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Why is the term "White Pride" offensive?
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Why is the term "White Pride" offensive? the term 'white' , in its historical context, is a term to separate the dominant/oppressive/powerful population in America terms like 'irish', or 'italian', would be more synonymous with 'black' where pride is concerned,,, in the context of America and its history IRISH, ITALIANS, bLACKS< and others overcame and struggled through a lot at the hands of others,, for which they can assert to feel pride about WHITE? not so much but I don't personally care one way or the other so long as 'pride' is not used as synonymous with 'better', 'more deserving', or 'anti others' |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? The fact that it is auditory does not diminish the fact that white people are under represented or that it would be in no way different. There are different subcultures and thus lyrically it can be different. They sound is also different. |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? The fact that it is auditory does not diminish the fact that white people are under represented or that it would be in no way different. There are different subcultures and thus lyrically it can be different. They sound is also different. and black people are 'underrepresented' in country, yet there isn't and shouldn't be a 'black country' station,, country is just country, whomever is doing it same is true of every genre of music |
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If one operationally defines this topic, some of the arguments fall apart for the main reason that you guys are referring to black/white as two homogenous groups which they are not.
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yes, one individual displayed bigotry towards two other individuals agreed. So you don't watch the news and you are unaware of the trend. |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? The fact that it is auditory does not diminish the fact that white people are under represented or that it would be in no way different. There are different subcultures and thus lyrically it can be different. They sound is also different. and black people are 'underrepresented' in country, yet there isn't and shouldn't be a 'black country' station,, country is just country, whomever is doing it same is true of every genre of music disagree and disagree. Your whole argument is about feeling under represented. Not about whether or not things feel the same or not. The fact is you feel white is the only racial group that is not deserving of this kind of treatment because of the view of the race as a whole. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Fri 07/25/14 06:45 AM
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? What I'm understanding is that you think everything should be divisive favoring one group or another as the norm not realizing that it is the viewer or listener that makes anything work or popular..... regardless what color the money is behind it. These days they'll put anything on TV or radio between the commercials.... because "mainstream" isn't selling so well any more.... so more advertisers are needed to support it. Soon Mainstream Media will be like in the movie Demolition Man..... only commercial jingles offered between bias network propaganda So who really cares? |
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What I find amusing is that some people want to link that list of villains to Conservatives and Republicans. Some of those villains listed are Nazis, and the German name "Nazi" is an acronym for "National Socialist Party. Some of those villains listed are KKK members, with the KKK originating as the militant arm of the Democratic Party. Plenty of the villains listed are merely ant-government thugs. Anyway, such fringe groups aren't really what this discussion thread is about. National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (NSDAP) National-Socialist German Workers Party! The Leader of which blatantly ignored Jesse Owens! If you can not see the extension in attitudes and beliefs in these "fringe" groups and its extension of the current trend in right wing ideology, you must e from another planet...er, oh yeah, sorry. I find this interesting as the National Socialists supported and implemented; Free education Free Healthcare Strict Gun regulation Heavy regulation and control of industry High taxes (as a result of all the above) Not sure there are many conservatives that would align themselves under those ideals. Just because they were "pro war" does not mean they were "right wing". |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? Why do blacks need BET? They have a place everywhere whites do today (legally). And if whites have WET and blacks are allowed to join,then we are supporting EQUALITY, not segregation. Innocent ignorance, no? It can run on both sides of this issue. Both races should be treated the same IMHO. |
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Why is the term "White Pride" offensive? the term 'white' , in its historical context, is a term to separate the dominant/oppressive/powerful population in America terms like 'irish', or 'italian', would be more synonymous with 'black' where pride is concerned,,, in the context of America and its history IRISH, ITALIANS, bLACKS< and others overcame and struggled through a lot at the hands of others,, for which they can assert to feel pride about WHITE? not so much but I don't personally care one way or the other so long as 'pride' is not used as synonymous with 'better', 'more deserving', or 'anti others' Thought they were Africans, not "blacks"... Saying "black" is the same as saying "white" African American, on the other hand, is different. Irish Americans Italian Americans German Americans Native Americans Now, for African Americans to have "black pride" but find it offensive for Irish Americans to have "white pride", would that not be the very definition of hypocrisy? |
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yes, one individual displayed bigotry towards two other individuals agreed. So you don't watch the news and you are unaware of the trend. as hominem much? |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? What I'm understanding is that you think everything should be divisive favoring one group or another as the norm not realizing that it is the viewer or listener that makes anything work or popular..... regardless what color the money is behind it. These days they'll put anything on TV or radio between the commercials.... because "mainstream" isn't selling so well any more.... so more advertisers are needed to support it. Soon Mainstream Media will be like in the movie Demolition Man..... only commercial jingles offered between bias network propaganda So who really cares? actually that is falee i recognize that everything has historically already BEEN in favor of the wealth, not just in this country, not just in black and white, but HISTORICALLY as a constant and SINCE< in AMERICA< that wealth has been accumulated (again DEMOGRAPHICALLLY, not individually) by the WHITE MALE majoirty,, that means the white male majority , AS A GROUP< has the power and the wealth and the representation and because of THAT, in THIS COUNTRY, those GROUPS that are not white or male are often going to make their own FAVOR by creating and uniting in ways that can assure their OWN representation,,, |
