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So what is wrong with a poor work ethic?
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Leigh wrote:
If you don't see the relevance of spending $60 on wants, not needs, tell it to the woman boitching about having her free food money cut back by 38 bucks....Tell her to take it out of her "personal appearance" fund  I know, right? The vast majority of poor people (in the US!) spend far more money than I do on wants. They define them as needs simply because they have an entitlement attitude. |
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So what is wrong with a poor work ethic? IMO, nothing! At times, I have had a very poor work ethic. The problem is when you think things should be *given* to you, or that you should just take them. Hell, thats even a problem when you have a strong work ethic. Industrious thieves are a bigger problem than lazy thieves. |
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So what is wrong with a poor work ethic?  What is this thing that you humans call "work"?
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 11/09/13 03:55 AM
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"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty" -Ben Franklin. A Florida mother complained that her SNAP payments were being cut by 36.00 a month. She said that she had two daughters living with her. One was pregnant, with no father, the other had a child living with them. she claimed that both daughters were unable to work because of having children at home. Someone has to take responsibility for this. Who should it be? 
Someone posted that article on FB along with a picture of the mother who was sporting a fresh hair cut and dye job (red ), eye liner and mascara, lip liner and lip stick...My question was how in the hell does she afford the hair cuts, hair dye, and makeup and why are the daughters having babies they can't afford?!!
hair dye costs about five bucks, the above mentioned makeup can be purchased for about 15, the hair cut,, maybe 40 in a months time (or possibly longer), I don't see what relevance spending sixty bucks on personal appearance has to do with anything,,,, If you don't see the relevance of spending $60 on wants, not needs, tell it to the woman boitching about having her free food money cut back by 38 bucks....Tell her to take it out of her "personal appearance" fund Plus you have no idea if you're correct or even close on what she spends for above mentioned wants, could be quadruple that!...The "relevance" lies within the fact that she claims she can't afford to feed herself and her family ...Food before makeup, hair dye or dye jobs which can cost over $100...Does your silence on the issue of the welfare babies her daughters are producing mean you think that is OK too?...
food is a necessity, there is no excuse to cut back on someones necessity , and certainly not justified because they take a miniscule amount to try to be presentable,,,,,, if people truly want people to get off of 'welfare' they need to think twice before making the ridiculous assumption that appearance can be left untended to people need to upkeep their appearance to move forward so they can afford their own food and in the meantime, they still need to eat I wont comment on the idea that 'daughters' somehow magically produce babies by themselves irresponsibility of the father should condemn the father, not the childs ability to eat and have shelter,,, |
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Does everyone here know what a non-falsifiable hypothesis is? That is what is presented when someone begins talking about alleged "invisible racism, classism, etc." When an accuser can't prove something, the accuser resorts to a non-falsifiable hypothesis as an excuse for not being able to prove an accusation. I Cant see air, but enough people tell me its there for me to not expect black and white print on a screen to 'prove' it to me 'proof' is only as valuable as is the agreement to what the 'proof' means I can show you an orange and a peach,, but if you cant see , it may not be 'proof' to you that they are different cultures in short, can we get past the idea that somehow the only issues or topics that are real or discussable are those that have some uniform standard of 'proof' behind them millions express their experience with racism, history documents American history of racism why keep trying to imply all these people are just insane or looking for something that's not really there? You are talking about racism that is visible, that can be demonstrated to exist. There is a scene in the 1960 movie The Time Machine that illustrates the phenomenon of people behaving as if past conditions remain present. In the movie, people enter bomb shelters upon hearing sirens, despite the fact that there are no more bombs. The people do so because their ancestors had experienced bombs. The same thing happens when people assume "invisible racism" because visible racism took place previously. It is as if they are stuck in a time warp, like the people in the above-mentioned movie. As I mentioned in another thread, people have a tendency to fight the kind of battles that they know how to fight. If a problem is due to something other than racism, and if a person only knows how to fight racism, then that person might make a false cry of "Racism" in an attempt to put up a fight. A straw-man is easier to fight than a real man. and its easier to obsess on what 'may not really happen' than an honest discussion on what we are told over and over again IS HAPPENING none of that has anything to do with racism existing and its tiresome to keep taking this tangent to avoid discussing its affects and modern forms,,,, |
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no need to speculate, just research a little 1973, black unemployment was near 10 percent while white unemployment stood at near 5 today, white unemployment at 9 percent, while black stands at near 18 ,,,,more level? incarceration rates, nearly unchanged for white males,, increase 400 percent for black males more level? ,,one doesn't really need to do much speculating to figure out why the playing field doesn't seem o have become any more 'level' the process has changed the result remains unchanged,,, You just proved my point when I said, "Sadly, some people insist that unequal results must be due unequal opportunity." |
