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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it.
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Edited by
red6mist
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Fri 07/25/14 03:01 PM
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If you're intelligent and eager to learn, you won't need to accept complicated ideas on faith but on reason.
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. we can not all be intellectuals---one thing i have noticed is that people who are really smart can not ever conceive themselves of ever being wrong or make a mistake--- conservatives are more real than liberals because conservatives do have a moral compass--- 
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To each his own... There is no reason to put others down. My faith has grown since I was told I have cancer... And I'm not giving up on faith..
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To each his own... There is no reason to put others down. My faith has grown since I was told I have cancer... And I'm not giving up on faith.. Way to go, Zippy! May the Force be with you!!! |
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. Atheist philosopher Keith Augustine writes, "In utilizing methodological naturalism, science and history do not assume a priori that, as a matter of fact, supernatural causes don't really exist. There is no conceptual conflict between practicing science or history and believing in the supernatural." [Quote Source: Keith Augustine, Naturalism (Infidels: 2009), http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/nontheism/naturalism/] |
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intellect
the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters. immoral not conforming to accepted standards of morality. morality principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. the most intelligent person can have no morals and the most moral person can be very unintelligent conscience and morals are not a matter of intellect |
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A major function of fundamentalist religion is to bolster deeply insecure and fearful people. This is done by justifying a way of life with all of its defining prejudices. It thereby provides an appropriate and legitimate outlet for one's anger. The authority of an inerrant Bible that can be readily quoted to buttress this point of view becomes an essential ingredient to such a life. When that Bible is challenged, or relativized, the resulting anger proves the point categorically. [Bishop John Shelby Spong, Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism, (San Fransisco: Harper Collins, 1991), p. 5.]
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. intelligent and unintelligent make a CHOICE to believe what binds all the unknown and unexplained together, whether it is a scientific 'theory' , or a religious value whether it is mans documented histories told and retold acorss naations or a biblical history documented and told and retold across generations I am never sure why people attack others intellect based upon their choice to find reason or truth in the bible, when in fact, there is so much that man has yet to discover and so many times man thought he knew and was wrong my question would be , why do people deceive themselves into refusing to believe in the validity of the bible or the presence of God? |
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Biblical higher criticism is preserved in the particular enclave of academic Christian scholarship and is thought to be too unfruitful to share with the average pew-sitter, for it raises more questions than the church can adequately answer. So the leaders of the church would protect the simple believers from concepts they were not trained to understand. In this way that ever-widening gap between academic Christians and the average pew-sitter made its first appearance. [Bishop John Shelby Spong, Resurrection: Myth or Reality? (San Fransisco: HarperCollins, 1994), p. 12.]
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I believe that some things are above human intelligence, I don't go on what others are thinking or feeling in their lives I go by whats in my heart and mind.
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Free will...
That's one thing we all have and we are very much privileged to have this gift. To each his own would be my best answer to this, op. |
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every person has their beliefs. so far nobody has proven my faith wrong.
on the contrary, we've seen miracles in our family that even medical science couldn't explain. there are 2 kids (one of them 21 now the other just turned 7) where the doctors said they wouldn't be able to save child nor mother and the doctors said it wasn't anything medical tgat kept the children and moyhers alive. yet many of us spent the night in prayer. God was merciful and a miracle happened. |
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every person has their beliefs. so far nobody has proven my faith wrong. on the contrary, we've seen miracles in our family that even medical science couldn't explain. there are 2 kids (one of them 21 now the other just turned 7) where the doctors said they wouldn't be able to save child nor mother and the doctors said it wasn't anything medical that kept the children and mothers alive. yet many of us spent the night in prayer. God was merciful and a miracle happened. |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Sat 07/26/14 05:24 AM
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Just as it's a leap of faith for a religious person to assert that God incontrovertibly exists, it's an equally large leap for a strict atheist to declare, without question, that God does not exist. As Carl Sagan eloquently explained:
"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed". - Ross Pomeroy, assistant editor of RealClearScience |
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I've even had agnostics and atheists request I pray for them...I wonder why? Could it be because there came a time when they needed more than what science could provide the answers to? I, also, have experienced absolute miracles in my life and in the lives of friends and acquaintances, when science said lives could not be saved definitively, yet because of prayer, they were. I am a good example of that type of miracle and so is my daughter. By the way, I have faith and yet I am an intellectual who has spent many years doing research into religious beliefs and historical data in ancient scripts, so I'm not "a pew-sitter". I also have a moral and ethical code I live by as well as values. They are values I have chosen for myself without having religion dictate what they should be, though some of my values may be found in various religious beliefs.
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. intelligent and unintelligent make a CHOICE to believe what binds all the unknown and unexplained together, whether it is a scientific 'theory' , or a religious value whether it is mans documented histories told and retold acorss naations or a biblical history documented and told and retold across generations I am never sure why people attack others intellect based upon their choice to find reason or truth in the bible, when in fact, there is so much that man has yet to discover and so many times man thought he knew and was wrong my question would be , why do people deceive themselves into refusing to believe in the validity of the bible or the presence of God? Scientific theory A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Wikipedia |
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My thoughts exactly, Jacktrades. You're a pretty decent sort of chap if I may say so.
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If a belief creates the impetus in any individual to be more kind to other living creatures and the earth, I don't care what it is - do that thing.
By the way, I have no faith or religion, and I agree with Anton LaVey's rules for Satanism. Just saying. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 07/26/14 01:04 PM
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. intelligent and unintelligent make a CHOICE to believe what binds all the unknown and unexplained together, whether it is a scientific 'theory' , or a religious value whether it is mans documented histories told and retold acorss naations or a biblical history documented and told and retold across generations I am never sure why people attack others intellect based upon their choice to find reason or truth in the bible, when in fact, there is so much that man has yet to discover and so many times man thought he knew and was wrong my question would be , why do people deceive themselves into refusing to believe in the validity of the bible or the presence of God? Scientific theory A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Wikipedia and not personally witnessed, therefore, taken on FAITH< based upon what is written and repeated,,,, But all science, in fact, rests on a basis of faith, for it assumes the permanence and uniformity of natural laws - a thing which can never be demonstrated." - Tryon ... Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/search_results.html#faTJme5DgH9WwrA5.99 |
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