... and they believed they could..

Agreed.

Belief is probably the most powerful thing in this universe.

I have to say though that the welfare system encourages people not to work. If you are getting free money, and you go to work part time, they reduce your free money. That is not a lot of insensitive to go to work.

My friend was on unemployment and she could have made extra money with part time work but then they would reduce her unemployment. A person may as well not work.

from one who has been on it,, welfare is no more incentive not to work than being born to a wealthy family

people learn to earn their keep or they don't

I wont take the na�ve stance that laxy people aren't eer on welfare, but I doubt it is the norm to prefer scrounging for basics under the costant watch and dehumanization of others to having some control over your own life,,,,

I love that expression because it asks without the asking the profound questions "Who is keeping you, your brother, or your master?" and "When did the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness become privileges you had to earn?"

it's the Right to the Pursuit of Happiness,NOT the Right to Happiness!
In other words,I don't owe my Fellowman one thing,except what I freely give him,anything else is Extortion!

You are exactly correct! The extortion isn't the difference between left & right (Stalin and Mussolini should have taught us that), but between authoritarian (dictatorial) and voluntary (charitable) wealth redistribution.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-government-giveth-the-government-redistributeth-t12133.html


http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-ant-the-grasshopper-and-the-government-t5793.html

The Ant, the Grasshopper, and the Government

... and so the grasshopper faced a winter of discontent and deprivation. So he appealed to the government for relief. The government applied its theory of social justice to the situation and demanded half the ant's store of food to redistribute to the poor grasshopper. When the ant protested that he had done all the work he was condemned as greedy, uncompassionate, and a grasshoppaphobe. Thus bullied into submission the ant relinquished half his accumulated food.

Now, you might think the story is over and the unfortunate grasshopper was saved and all lived happily ever after. Not so because the government had borrowed the ant's food savings and repaid it with morsels only half as big under its food inflation plan. So both the grasshopper and the ant starved to death, but the government lived happily ever after.

Or so it thought it would. Having killed the ant there was no-one left to gather food for the following winter. And no matter how many times they cut the food morsels in half to double food the supply they eventually ran out anyway. But at least they were all multi-trillionaires when they died.

The moral of the story: Social justice creates lasting equality. In the end all are equally and eternally dead.

Are you saying that we should not live by the rule of law and that we should "cull" the bulk of the world's population to ensure the peace and prosperity of those left? Wouldn't those greedy murderers who are left be the ones who should by rights be culled from the population?

We live in a world of abundance that we can't see, as we've been trained from birth to think of it in terms of scarcity of resources. Most would rather see half the human population sent to the gas chamber or the oven rather than the "unthinkable alternative" of not having a cellphone or big screen TV.

Given a side to take, I think I'd rather die with the rest of the "useless eaters."...Dead or not, at least I'd be on the side of right, justice, and the rule of law.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -- Jimi Hendrix

I humbly suggest that this has occurred without the need for an "Armageddon" to be fought, or perhaps that Armageddon has already been fought in a way that no one imagined, and that we have won. All that remains is to inform the soldiers still in their trenches that the war is over, and it is now time to bury the hatchets, beat our swords into plowshares and get back to work.

"The Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." ~ Benjamin Franklin

He that lives upon hope will die fasting."
Benjamin Franklin
wonder if anyone told Barry yet?


"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Adrian Rogers, 1931

Ugly classism is what you get when people who haven't earned wealth see the one who have and make the false claim that the latter had an unfair advantage over the former.

Sure you can...All you have to do is tell the theiving banksters to give the wealth back to the people who earned it.



Truer words were never spoken.

Depends on what you mean by an incentive. Why would a person go to work at a job they many not like, if they can sit at home and get paid anyway?

Are they rewarded for earning a little extra money? No, they are basically penalized for showing the incentive to work when their check is reduced.

I don't personally care what name a privilege is given,, if it takes someone else's efforts,, like providing and generating utilities, or shelter, or food,,,,it requires an appreciation in the form of reciprocated EFFORT,,,,

ugly classism is what you get when people ASSUME the character or worthiness of another INDIVIDUAL based upon their financial status in life

slaves were 'paid' in food and shelter

all 'payment' isn't worth the price

and the dehumanization, belittlement, and subjugation that is required of those who 'sit at home and get paid' with welfare,, is about as worth it as the food and shelter was to slaves,,,

... or you assume that a person's better financial status is due to the person having a privilege that others don't have.

And you were a slave when?....I think you made that statement up Harmony.....