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no need to speculate, just research a little 1973, black unemployment was near 10 percent while white unemployment stood at near 5 today, white unemployment at 9 percent, while black stands at near 18 ,,,,more level? incarceration rates, nearly unchanged for white males,, increase 400 percent for black males more level? ,,one doesn't really need to do much speculating to figure out why the playing field doesn't seem o have become any more 'level' the process has changed the result remains unchanged,,, You just proved my point when I said, "Sadly, some people insist that unequal results must be due unequal opportunity." |
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no need to speculate, just research a little 1973, black unemployment was near 10 percent while white unemployment stood at near 5 today, white unemployment at 9 percent, while black stands at near 18 ,,,,more level? incarceration rates, nearly unchanged for white males,, increase 400 percent for black males more level? ,,one doesn't really need to do much speculating to figure out why the playing field doesn't seem o have become any more 'level' the process has changed the result remains unchanged,,, You just proved my point when I said, "Sadly, some people insist that unequal results must be due unequal opportunity." and some do everything to avoid talking about the possible reality that unequal results CAN be a result of unequal opportunity |
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'proof' is only as valuable as is the agreement to what the 'proof' means Yes, exactly. And if you have a very low standard of evidence, you will likely become - unknown to you - a person doing bad things in the world. Like crying racism when there is none, ignoring racism when there is, and worst of all wrapping yourself up in your comfortable ideology when someone critiques your claim. IMO this works both ways on most discussions today about racism. in short, can we get past the idea that somehow the only issues or topics that are real or discussable are those that have some uniform standard of 'proof' behind them
Funny, I just posted something that would seem to agree with this statement. I think there are ill-defined issues and poorly evidenced and impossible to prove issues that should be discussed. But Dodo is still right about the fondness many have for crying racism for reasons other than racism. why keep trying to imply all these people are just insane or looking for something that's not really there?
He never did. he did,, people hid from bomb sirens even though there weren't really bombs? if that's not implying that a serious issue is probably all in peoples minds,, millions of people experiencing that issue EVERY DAY,, like some group hallucination,,, I don't know what is,,, |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sat 11/09/13 09:05 AM
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"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty" -Ben Franklin. A Florida mother complained that her SNAP payments were being cut by 36.00 a month. She said that she had two daughters living with her. One was pregnant, with no father, the other had a child living with them. she claimed that both daughters were unable to work because of having children at home. Someone has to take responsibility for this. Who should it be?
Someone posted that article on FB along with a picture of the mother who was sporting a fresh hair cut and dye job (red ), eye liner and mascara, lip liner and lip stick...My question was how in the hell does she afford the hair cuts, hair dye, and makeup and why are the daughters having babies they can't afford?!!
hair dye costs about five bucks, the above mentioned makeup can be purchased for about 15, the hair cut,, maybe 40 in a months time (or possibly longer), I don't see what relevance spending sixty bucks on personal appearance has to do with anything,,,, If you don't see the relevance of spending $60 on wants, not needs, tell it to the woman boitching about having her free food money cut back by 38 bucks....Tell her to take it out of her "personal appearance" fund Plus you have no idea if you're correct or even close on what she spends for above mentioned wants, could be quadruple that!...The "relevance" lies within the fact that she claims she can't afford to feed herself and her family ...Food before makeup, hair dye or dye jobs which can cost over $100...Does your silence on the issue of the welfare babies her daughters are producing mean you think that is OK too?...
food is a necessity, there is no excuse to cut back on someones necessity , and certainly not justified because they take a miniscule amount to try to be presentable,,,,,, if people truly want people to get off of 'welfare' they need to think twice before making the ridiculous assumption that appearance can be left untended to people need to upkeep their appearance to move forward so they can afford their own food and in the meantime, they still need to eat I wont comment on the idea that 'daughters' somehow magically produce babies by themselves irresponsibility of the father should condemn the father, not the childs ability to eat and have shelter,,, Presentable means soap and water, a comb and brush, toothpaste and a toothbrush, a nail file, and clean cloths, it does not mean trying to look like Ozzie Osborn"s wife....No matter how you spin it, rational people will agree, you buy the NECESSITIES FIRST then, if there is anything left over, you spend it on pinkish purple hair dye so you can get hired!!!  Pinkish purple hair should make a fabulous statement about work skills and ethic....Hahahaha!.....As to the babies....Maybe the mother with the magenta hair should tell her daughters to ask the fatherS (plural) to kick in 18 bucks each (and that's assuming there are only two men involved in this breeding for profit scheme) to make up the difference... ...Yeah, lets blame the fathers, they're probably still running as fast and as far away from those three broads as they can get!
