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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple I agree with about 90% of what you are saying. I too have an issue with folks thinking all they need is a firearm and they will be safe. I also believe that having a gun, or being around them, puts you at greater risk for injury from a gunshot wound, just as having a swimming pool or being around one puts you at greater risk of drowning (which has taken a bigger toll i would like to add). If carrying one always made it more dangerous for the carrier, secret service, police, and the military would all be disarmed. A firearm is a tool, but it can come in handy under a specific set of circumstances. Training needs to surpass "using both hands" and "shooting straight" to include intelligent approaches to situations. Any decent civilian course will include this. As a matter of fact they often stress property can be replaced, if someone just wants your wallet, hand it over. I would also like to point out that the possibility of people being armed can be a deterrent to potential assailants. I would also like to point out the dangers of being comfortable just throwing away rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to us in our bill of rights. I agree having a gun is a choice, not something everyone needs to be safe and most people can live pretty long lives by being cautious and awre and never owning a gun those who choose to have one certainly live in a country where they are free to do so I never advocated for taking anyones 'right' to have a gun, anymore than I advocate taking away the 'right' to freedom of speech I advocate for common sense exceptions to when that right is crossing the line into endangering others and having regulations to address that just like not yelling fire in a crowded theater, could be met with an ttempt to claim it is falling under freedom of speech the greater COMMON SENSE dictates its potential danger is more important and it shouldn't be allowed, the same is true with guns, in my opinion, its not something that should be an absolute and unregulated right for everyone, everywhere, under every situation,,,, |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent The Amendments ARE The Bill Of Rights! The first Ten Amendments to your Constitution are called The Bill Of Rights! re read why were there amendments that FOLLOWED THEM we could stop at ten if they were perfect, couldn't we? yet we keep revising, because as humans , times change, we change and so do our standards,,,,, if it was capable of needing revisions then, why is it so insulting to suggest it may need revisions now? To a point yes, revisions need to be made. But there needs to be certain rights that can never be revised. Keeps powers in check, as it is any government's responsibility to take freedom from people so they may be controlled (this is the way they all work by design). It also prevents 75% of people saying "Hey, lets just enslave the other 25% then we won't have to work, ever". IM an advocate of Balance, its what life is about, and its what a successful unit of any type needs, whether its a family, a community, a town, a city, a state, or a country (government) |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple 
ah....a glimmer of sanity....thanks harmony. OK I'm outta here....this argument gets too emotionally charged which means no one is thinking that well. Also, there is too much at stake financially for the pro gun lobby for them to be objective. Anyone who cannot accept reasonable controls on firearms has no business having one. So the discussion should be on what is reasonalbe with both sides willing to put forth solutions that are negotialbe and workable. For those who cannot do that, the decision will be made for you, by others capable of objectivity and adult decision making. I guess my suggestion is to be level headed and remove the emotion, scare tactics and propaganda to be a valuable contributor who others take seriously. Again knowing that NRA supporters and the gun lobby have too much at stake financially to be making these types of rules alone. Got to agree that the mainstream on both sides of the issue seem incapable of objective thinking. NRA really doesn't stand to make a profit though, they simply tend to be extreme. As are the liberals on this issue. As I stated before neither laws nor guns seem to have much impact on violence or crime, so perhaps underlying causes should be explored before we pit one half of the country instead of the other. None of this is about gun control. Not the issue at all. Its violence and crime. One thing everyone can agree on is we don't like to see violence spreading. Economics is a great place to start. Hey, then we'd get to take care of the economic issues as well. Win, win, win. I disagree NRA doesn't make profit from supporting the gun industry. its not so much the money its the 'profit' the manufacturers who finance the NRA continue to make Its kind of a viscious circle where, in return for keeping the guns and ammo on the street, the gun industry 'contributes' to the NRA and the NRA continues to lobby for them so they can also keep making profit,,, but otherwise, I agree about underlying problems being a great place to start when looking at violence trends... |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple