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? So you wouldn't be offended of a white hip hop radio station WHH since whites are under represented in that area? as an artist, I would, because radio stations are about music and not race, I don't know of a music station which is identified by 'race' , but by genre like urban radio, or hip hop radio, or country radio,,,and they include all races of people who play those genres I think music is lessoned by labeling it with race,,,but that's just me How is it different than BET? It is labeled by race yet I say tv is about shows not race. Thus you must be against BET. it is different, because it is in reference to MUSIC music is not a visual , its an auditory,, so the race of who is doing it matters not, just the genre the genre includes anyone of any race who does it,, so a radio station has no need to specify what race, as listeners, I would presume are LISTENING for certain genres TV is a visual MEDIUM, so it is very much about what people are SEEING, which includes race and gender, and lifestyle, and any number of other things so, on TV, for groups that are not the mainstream groups,, ie,, heterosexual, white, male etc,,, they may be able to use station names as a way to recognize where they can go to see groups who are LIKE them in culture , race, experiences, lifestyle so there can be a lesbian and gay station(and there is), because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an ample amount of gay and lesbian story lines or characters on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a womens network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses womens issues and concerns on MAINSTREAM channels so there can be a Hispanic network, because they aren't necessarily going to be able to have an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses Hispanic speaking characters, issues, or concerns so there can be a food network, because there isn't necessarily going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses food, food preparation,e tc,,, on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a fishing network, because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming that addresses fishing on MAINSTREAM TV so there can be a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TV< because there isn't going to be an AMPLE amount of programming with Black characters, isssues and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV a white entertainment television, doesn't fall in this category because there is and always has been as a standard AMPLE programming with white characters, issues, and concerns on MAINSTREAM TV understanding yet? The fact that it is auditory does not diminish the fact that white people are under represented or that it would be in no way different. There are different subcultures and thus lyrically it can be different. They sound is also different. and black people are 'underrepresented' in country, yet there isn't and shouldn't be a 'black country' station,, country is just country, whomever is doing it same is true of every genre of music disagree and disagree. Your whole argument is about feeling under represented. Not about whether or not things feel the same or not. The fact is you feel white is the only racial group that is not deserving of this kind of treatment because of the view of the race as a whole. Im confused, what is it I dont think whites are 'deserving' of. what is it that they dont already have historically in this country that others do? this statement is akin to me saying you must feel that whites are the only group that should determine what everyone else deserves,,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 07/25/14 09:29 AM
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there is just a lot of innocent ignorance here, because people are speaking of things they 'assume' and haven't experienced in fact, BET, nor NAACP are exclusive to Blacks because it refers to race in the title, doesn't mean it is exclusive to that race, just tells that race they can go there to see and hear people who are having a similar experience, or interests, etc,, if whites took time to watch BET, they would see just about as many whites, as blacks see when they turn to nbc, cbs, or abc,, so they DO still have both,, just like blacks do,,, which is the reason a 'WET' would be offensive, because all tv UNTIL bet was already WET , just without the obvious reference in the name,,,, I agree with most of what you are saying. But now they are all inclusive, why can't whites have WET, but include blacks? Why, if we are treating all races the same, would it be so much more offensive? why do whites NEED a 'wet'? to rub in their place as the majority and their dominance in mainstream media? Why do blacks need BET? They have a place everywhere whites do today (legally). And if whites have WET and blacks are allowed to join,then we are supporting EQUALITY, not segregation. Innocent ignorance, no? It can run on both sides of this issue. Both races should be treated the same IMHO. you arent going to understand, sigh let me try this again I am BLACK,, I remember when they intoduced black history month, and I remember, AS A BLACK PERSON< that I had rarely heard ANYTHING in the public education about black peoples contributions I am BLACK< I remember when BET cam e out, and I remember, AS A BLACK PERSON< that I barely saw black people on the telivsion unless they were on sports or dancing so, Media was already a WET, it didnt need to have white in the name as a white person, were you ever unsure that you would turn to a station and hardely seen ANYONE that looked like you ? as a white person, were you ever unsure that your kids would go to school and learn about what amazing WHITE MALES Have done in american history? this wasnt a matter of supporting segregation, segregation was already created HIStORICALLY by the white males who had the wealth and power because of THAT , some groups had to create some of their own groups and events in order to have the same 'assuredness' that they would see their own characters, and learn some of their own history, and have some laws that included their participation and interests and NO< there will never be a time that because whites have 'allowed' blacks to join those things that they have historically not been included in,, that blacks (or any other disenfranchised group) should say 'oh thats so nice of you, let me just disband and discard all these things I have worked to develop and trust completely that you will never again decide not to 'allow' us to be a part of things' not gonna happen. again, thsi perception seems like one where the whites should decide for everyone else what they are 'allowed' or not allowed to do I conceded, once again, that AS THE GROUP< that IN AMERICA< historoically holds the wealth and power,, there is no way for white hetero males not to have SIGNIFICANT representation in EVERY FACTOR of american life Im not complaining about that but why do some white males complain about those who are not white hetero male assemblying in ways that only afford them a SMALL PORTION of the same type of nearly GUARANTEED participation,,,,and continue to feel they should gauge how much is ENOUGH, or dare to complain that what they have had and TAKEN historically is still not enough if someone else begins to have some too |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 07/25/14 09:33 AM