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People will spend their money and food stamps according to how much they get. In life, if your food money is cut, (and it is every day as food prices keep going up) then you learn to chose the less expensive route to feeding your family, like cutting out prepared foods like pizza and frozen dinners, and you start cooking your own food at home. You buy regular rice and cook it instead of instant rice.
When you have very little money to live on you become more creative. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 11/09/13 09:03 AM
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I know a woman in Alabama who raised nine children on almost nothing. Her husband was in the service when servicemen did not get paid what they do today. She got little over $50.00 a month from him. What did she do? She planted a garden every year. She fed her family on catfish she caught, and gofer turtles from the swamp. She was an amazing cook and gardener.
She was my mother-in-law. An amazing woman. p.s. Have you ever heard the jingle for campbells soup? mmm mmm good mmm mmm good Camples chicken soup is mm mm good! She wrote it. It was a contest. They used it for YEARS!! They only paid her $50.00 for it |
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I know a woman in Alabama who raised nine children on almost nothing. Her husband was in the service when servicemen did not get paid what they do today. She got little over $50.00 a month from him. What did she do? She planted a garden every year. She fed her family on catfish she caught, and gofer turtles from the swamp. She was an amazing cook and gardener. She was my mother-in-law. An amazing woman.  
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"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty" -Ben Franklin. A Florida mother complained that her SNAP payments were being cut by 36.00 a month. She said that she had two daughters living with her. One was pregnant, with no father, the other had a child living with them. she claimed that both daughters were unable to work because of having children at home. Someone has to take responsibility for this. Who should it be?
Someone posted that article on FB along with a picture of the mother who was sporting a fresh hair cut and dye job (red ), eye liner and mascara, lip liner and lip stick...My question was how in the hell does she afford the hair cuts, hair dye, and makeup and why are the daughters having babies they can't afford?!!
hair dye costs about five bucks, the above mentioned makeup can be purchased for about 15, the hair cut,, maybe 40 in a months time (or possibly longer), I don't see what relevance spending sixty bucks on personal appearance has to do with anything,,,, If you don't see the relevance of spending $60 on wants, not needs, tell it to the woman boitching about having her free food money cut back by 38 bucks....Tell her to take it out of her "personal appearance" fund Plus you have no idea if you're correct or even close on what she spends for above mentioned wants, could be quadruple that!...The "relevance" lies within the fact that she claims she can't afford to feed herself and her family ...Food before makeup, hair dye or dye jobs which can cost over $100...Does your silence on the issue of the welfare babies her daughters are producing mean you think that is OK too?...
food is a necessity, there is no excuse to cut back on someones necessity , and certainly not justified because they take a miniscule amount to try to be presentable,,,,,, if people truly want people to get off of 'welfare' they need to think twice before making the ridiculous assumption that appearance can be left untended to people need to upkeep their appearance to move forward so they can afford their own food and in the meantime, they still need to eat I wont comment on the idea that 'daughters' somehow magically produce babies by themselves irresponsibility of the father should condemn the father, not the childs ability to eat and have shelter,,, Presentable means soap and water, a comb and brush, toothpaste and a toothbrush, a nail file, and clean cloths, it does not mean trying to look like Ozzie Osborn"s wife....No matter how you spin it, rational people will agree, you buy the NECESSITIES FIRST then, if there is anything left over, you spend it on pinkish purple hair dye so you can get hired!!! Pinkish purple hair should make a fabulous statement about work skills and ethic....Hahahaha!.....As to the babies....Maybe the mother with the magenta hair should tell her daughters to ask the fatherS (plural) to kick in 18 bucks each (and that's assuming there are only two men involved in this breeding for profit scheme) to make up the difference... ...Yeah, lets blame the fathers, they're probably still running as fast and as far away from those three broads as they can get!
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"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty" -Ben Franklin. A Florida mother complained that her SNAP payments were being cut by 36.00 a month. She said that she had two daughters living with her. One was pregnant, with no father, the other had a child living with them. she claimed that both daughters were unable to work because of having children at home. Someone has to take responsibility for this. Who should it be?
