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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! So many just don't get it my friend. They think that gov't and country are the same thing, our flag is nothing more than a pretty rag, and the principals and rights we bleed for, guaranteed by our Constitution, not given by it, are subject to negotiation and governmental whim. I'm sure you have observed our "usual suspects" here who claim to be "logical", but are willing to sacrifice so easily what others (not they themselves) fight and die for. Misery loves company and they would wish to make victims of us all to feel better about their own lack of personal responsibility, or the inability to provide for and protect themselves. Mindless minions, spineless and afraid, needing militarized men with guns to protect them from the average law abiding citizens with guns. They have no concept of crisis, believe laws will stop criminals and somehow make them safer, and patriots and lovers of liberty are the villians because we don't trust a gov't that has failed in its only purpose.... to protect and defend the principals, rights and country for which only 2% of us have actually fought, bled and died for. Thomas Jefferson stated: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them , will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. As this reality unfolds before their very eyes they still remain blind to the very reasons for such needs or protections guaranteed by our founding documents...... like the 2nd amendment. Their freedoms, which have been paid for by the blood of our patriots, they seem to think are better served by giving up so easily those very rights which have afforded them the comforts they wish to enjoy. Ben Franklin stated: "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it. |
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The Human Right of Self-Defense David B. Kopel,1 Paul Gallant2 & Joanne D. Eisen3 I. INTRODUCTION “Any law, international or municipal, which prohibits recourse to force, is necessarily limited by the right of self-defense.”4 Is there a human right to defend oneself against a violent attacker? Is there an individual right to arms under international law? Conversely, are governments guilty of human rights violations if they do not enact strict gun control laws? The United Nations and some non-governmental organizations have declared that there is no human right to self-defense or to the possession of defensive arms.5 The UN and allied NGOs further declare thatinsufficiently restrictive firearms laws are themselves a human rights violation, so all governments must sharply restrict citiz en firearms possession.6 This Article investigates the legal status of self-defense by examining a broad variety of sources of international law. Based on those sources, the Article suggests that personal self-defense is a well-established human right under international law and is an important foundation of international law itself. Since the 1990s, the United Nations has been focusing increasing attention on international firearms control. UN-backed programs have promoted and funded the surrender and confiscation of citizen firearms in nations around the world.7 The United Nations subsidized the proponents of an October 2005 national gun confiscation referendum in Brazil.8 A subcommission of the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has declared that there is no human right to personal self-defense and that extremely strict gun control is a human right which allgovernments are required to enforce immediately. 9 The full Human Rights Council is expected to take up the issue and promulgate similar orders.10 The declaration implements a report for the HRC prepared by Special Rapporteur Barbara Frey.11 According to the Frey standard adopted by the United Nations, even the most restrictive gun laws in the United States, such as those in Washington, D.C., or New York City, are violations of current human rights law, because they are insufficiently stringent. For example, a person in New York City who obtains a permit to possess a shotgun may use that shotgun for a variety of purposes (e.g., collecting, shooting clay pigeons, bird hunting, or home-defense), whereas the UN and Frey would require that a license enumerate “specific purposes” for which a gun could be used.12 In addition, every jurisdiction in the United States is in violation of present human rights law (according to the UN) in that state laws allow law enforcement officials to use deadly force (e.g., a handgun) to prevent the commission of certain crimes (such as rape or sexual assault on a child) even when the law enforcement officer has no reason to believe that the victim might be killed or seriously injured.13 The anti-self-defense and anti-firearms ownership mandates from the United Nations are unlikely to be directly adopted as law by Congress or by state legislatures in the United States. Nevertheless, there are a variety of ways, discussed infra, in which purported international law mandates can be imposed on American citizens without legislative consent.14 This is where you Gungrabbers get your Cues from! where are these 'gungrabbers'? and why always Assuming those who aren't gun enthusiasts are therefore aligned with some other entity which happens to agree with some of their opinions? good point. I do not like the pro gun lobby/ NRA at all, but I very much believe in the 2nd ammendment. I would own a gun if I lived in a rural area. I have shot a gun and used a gun. (legally). I do not belong to any group, organization or political party with any kind of agenda. My agenda is only reasonable control and it is a personal belief because I THINK for MYSELF. The debate is, "reasonable", what that is, not whether controls should exist. Certainly anyone with any type of criminal record should not have a gun. Military style weapons have no place in residential neighborhoods (except perhaps MAYBE as souveniers with NO ammo). Again, reasonable controls protect the law abiding citizens right to a self defense or to hunt wild game, and hopefully also protect the rights