Well said JohnDavidDavid:

"There is also NO DOCUMENTED evidence of any of the proposed "gods" (from any century) rising from the dead or performing any of the supernatural feats in tales. There are TALES and testimonials about such things happening, but nothing that can be verified as truthful and accurate. That some of the tales were written about decades, generations or centuries after they supposedly occurred is NOT documentation that they are anything more than folk tales, legends, fables, fiction or other forms of human imagination."

The only "Proof" of Jesus divinity is ... is Christian writings... the bible, etc. Written years after his death, if he even lived at all ???

A Lilly tell me how It Began? Simple scientific experiment.

NO ONE KNOWS "how it began." There are many theories, some religious, some scientific, some totally fanciful (or a combination of these).

Those who read the opinions of others (who do not know either) and conclude that NOW I KNOW are gullible (in my opinion).

Demanding or requesting that someone tell "how it began" (if they do not accept your opinion) assumes that the information is available. It is not -- nothing more than theories, opinions, hearsay, conjecture and/or fanciful and wishful thinking.

Life in the real world we inhabit does NOT require that we know "how it began." We can live happily, peacefully, productively and satisfyingly without demanding that information.

Some propose that one must believe that a favored "god" was responsible and that they must worship the "god" to find favor in an "afterlife." However, that is all conjecture that cannot be shown to be anything more than human imagination.

It is a common tactic in parlor (uninformed) "debate" to take the position, "If you don't accept my position you must then provide an alternative explanation." There is no such requirement in reasoned discussion or debate.

What is so difficult about simply and honestly admitting "I don't know how the universe originated or how life began"?

I admit I don't know that stuff. It's not that hard either. Maybe if I thought I had to know everything and always had to be right then it would be harder.

Exactly my point. a simple thing as a lily we can not make from scratch. we can not make Honey Bees to polunate our crops or we would be in a food shortage. the moon has to be in a perfect orbit the moondoes so many good things for the earth. Yet we say because a book that says we have a creator and this is how to live and says he made all things to be perfect together in our world. well is just a silly wives tale to believe the chances of this world and universe to happen by chance is crazy

Perhaps it would be appropriate to use REASONING. To say "If you don't accept my position you must then provide an alternative explanation" is irrational.

Santa's name is not on the dollar bill. Does this mean we can really trust if Santa knows if we have been good or bad?

Could it be that "Santa Knows" that most have just avoided getting caught in minor (or major) transgressions?

As the dollar becomes worth less and less as years go by is "In god we trust" decreased proportionately?

Santa, satan same thing. Both Liars

Santa, Satan, Gods (thousands of them) -- same thing -- can't be shown to be anything more than human imagination, fantasy, wishful thinking.

"Liars" might apply to those who claim to be "priests" or "prophets" or to have special knowledge of invisible, undetectable supernatural entities.

say hat u want. My fianc� I have been teaching her about Yahweh and she was in great pain from her back but needed to work so I sent her a prayer and she just called me and told me the people she worked with when she dropped something and she bent down to get it noticed she had no pain. they thought she was going to hurt herself. she was so excited she said she started moving around and then a small jump no pain and started running around in circles and jumping up and down and the people she worked with could not believe it. Yahweh is REAL he listens this is the small prayer I sent to her. believe it or not.. it will not change my faith because it is real. People refuse to use the true Holy names satan took out of the bible Yahweh the Father and Yahshua his son. Miracles do happen. HalleluYah.

Yahweh Rapha we Love you and Worship your Great Name and Our Saviors name Yahshua's . You are the Great Healer to whom nothing is impossible you are our Life Our Master and Healer. We ask Father that you send your Healing Angel Rafael to heal Ailaine who so Graciously you brought us together and we are Eternally Grateful. If Possible and in your will we ask you Heal Ailaines back with just one thought and we know it will be done. We love you Yahweh and Thank you for your Blessings. we love you Yahweh.. HalleluYah

Your fiance's recovery from a back problem MUST be due to intervention by a supernatural entity answering your prayer?

There can be no other explanation -- including the human body's ability to heal?