Someone posted that article on FB along with a picture of the mother who was sporting a fresh hair cut and dye job (red ), eye liner and mascara, lip liner and lip stick...My question was how in the hell does she afford the hair cuts, hair dye, and makeup and why are the daughters having babies they can't afford?!!
hair dye costs about five bucks, the above mentioned makeup can be purchased for about 15, the hair cut,, maybe 40 in a months time (or possibly longer), I don't see what relevance spending sixty bucks on personal appearance has to do with anything,,,, If you don't see the relevance of spending $60 on wants, not needs, tell it to the woman boitching about having her free food money cut back by 38 bucks....Tell her to take it out of her "personal appearance" fund Plus you have no idea if you're correct or even close on what she spends for above mentioned wants, could be quadruple that!...The "relevance" lies within the fact that she claims she can't afford to feed herself and her family ...Food before makeup, hair dye or dye jobs which can cost over $100...Does your silence on the issue of the welfare babies her daughters are producing mean you think that is OK too?...
food is a necessity, there is no excuse to cut back on someones necessity , and certainly not justified because they take a miniscule amount to try to be presentable,,,,,, if people truly want people to get off of 'welfare' they need to think twice before making the ridiculous assumption that appearance can be left untended to people need to upkeep their appearance to move forward so they can afford their own food and in the meantime, they still need to eat I wont comment on the idea that 'daughters' somehow magically produce babies by themselves irresponsibility of the father should condemn the father, not the childs ability to eat and have shelter,,, Presentable means soap and water, a comb and brush, toothpaste and a toothbrush, a nail file, and clean cloths, it does not mean trying to look like Ozzie Osborn"s wife....No matter how you spin it, rational people will agree, you buy the NECESSITIES FIRST then, if there is anything left over, you spend it on pinkish purple hair dye so you can get hired!!! Pinkish purple hair should make a fabulous statement about work skills and ethic....Hahahaha!.....As to the babies....Maybe the mother with the magenta hair should tell her daughters to ask the fatherS (plural) to kick in 18 bucks each (and that's assuming there are only two men involved in this breeding for profit scheme) to make up the difference... ...Yeah, lets blame the fathers, they're probably still running as fast and as far away from those three broads as they can get!
wow,, just wow I work at a place where there are THEE OR FOUR < WHITE GIRLS< with multi colored hair,, its no more free than the hair brush an minimum items YOU Insist should be in the budget makes absolutely NO difference in whether or not children should have food to eat or shelter or toiletries o clean clothes,, etc lets instead debase the mothers who are trying to take care of their kids for spending 15 or 20 bucks here and there on themselves, while we giggle at the fathers choice to do NOTHING,,, ,,,to each their own,, her hair color still has NOTHING to do with taking away food from the kids,,, no matter how classism brainwashes people into believing It does yeah, if she were driving a Mercedes or had a CLOSET of Gucci,, but because she chooses to spend something on HAIR DYE? really? that makes her less worthy of having food for her kids? |
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People will spend their money and food stamps according to how much they get. In life, if your food money is cut, (and it is every day as food prices keep going up) then you learn to chose the less expensive route to feeding your family, like cutting out prepared foods like pizza and frozen dinners, and you start cooking your own food at home. You buy regular rice and cook it instead of instant rice. When you have very little money to live on you become more creative. this is true, people become creative to survive slaves were very creative, and I Get that it doesn't mean though that the situation that made them creative didn't need to change,, |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Sat 11/09/13 06:56 PM
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no need to speculate, just research a little 1973, black unemployment was near 10 percent while white unemployment stood at near 5 today, white unemployment at 9 percent, while black stands at near 18 ,,,,more level? incarceration rates, nearly unchanged for white males,, increase 400 percent for black males more level? ,,one doesn't really need to do much speculating to figure out why the playing field doesn't seem o have become any more 'level' the process has changed the result remains unchanged,,, You just proved my point when I said, "Sadly, some people insist that unequal results must be due unequal opportunity." and some do everything to avoid talking about the possible reality that unequal results CAN be a result of unequal opportunity There is a difference between what can be and assuming something must be because it happened before. Suppose that one claims, "Although I can't see it, it must be there because it was there before. I can't see it because it is invisible." The claim falsely assumes that "it" could not have been removed or eliminated. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 11/09/13 07:37 PM
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Msharmony,
Your post is obviously an article someone else wrote. It is not about race however, it is about poverty. So your reference to "slaves" injects your racial POV. To quote from your article: "Poverty is generational: if you are brought up in poverty, you are greatly influenced by your childhood." The truth of this statement fails to point out that people brought up in poverty have learned what is often called "poverty consciousness." That is a particular mindset of beliefs that keep them in a perpetuation state of poverty. Poverty has nothing to do with how hard a person works. Many poor people work very hard. It has to do with what a person believes. If you don't believe that abundance is possible for you, you will likely never achieve it. If you believe that you will always be poor then you probably will be. We manifest our reality by what we perceive and believe. If we grew up in poverty believing that we will always have to work hard but we will never have abundance then that is how our lives will unfold. If all we lived and all we have seen in our lives is poverty then that is what we believe and perpetuate. It is a state of mind and belief that keep people in poverty. |
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Plenty of people have escaped poverty because they did more than just work hard. They escaped because they also took risks and made wise decisions.
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