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Why is the term "White Pride" offensive? the term 'white' , in its historical context, is a term to separate the dominant/oppressive/powerful population in America terms like 'irish', or 'italian', would be more synonymous with 'black' where pride is concerned,,, in the context of America and its history IRISH, ITALIANS, bLACKS< and others overcame and struggled through a lot at the hands of others,, for which they can assert to feel pride about WHITE? not so much but I don't personally care one way or the other so long as 'pride' is not used as synonymous with 'better', 'more deserving', or 'anti others' Thought they were Africans, not "blacks"... Saying "black" is the same as saying "white" African American, on the other hand, is different. Irish Americans Italian Americans German Americans Native Americans Now, for African Americans to have "black pride" but find it offensive for Irish Americans to have "white pride", would that not be the very definition of hypocrisy? not truly you see, blacks, HISTORICALLY were ONLY from west africa,,there hisotry was stripped as slaves, and they all became just one group, under the submission and cotnrol of the wealthy and powerful majority, thats it,, WHITES historically, had seperate histories and cultures between them that they were able to maintain and preserve in their 'land of the free', once they became seen as WHITE instead of 'italian', or 'irish',,etc,,, so, in overcoming obstacles, whites did that against other whites, when they were still irish servants, or italians or jewish,,etc,,, it was as members of THESE groups that they struggled and fought to have equality once a member of the 'white' group, equality was a legal mandate,,, and members of the 'white' group got to define what all other groups were and should be called,,,, so, semantically, that black was darkness and white was light, that blacks decided to create within their group other ways of idenitifying themselves, even being an issue is more evidence of how much white males seem to take for granted their advantage and that , semantically, and historically, BLACK in this country is less than and negative, the need to counter that with BLACK PRIDE should be obvious yet, white males often, denying their own advantage HISTORICALLY and AS A gROUP, will consider it only a 'double standard' that they are somehow excluded from just because it seems like they have already 'allowed' others enough for them as the ones who have H ISTORICALLY made the laws, had the wealth and the power, done the taking and oppressing and ruling IN THIS COUNTRY, to have 'white pride',,, is like me as an able bodied person to have 'able bodied' only parking spaces, lol I am a straight person and I see the reason that gay people have 'gay pride'. I dont consider it a double standard that I dont have 'staight pride', because straight has already been HISTORICALLY< the expectation and the NORM,,,, and Im not sure why that doesnt get through to people , the SITUATIONAL differences in these situations they complain about but c'est la vie |
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yes, one individual displayed bigotry towards two other individuals agreed. So you don't watch the news and you are unaware of the trend. as hominem much? Not surprisingly, you got it backwards. As has been noted by others, the uses of blacks to take a liberal position over a conservative black's position are almost countless, ... but invisible to you. This FACT would indicate the LOGIC of you not watching the news and/or being unaware of the TREND for liberal blacks to trash conservative blacks. The "Ad hominem" which you both spelled and used incorrectly would be the non-logical or emotional response of a personal attack. In others words, I gave you the facts. You respond with "ad hominem" such as the "pot calling the kettle black". You either don't understand the subject, have no intention of telling the truth about the subject, or knee-jerkingly spout liberal drivel you have acquired over the years. Sadly, the positions you take define what is wrong with Black America, not how to fix it. Read some current Bill Cosby. |
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BILL HAS GONE AND DONE IT AGAIN...
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa ..... I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid. I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! ! With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.. We cannot blame the white people any longer.' ~Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed..D. And it is not about color either, white, black or green the way they talk and write is awful. 
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BILL HAS GONE AND DONE IT AGAIN... They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa ..... I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid. I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! ! With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.. We cannot blame the white people any longer.' ~Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed..D. And it is not about color either, white, black or green the way they talk and write is awful. 
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No one is denying history.
What those "ignorant" white folks believe, is that we are equals now, and should be treated as such. There is a flip side to this and it is very real. There are many from minorities who are innocently over vigilant. Many see two people (a white and black person) go for a job with similar credentials, the white person gets the job and they ASSUME there is racism there. Many will see schools that are predominantly black fall below national standards, and they ASSUME its being underfunded because of the black population. If some people see a group of 1,000 workers, and only 3 are black, the employer must be racist. MsHarmony, we can agree to disagree on this subject. |
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