of those who would be victims of fire arm crimes. I don't like the gun lobby because they refuse to compromise or acknowledge that the victims are the greater importance. If some gun owners have to accept some controls for the good of society than that is that. We all have to accept reasonable controls for the benefit of the larger society. I'd love to drive 90 mph in the median. HA I scares me every time I see someone use the word "common sense" in a debate, especially about guns. If you go to the obnoxious graphic at the top of this page and adjust the murders by the 5% of the population who are black and lawless and commit 50% of the crime, the picture might look much different. I see the words "common sense" used to explain why a fundamental constitutional right should be reduced, but nothing about how the rights of the 5% who are committing 50% of the crime should have their rights reduced. "Common sense" would say that the profiling which has done so much good in New York City should be expanded ... but most of the same sellers of "common sense" say it should be reduced. I hear how "common sense" should dictate how "hunting weapons" or "Target weapons" are OK but military style weapons should be banned when it is the use of military weapons that the right to bear arms was intended. Discussion by Congress of the recent unconstitutional use of power by the US president to pick and choose laws to enforce combined with the overt action to eliminate gun ownership by citizens should alarm all citizens. Use a little common sense. A right that depends on anyone's interpretation of "common sense" isn't a right. BTW, if the feds enforced existing gun laws, the graphic would look much different. this is a nice attempt at diversion, but those who are committing crimes are and should be restricted from having guns mixing and matching violent crimes to try to racialize GUN RELATED DEATHS doesn't work either truth is amongst blacks and whites, the MAJORITY of crimes are committed INTRARACIALLY and not INTERRACIALLY, so us would still rank pretty high considering the gun death rate amongst white folks is 9 per 100,000 there is also no evidence that what happens in nyc concerning profiling is 'working',,, crime there has been dropping before those policies were initiated common sense shouldn't be scary, its only scary to those who don't want to be held to it,,,, There is no "diversion". It is why good people should own a gun. According to the police in NYC, their tactics are working and well documented. The general public there seems to agree. And yes, your version of common sense is scary. during jim crow, the 'general public' also agreed that racism wasn't a problem anymore doesn't make ittrue and of course, everyone in the NYC doesn't say the tactics work, but those put in front of the public eye on BEHALF of the NYC< of course are going to back up their program why is their words so easy to accept despite research proving that crime was already decreasing? why is that entity so much more trustworthy than government and the thousands unnecessarily frisked? anyway,, know the answer there,, its irrelevant to the discussion Id challenge most here to a reading comprehension test anyday and compare scores,, lol,,,,, all emotion NO LOGIC<, |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! I agree with every point here,, I Have loved ones in the military who would agree with the 4'points' and add that they also fight for freedom to express opinions, and for freedom to choose NOT to own a gun and they would also say that there are 'arms' that do not belong in the arms of unstable (whether documented 'criminally' or not) citizens,,,, as well as , logically, attest that the constitution , created by men in a different time, is a living document that has needed to be revisited before and likewise will again,, because the population, culture, and times are changing,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! So many just don't get it my friend. They think that gov't and country are the same thing, our flag is nothing more than a pretty rag, and the principals and rights we bleed for, guaranteed by our Constitution, not given by it, are subject to negotiation and governmental whim. I'm sure you have observed our "usual suspects" here who claim to be "logical", but are willing to sacrifice so easily what others (not they themselves) fight and die for. Misery loves company and they would wish to make victims of us all to feel better about their own lack of personal responsibility, or the inability to provide for and protect themselves. Mindless minions, spineless and afraid, needing militarized men with guns to protect them from the average law abiding citizens with guns. They have no concept of crisis, believe laws will stop criminals and somehow make them safer, and patriots and lovers of liberty are the villians because we don't trust a gov't that has failed in its only purpose.... to protect and defend the principals, rights and country for which only 2% of us have actually fought, bled and died for. Thomas Jefferson stated: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them , will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. As this reality unfolds before their very eyes they still remain blind to the very reasons for such needs or protections guaranteed by our founding documents...... like the 2nd amendment. Their freedoms, which have been paid for by the blood of our patriots, they seem to think are better served by giving up so easily those very rights which have afforded them the comforts they wish to enjoy. Ben Franklin stated: "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it. there have always been those willing to risk lives rather than consider their constitution needed changes Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery." bullet Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." bullet Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government." back then, owning people was a 'guarantee; and not a 'given' but the semantics don't change that times change and with times; people and their 'needs' and 'givens' I think this quote is