off to the next i am really thinking i was born in the wrong era <shrug> Still on the Hunt : ) good post Thanks |
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Edited by
valtheponytail35
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Sat 10/04/14 02:20 PM
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"The real problem here is that women, for one reason or another, have become complacent and allowed men to get away with adhering to the bare minimum." Maybe women "have become complacent" because the rate of domestic violence and rape is increasing. Really? where? This is europe. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Crime_trends_in_detail violent crimes line includes rape This is US  OFC there's always India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India#mediaviewer/File:A_trend_chart_-_total_rapes_and_rape_rates_per_100000_people,_India_2001_-_2012.png but I don't live there |
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Edited by
mrld_ii
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Sat 10/04/14 06:01 PM
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"The real problem here is that women, for one reason or another, have become complacent and allowed men to get away with adhering to the bare minimum." Maybe women "have become complacent" because the rate of domestic violence and rape is increasing. Really? where? This is europe. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Crime_trends_in_detail violent crimes line includes rape This is US OFC there's always India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India#mediaviewer/File:A_trend_chart_-_total_rapes_and_rape_rates_per_100000_people,_India_2001_-_2012.png but I don't live there The person who made the post lives in Istanbul; apparently, increasing rapes and domestic rapes ARE on the rise in her world. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanbul-tops-the-list-with-most-rape-cases-in-turkey.aspx?PageID=238&NID=47458&NewsCatID=341 "...Istanbul had the highest number of rape lawsuits at 1,486, as well as 2,488 child abuse incidents and 2,223 sexual abuse cases..." There are other factors that play into it, too...also dependent on where one lives: "...The attitude of the police in many countries often discourages victims from reporting rape: one study in Turkey found that 33% of police officers agreed with the assertion that "some women deserve rape" and 66% agreed that "the physical appearance and behaviors of women tempt men to rape..." http://business.highbeam.com/435388/article-1G1-111635867/turkish-university-students-attitudes-toward-rape Even in England... "...A 2007 British government report says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 percent of rape crimes are never reported to the police..." http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/media/without-consent-20061231.pdf |
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...Couldn't keep up with how you turned all the men (and many of the women) off on DH? So you haven't changed from from your basic approach. A man will state something and you approach it from a slightly altered direction which gives the opinion that he wants to use women as a carpet. Then quote all of the anti-men feminist hate. You have a real bad reputation in the General Dating Discussion forum back there but then that's your legal right. Have at it! Oh, horrors!!! The idiots who are now running the asylum don't like me, anymore... ...but the *likes* of you are still freely posting your misogyny, completely unfettered?!? HoweverWillIGoOn?!? *gigglesnort*. ..... and quote. . sorry I couldn't reach your quote.. . but let's get back to this..^^^^.. . this is an interesting conversation you two are having... please ....continue..... but first let me get the popcorn...  |
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Edited by
no1phD
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Sat 10/04/14 06:46 PM
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yes but of my phone!! its really hard sometimes.. to catch the. Quote..
I do my best !!..but I fail sometimes .... and I can wait.. I have nothing but time... well that and laundry....lol |
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Klc.. you of little faith..lmao
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Chivalry is dead, because most people don't even understand in historical context, what chivalry was. Chivalry, was a very violent and deadly era, based on Chivalric Code, in the name of God and Country. The era of Cavaliers, is the time period that authors, poets, and people in general, get things confused. Study the history. Agreed.  Many confuse chivalry with good manners. When a man holds open a door for me; its just good manners but most people call it chivalry which is wrong.
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I could give a rat's xss about chivalry. I don't need meals paid for me, doors opened for me, gifts bought, etc If a guy does pay or hold a door open for me; I thank him. I will also hold open a door for him or pay for a meal for him without whining about it. Me; I am a human being and want to be treated like that. That doesn't make me less a woman or lady; it makes me human. I don't know why people are making such a big deal over nothing.