Perhaps, "When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" (i.e., when one only knows or accepts one explanation they tend to overlook or dismiss alternatives).

that's fine. I could care less. She is fine we are both happy and Yahweh is Wonderful. Say its in my head I just do not care, people think they know everything when actually we know nothing.

If we know nothing whats the chances of what we see?

Chaos? becomes Beauty. Yea mars is really nice this time of year. Yea Yahweh says the stars are as the sands of the sea. pretty big expression for cave like men who lived during a time when still now, we still can not explain when 20 ton stones were put in place.. we have come along way in this human leap of quantum theory that backwards is not forwards. were smart.

which did happen 1st? The chicken or the egg?

so my faith along with hers as she was still so excited just a few minutes ago. It makes me happy to have faith. It builds my courage to have Faith.

It shows me the unimaginable all through faith. Is this science?

Of course not . someone said it wasn't. we just need to apply to science the same scrutiny you do the scriptures who the Geneva Bible , I believe they have pretty much agrees with todays a 1000 years later.

its crazy it has a message for all ages. take in Yahshua's day the law the word is the law. they went on their rooftops in the evening like our deck relaxing in the evening.

The word says you are to protect anyone who is on your land. same with a ditch left open. now this is 3500 years old how u r to treat anyone on your property.. Basically use your head. Like today city's have rules about open pools, decks ect.

No not science. what is it? Newton did great work and was a profound believer in a creator.

Prophecy's he loves as did Nostradomus. using the description that the health laws from the bible what to do in a plague.. all spelled out. It's sad as physicians were a lot of the scientists at that period of time. all beginning split and multiply. See I believe when we were created (The Creators creation. yes..) I am so Blessed I do not believe I came from some ape.

that's ok though u have to find and Desire the knowledge before you can ever use it.. Surely we can agree on that. I feel sad because you will never know the shalom of a creator. I am His SON!!!

It's alright u can laugh. Because I just don't care. I know Yahweh healed her for our obedience to his word the best we can.

The scriptures are nothing as u have ever heard or seen. they are a pearl and seeking pearls takes a trained eye of faith.

The scriptures are alive. They have knowledge, they have justice. no partiality on who can afford the best lawyer. His judgement is fair.

Science influences our govt; greatly and at the same time believer are said to be looking down on others. these are changing times like no other. we all should look around, think and then wonder how did we get here?

Science says one thing and then later says another. If a lot of money is involved then science will be over run by the elite. they have always wanted their way.

Reasoning that their is no creator or that the scriptures are so Yahweh inspired that it would be impossible for any man to make things tell a story that continues to reinforce Faith as the Spirit guides you what the scriptures history is for.

For our own good if we will desire to learn them and few will have it. Miracles happen all the time. many days we just never notice.

Thank you for illustrating the thinking behind a religious viewpoint.



It is not surprising that those who want to see "miracles" -- see "miracles" even when rational alternatives are apparent to others -- then credit their prayers to a favorite supernatural entity when desirable outcomes occur (but remain silent about the "power of prayer" when results are undesirable).

If good things happen "goddidit", if not, blame the devil, or "sins", or homosexuality, or something.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I lost 45% of my blood easter morning. I could here them say I was in critical condition and the hosp said they were ready with a team at Mercy Hosp in Roseburg Oregon and they lost my Heart beat no blood pressure yet I was still awake. I said Yahshua help me ( which if u read what happens when u lose this much blood I should of had a heart attach) as soon as I said those words everything started working and I did not need to go into surgery. when they opened the Ambulance doors their was a team of 7 to 10 people waiting outside for me. people were coming into look at me all the time from cna's to nurses to other Drs. . I asked the nurse in icu as they were giving me blood why are so many people coming to look at me.. she said they never seen anyone look like I did ( she said I was fading into the sheets and they had never seen anyone look like that who was alive) ye Yahweh is a healer and just because you do not understand does not bother me. It's your loss.

Sure enough, people recover from injuries, accidents, diseases -- often with medical assistance.



What, exactly, do you propose that I "lose" by not idolizing or worshiping one of the "gods"?

You lose the knowledge. your heart I will not judge