MOST RELEVANT In this discussion,,,tactic sounds familiar,,,,,,,lol Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! So many just don't get it my friend. They think that gov't and country are the same thing, our flag is nothing more than a pretty rag, and the principals and rights we bleed for, guaranteed by our Constitution, not given by it, are subject to negotiation and governmental whim. I'm sure you have observed our "usual suspects" here who claim to be "logical", but are willing to sacrifice so easily what others (not they themselves) fight and die for. Misery loves company and they would wish to make victims of us all to feel better about their own lack of personal responsibility, or the inability to provide for and protect themselves. Mindless minions, spineless and afraid, needing militarized men with guns to protect them from the average law abiding citizens with guns. They have no concept of crisis, believe laws will stop criminals and somehow make them safer, and patriots and lovers of liberty are the villians because we don't trust a gov't that has failed in its only purpose.... to protect and defend the principals, rights and country for which only 2% of us have actually fought, bled and died for. Thomas Jefferson stated: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them , will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. As this reality unfolds before their very eyes they still remain blind to the very reasons for such needs or protections guaranteed by our founding documents...... like the 2nd amendment. Their freedoms, which have been paid for by the blood of our patriots, they seem to think are better served by giving up so easily those very rights which have afforded them the comforts they wish to enjoy. Ben Franklin stated: "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it. there have always been those willing to risk lives rather than consider their constitution needed changes Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery." bullet Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." bullet Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government." back then, owning people was a 'guarantee; and not a 'given' but the semantics don't change that times change and with times; people and their 'needs' and 'givens' I think this quote is MOST RELEVANT In this discussion,,,tactic sounds familiar,,,,,,,lol Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." Obfuscation! Not part of the Bill Of Rights! |
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Manufactures are making bullets 24/7 to catch up with public demand? Try to go anywhere and Buy a box of 50- scarce as hensteeth? For a box of bullets??? I'm no doomsday preper but i've got plenty ready! Doesn't take much for a Country Boy from the mountains but most City Slickers are screwed!! Helpful hint for those that Really Want to Know? Go to the Bookstores and find a book called Foxfire,there are about 14 editions of this small paperback book. They go from making your own moonshine stills,ingredients to make blackpowder,quitting,canning,instruments,building houses,anything!!"the old fashion way in details. I don't need these but have them for reference! Things are happening here but i wonder if its for the best? And Yes Male and Female better grow some cahonas get off that Computer sometimes and Really Listen to your Elders"Dead or Alive"!
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right
of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! These are the men and women who should be REQUIRED to be armed at all times!!! Agreed! 
Military, Police, Security, Intelligence, Firefighters... I'd even extend this to people who are responsible for the safety of multiple people at once... Such as Busdrivers, Pilots, Captains. Psych evaluations every 3-6 months! 
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! These are the men and women who should be REQUIRED to be armed at all times!!! Agreed!
Military, Police, Security, Intelligence, Firefighters... I'd even extend this to people who are responsible for the safety of multiple people at once... Such as Busdrivers, Pilots, Captains. Psych evaluations every 3-6 months!
and Tyrants love People who have those Schnapsideen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5sOzbD29GQ 
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! There's a problem when even a weapon doesn't make you feel safe eh Conrad? 
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Believe me " This will be thing involving every race when it happens,and i don't care if you are white,black,yellow,red or purple-azz-pink,every race had better learn to get along, we will be side by side before its over! Remember the Revolutionary War? If Lost our Forefathers would have been Executed for Treason! What great people that wrote the laws to Protect Ourselves even from our own Government if necessary!! Enough Said I'm Gone!!! Its in the News about Cyberspace!!! Foolish Foolish People!!! MY LAST POST HERE FOR GOVERNMENT VIEW!!
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! These are the men and women who should be REQUIRED to be armed at all times!!! Agreed!
Military, Police, Security, Intelligence, Firefighters... I'd even extend this to people who are responsible for the safety of multiple people at once... Such as Busdrivers, Pilots, Captains. Psych evaluations every 3-6 months!
and Tyrants love People who have those Schnapsideen! Psych evaluation every week for some!!! 
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! There's a problem when even a weapon doesn't make you feel safe eh Conrad?
as your Posts clearly show! Not tired stirring the Pot yet? Seems that's what you do best. 
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We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion:
the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force. Ayn Rand (1905-1982) The Nature of Government If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit 60 Minutes episode |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! These are the men and women who should be REQUIRED to be armed at all times!!! Agreed!