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Im surprised no one has blamed feminism yet. haha. thats usually what naturally happens. As if chivalry was to pay a woman less than a man for the same job. Someone did (as he always does): After the women's liberation movement of the 1960s, which insisted on the equal treatment of women in all domains of life, feminists dismissed chivalry as sexist. They still do... In order for "chivalry" TO exist, it requires that men see women as "lesser than" creatures TO themselves. Thanks, but no thanks on "chivalry". People being decent to one another regardless of their sex or based simply on the odds of having sex, is quite good enough for me. Chivalry went out in the days of the Knights. Funny; a man holds a door open; its called chivalry but if a woman holds a door open its called manners. What men were doing since then was manners but they just labeled it as chivalry because it sounds better. I have to agree somewhat with your statement about men seeing women as less. I just hate it when a guy says "let me do it as that is a man's job". Makes me want to puke as that says he thinks I am stupid; or a child; or incapable because I am a woman . I wish people would get in their heads to use simple respect and stop the drama. |
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...Couldn't keep up with how you turned all the men (and many of the women) off on DH? So you haven't changed from from your basic approach. A man will state something and you approach it from a slightly altered direction which gives the opinion that he wants to use women as a carpet. Then quote all of the anti-men feminist hate. You have a real bad reputation in the General Dating Discussion forum back there but then that's your legal right. Have at it! Oh, horrors!!! The idiots who are now running the asylum don't like me, anymore... ...but the *likes* of you are still freely posting your misogyny, completely unfettered?!? HoweverWillIGoOn?!? *gigglesnort* LOL; me thinks this guy is the pot calling the kettle black. |
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chivalry.... where have you gone.?.
. did you disappear ! along with the dragons that we used to slay.. .. in that fair maidens name..no.. . chivalry. where have you gone.?. did you disappear... along with the bricks and mortar.. from castles far long gone..no... . chivalry where have you gone.?. . are there no longer any maidens. whose honor needs defending.. . I believe in this day in age. more needed defending. then ever.. .. chivalry where have you gone... . are there no more heroic deeds.. ... that need to be done....no.. .ohh.. chivalry where have you gone..? .  ... |
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From the article as to why men behave the way they do: "The real problem here is that women, for one reason or another, have become complacent and allowed men to get away with adhering to the bare minimum..." We women are awesome...AND omnipotent!!! *Making* men the way they are today, almost *as if* they have no ability to be who/how/what they are, without our manipulating them into different shapes. Be afraid, men...VERY afraid...lest we women continue *making* you behave in ways you really don't want  Heres a toast to all the omnipotent gals who cant acquire an education, foster dependent relationships with others including men, not be responsible for their own reproductive life ( no unwanted children), take a passive role in life and dating waiting for someone to rescue them from their own limited perspective, encourage men to behave as idiots with no thought of consequences, and then claim to be omnipotent.. |
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From the article as to why men behave the way they do: "The real problem here is that women, for one reason or another, have become complacent and allowed men to get away with adhering to the bare minimum..." We women are awesome...AND omnipotent!!! *Making* men the way they are today, almost *as if* they have no ability to be who/how/what they are, without our manipulating them into different shapes. Be afraid, men...VERY afraid...lest we women continue *making* you behave in ways you really don't want Heres a toast to all the omnipotent gals who cant acquire an education, foster dependent relationships with others including men, not be responsible for their own reproductive life ( no unwanted children), take a passive role in life and dating waiting for someone to rescue them from their own limited perspective, encourage men to behave as idiots with no thought of consequences, and then claim to be omnipotent.. Oh, no woman here has claimed to be "omnipotent"; we have simply agreed with the cited male author's as to his decree that we are. We women, here, are nothing if not agreeable when men are making their *broad*-sweeping decrees. Nice quoting skills, by the way. Effectively pushing buttons while online IS, indeed, tricky business, huh?  |
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I guess if one believes Chivalry is dead then they need to start hanging around different people.
If parents teach their kids to have manners it will follow them in life... Those that I'm around still believe in the same way they were taught as a child.... Men are no different from women when it comes to respect you give it you get it...Remember how to say thank you to those that still believe in opening doors ect... As they say you get what you give... |
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The current generation of kids and new parents aren't as smart as past generations when it comes to respect and manners.
It's the times of sycophantic validation, no one gives back unless they get something back. |
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