ah....a glimmer of sanity....thanks harmony. OK I'm outta here....this argument gets too emotionally charged which means no one is thinking that well. Also, there is too much at stake financially for the pro gun lobby for them to be objective. Anyone who cannot accept reasonable controls on firearms has no business having one. So the discussion should be on what is reasonalbe with both sides willing to put forth solutions that are negotialbe and workable. For those who cannot do that, the decision will be made for you, by others capable of objectivity and adult decision making. I guess my suggestion is to be level headed and remove the emotion, scare tactics and propaganda to be a valuable contributor who others take seriously. Again knowing that NRA supporters and the gun lobby have too much at stake financially to be making these types of rules alone. Got to agree that the mainstream on both sides of the issue seem incapable of objective thinking. NRA really doesn't stand to make a profit though, they simply tend to be extreme. As are the liberals on this issue. As I stated before neither laws nor guns seem to have much impact on violence or crime, so perhaps underlying causes should be explored before we pit one half of the country instead of the other. None of this is about gun control. Not the issue at all. Its violence and crime. One thing everyone can agree on is we don't like to see violence spreading. Economics is a great place to start. Hey, then we'd get to take care of the economic issues as well. Win, win, win. I disagree NRA doesn't make profit from supporting the gun industry. its not so much the money its the 'profit' the manufacturers who finance the NRA continue to make Its kind of a viscious circle where, in return for keeping the guns and ammo on the street, the gun industry 'contributes' to the NRA and the NRA continues to lobby for them so they can also keep making profit,,, but otherwise, I agree about underlying problems being a great place to start when looking at violence trends... I don't think its so much the gun industry, perhaps more donations made by people? Membership fees? Either way, it seems I've spoken before adequate time and energy has been given to researching the NRA's revenues. |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple
ah....a glimmer of sanity....thanks harmony. OK I'm outta here....this argument gets too emotionally charged which means no one is thinking that well. Also, there is too much at stake financially for the pro gun lobby for them to be objective. Anyone who cannot accept reasonable controls on firearms has no business having one. So the discussion should be on what is reasonalbe with both sides willing to put forth solutions that are negotialbe and workable. For those who cannot do that, the decision will be made for you, by others capable of objectivity and adult decision making. I guess my suggestion is to be level headed and remove the emotion, scare tactics and propaganda to be a valuable contributor who others take seriously. Again knowing that NRA supporters and the gun lobby have too much at stake financially to be making these types of rules alone. Got to agree that the mainstream on both sides of the issue seem incapable of objective thinking. NRA really doesn't stand to make a profit though, they simply tend to be extreme. As are the liberals on this issue. As I stated before neither laws nor guns seem to have much impact on violence or crime, so perhaps underlying causes should be explored before we pit one half of the country instead of the other. None of this is about gun control. Not the issue at all. Its violence and crime. One thing everyone can agree on is we don't like to see violence spreading. Economics is a great place to start. Hey, then we'd get to take care of the economic issues as well. Win, win, win. I disagree NRA doesn't make profit from supporting the gun industry. its not so much the money its the 'profit' the manufacturers who finance the NRA continue to make Its kind of a viscious circle where, in return for keeping the guns and ammo on the street, the gun industry 'contributes' to the NRA and the NRA continues to lobby for them so they can also keep making profit,,, but otherwise, I agree about underlying problems being a great place to start when looking at violence trends... The large majority of NRA's funding comes from people like me ...members. |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families...  The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders. 
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
Sure, if you want such a weapons ban in your own nation, then go for it. Meanwhile, those of us in the USA will decide for ourselves what laws we want for our own nation. |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
You really believe yourself? So criminals are going to start obeying laws because you think they should? Laws only impose themselves on the innocent, good or bad. They call those others "law breakers" and "criminals" for a reason 
What you want is martial law, and end of rights, totalitarianism, to be ruled by a King. You need to read your history and learn or rediscover how well that works for the masses |
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Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
You really believe yourself? So criminals are going to start obeying laws because you think they should? Laws only impose themselves on the innocent, good or bad. They call those others "law breakers" and "criminals" for a reason
What you want is martial law, and end of rights, totalitarianism, to be ruled by a King. You need to read your history and learn or rediscover how well that works for the masses Yeah, who needs liberty when your head of state gets his/her job simply because he/she was born into a particular family. 