Military, Police, Security, Intelligence, Firefighters... I'd even extend this to people who are responsible for the safety of multiple people at once... Such as Busdrivers, Pilots, Captains. Psych evaluations every 3-6 months!
Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945) |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! These are the men and women who should be REQUIRED to be armed at all times!!! Agreed!
Military, Police, Security, Intelligence, Firefighters... I'd even extend this to people who are responsible for the safety of multiple people at once... Such as Busdrivers, Pilots, Captains. Psych evaluations every 3-6 months!
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! There's a problem when even a weapon doesn't make you feel safe eh Conrad?
as your Posts clearly show! Not tired stirring the Pot yet? Seems that's what you do best.
"We" in North America are greatly affected by this Conrad... quit yodeling from your "neutral" Swiss mountain top eh? 
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! There's a problem when even a weapon doesn't make you feel safe eh Conrad?
as your Posts clearly show! Not tired stirring the Pot yet? Seems that's what you do best.
"We" in North America are greatly affected by this Conrad... quit yodeling from your "neutral" Swiss mountain top eh?
You forgot ARMED on the Mountaintop! |
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I've thumbed through some of the views on here and only give mine! 1)Its your Right to bear arms fought for and Blood Shed by American Patriots 2)Its your Right to protect your Family from All Threats of danger (animal or human) 3)If you have whepons of any type you need to be prepared mentally and physically to use Deadly Force in case of any type of Threat of your Family,Yourself or defending your property"its the Law"for now anyhow! 4)When i was in the Armed Forces many others and myself took the Oath to Protect our Nation and Citizens of all Threats,Foreign or Domestic ! In other words I fought for these Rights and will Die Defending these Rights "Abroad or Here" as well as anyone else's Rights i Swore to Protect until I'm Dead! No Debate needed,A Fact!! The Old Saying Goes" until you Pry My Whepons from My Cold Dead Hands" Honor and Ancestral Pride Is Deep In Me! And its Pride not Anger that Motivates me! I Served Fought and will Die Defending these rights with an empty Weapon and My Last Breath!! So many just don't get it my friend. They think that gov't and country are the same thing, our flag is nothing more than a pretty rag, and the principals and rights we bleed for, guaranteed by our Constitution, not given by it, are subject to negotiation and governmental whim. I'm sure you have observed our "usual suspects" here who claim to be "logical", but are willing to sacrifice so easily what others (not they themselves) fight and die for. Misery loves company and they would wish to make victims of us all to feel better about their own lack of personal responsibility, or the inability to provide for and protect themselves. Mindless minions, spineless and afraid, needing militarized men with guns to protect them from the average law abiding citizens with guns. They have no concept of crisis, believe laws will stop criminals and somehow make them safer, and patriots and lovers of liberty are the villians because we don't trust a gov't that has failed in its only purpose.... to protect and defend the principals, rights and country for which only 2% of us have actually fought, bled and died for. Thomas Jefferson stated: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them , will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. As this reality unfolds before their very eyes they still remain blind to the very reasons for such needs or protections guaranteed by our founding documents...... like the 2nd amendment. Their freedoms, which have been paid for by the blood of our patriots, they seem to think are better served by giving up so easily those very rights which have afforded them the comforts they wish to enjoy. Ben Franklin stated: "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it. there have always been those willing to risk lives rather than consider their constitution needed changes Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery." bullet Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." bullet Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government." back then, owning people was a 'guarantee; and not a 'given' but the semantics don't change that times change and with times; people and their 'needs' and 'givens' I think this quote is MOST RELEVANT In this discussion,,,tactic sounds familiar,,,,,,,lol Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing." Obfuscation! Not part of the Bill Of Rights! but it was part of their CONSTITUTION,,, which cant 'give' rights,,,? correct? |
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Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) Gun owner with concealed carry permit PLease someone tell me again they are not wanting to ban Firearms! the right to bear 'arms' was written when the 'arms' available were much different 'arms' did not necessarily mean to include any and every weapon possible to manufacture, or could walk around with bazookas if we so chose and IM sure some extremists would propose that we 'need' to be able to do that,, but I think its quite preposterous and I don't believe the founding fathers meant anything that extreme or preposterous in their writings are SOME guns prohibited? yes , as they should be is that the same as the millions of guns in ownership being 'taken' from citizens? no is that the same as merely and simplistically 'banning' the peoples right to arms? no not anymore than recalling a certain make of cars is 'banning' the ability for citizens to own and drive cars or regulations on how cars must be built in order for sale is,,,, balance, is a wonderful thing,, extremism,, not so much |
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