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple I agree with about 90% of what you are saying. I too have an issue with folks thinking all they need is a firearm and they will be safe. I also believe that having a gun, or being around them, puts you at greater risk for injury from a gunshot wound, just as having a swimming pool or being around one puts you at greater risk of drowning (which has taken a bigger toll i would like to add). If carrying one always made it more dangerous for the carrier, secret service, police, and the military would all be disarmed. A firearm is a tool, but it can come in handy under a specific set of circumstances. Training needs to surpass "using both hands" and "shooting straight" to include intelligent approaches to situations. Any decent civilian course will include this. As a matter of fact they often stress property can be replaced, if someone just wants your wallet, hand it over. I would also like to point out that the possibility of people being armed can be a deterrent to potential assailants. I would also like to point out the dangers of being comfortable just throwing away rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to us in our bill of rights. I agree having a gun is a choice, not something everyone needs to be safe and most people can live pretty long lives by being cautious and awre and never owning a gun those who choose to have one certainly live in a country where they are free to do so I never advocated for taking anyones 'right' to have a gun, anymore than I advocate taking away the 'right' to freedom of speech I advocate for common sense exceptions to when that right is crossing the line into endangering others and having regulations to address that just like not yelling fire in a crowded theater, could be met with an ttempt to claim it is falling under freedom of speech the greater COMMON SENSE dictates its potential danger is more important and it shouldn't be allowed, the same is true with guns, in my opinion, its not something that should be an absolute and unregulated right for everyone, everywhere, under every situation,,,, You sound like Sharpton now about those "Unregulated" Rights? Ever occurred to you they aren't Rights if they are "Regulated"? What sort of Blankout allows you to think like this? "actually,the Bill Of Rights are the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution,the Declaration of Independence touches on them,while the Bill of Rights enumerates them! And since the Bill Of Rights is part of the Constitution,it is the supreme Law of the Land!" |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Son,you full of it! You'd give your right Paw to live under a Constitution like that! |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
Sure, if you want such a weapons ban in your own nation, then go for it. Meanwhile, those of us in the USA will decide for ourselves what laws we want for our own nation. The Man has been living under a Weaponsban all his life,doubt he understands! |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Son,you full of it! You'd give your right Paw to live under a Constitution like that! And live in fear day in day out? No sir! Weapons are falling in the wrong hands. Cross border smuggling is my business dodo so whatever you have to suggest... You know, something constructive? make sure it's good for everyone |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Son,you full of it! You'd give your right Paw to live under a Constitution like that! And live in fear day in day out? No sir! Weapons are falling in the wrong hands. Cross border smuggling is my business dodo so whatever you have to suggest... You know, something constructive? make sure it's good for everyone Need to stop watching all those Westerns,they will scramble your Brains! 
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Sojourning_Soul
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Son,you full of it! You'd give your right Paw to live under a Constitution like that! And live in fear day in day out? No sir! Weapons are falling in the wrong hands. Cross border smuggling is my business dodo so whatever you have to suggest... You know, something constructive? make sure it's good for everyone Cross border smuggling? Holder and Obozo are pros at that....arming Al Qaeda rebels in Syria and Mexican drug lords. Their actions getting our border agents and ambassadors killed in the process, all the while droning women and children and instead of admitting their blatant disregard for human life they ignore, deny, or cover it up under a veil of National Security. Anyone without fear of such leadership is a fool, anyone who condones it is a sociopath, and those who sit on their hands without speaking out against it are pathetic enablers with their hands out waiting for the next freebie at the expense of others. |
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? Ahhh Finally... a voice of reason, able to communicate with words instead of closed fists. Economics... Why must the safety of your school children depend on economics? I mean, it's inevitable, the economy goes up... the economy goes down... Chisel that in stone! George W... planned this economic disaster in order to thrive economically post war. Your present administration is picking up the pieces of a failed war on terror by negotiating with axis of evil nations. About time too (can't be fighting forever yes?) Only when your troops come home can your nation prosper by supplying logistics and building supplies abroad... There's a catch... China is gaining on your historical strategy of post war prospering. America is imploding with hate, racial divide and anarchy. Your bill of rights to bear arms is dated and must be reviewed... Owning a weapon to defend your family is much different from carrying a Glock to the supermarket? Even us "unarmed Canadians" will punch a few holes in you if you puck with our families... The point I'm trying to make is if your bill of rights allows to carry a loaded weapon in public... when there's so many hotheads, crackheads and puckheads... that have no problem unloading their clips in public. There's a major problem yes?
I'll call that right flawed! Defend your home all you want... Don't think for a second I need you to defend me in Wallmart. I call a total ban on weapons possession in public... If you're caught with a weapon, you're either a dead man or you're doing 25yrs in the gulag with special training to be deployed in the most dangerous situations abroad... They become expendable! There ya go, the right to defend yourself and your family without risking public safety. We'll keep our military pros here at home to defend our borders.
Laws, like locks, only serve to keep honest people honest. They never have and never will stop a criminal. Oops!! Me bad Canadian. I support NRA. I believe in US 2nd Amendment. I believe that an 'HONEST' armed citizenry can help reduce crime. I am such a bad Canadian. |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple I agree with about 90% of what you are saying. I too have an issue with folks thinking all they need is a firearm and they will be safe. I also believe that having a gun, or being around them, puts you at greater risk for injury from a gunshot wound, just as having a swimming pool or being around one puts you at greater risk of drowning (which has taken a bigger toll i would like to add). If carrying one always made it more dangerous for the carrier, secret service, police, and the military would all be disarmed. A firearm is a tool, but it can come in handy under a specific set of circumstances. Training needs to surpass "using both hands" and "shooting straight" to include intelligent approaches to situations. Any decent civilian course will include this. As a matter of fact they often stress property can be replaced, if someone just wants your wallet, hand it over. I would also like to point out that the possibility of people being armed can be a deterrent to potential assailants. I would also like to point out the dangers of being comfortable just throwing away rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to us in our bill of rights. I agree having a gun is a choice, not something everyone needs to be safe and most people can live pretty long lives by being cautious and awre and never owning a gun those who choose to have one certainly live in a country where they are free to do so I never advocated for taking anyones 'right' to have a gun, anymore than I advocate taking away the 'right' to freedom of speech I advocate for common sense exceptions to when that right is crossing the line into endangering others and having regulations to address that just like not yelling fire in a crowded theater, could be met with an ttempt to claim it is falling under freedom of speech the greater COMMON SENSE dictates its potential danger is more important and it shouldn't be allowed, the same is true with guns, in my opinion, its not something that should be an absolute and unregulated right for everyone, everywhere, under every situation,,,, You sound like Sharpton now about those "Unregulated" Rights? Ever occurred to you they aren't Rights if they are "Regulated"? What sort of Blankout allows you to think like this? "actually,the Bill Of Rights are the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution,the Declaration of Independence touches on them,while the Bill of Rights enumerates them! And since the Bill Of Rights is part of the Constitution,it is the supreme Law of the Land!" if they didn't need to be regulated they wouldn't need to be stated, breathing is an unregulated right it didn't need to be written down anywhere, we know as humans its part of what we are entitled to do, whoever we are , and wherever we are rights, as they are written only go so far as the next persons nose so if your RIGHT to speak, infringes upon my RIGHT to be secure. it is a conflict , therefore needing regulations its called common sense, as opposed to extremism,,, |
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msharmony
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Your bill of rights is flawed... Son,you full of it! You'd give your right Paw to live under a Constitution like that! And live in fear day in day out? No sir! Weapons are falling in the wrong hands. Cross border smuggling is my business dodo so whatever you have to suggest... You know, something constructive? make sure it's good for everyone Need to stop watching all those Westerns,they will scramble your Brains!
I agree,, totally, there is a balance that makes sense but some EXTREMISTS want an absolute rule that doesn't consider anything else but that this person or that person wrote it rules are not made to be broken, but many rules will conflict with other rules, making common sense regulation and consideration important a WELL REGULATED militia being necessary, the right to bear arms ,,,, even the forefaters acknowledged the significance of regulation notice they didn't say, because its important to have a militia, the right to bear arms,,,,? they themselves included mention of REGULATION,,, |
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To defend themselves from criminals like Trevon Martin. |
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