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uche9aa Joined Mon 08/15/11 Posts: 1986	Fri 10/18/13 05:23 AM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids?

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Fri 10/18/13 05:20 PM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa.

uche9aa Joined Mon 08/15/11 Posts: 1986	Mon 10/21/13 02:49 AM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa. They have passed and signed child right bill into law here but none pays it any attention.We simply dont want kids here to be morally bankrupt like the west.We grow strong by bullying and succeed when faced with hardship in life

josie68 Joined Mon 11/22/10 Posts: 6270	Mon 10/21/13 02:58 AM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa. They have passed and signed child right bill into law here but none pays it any attention.We simply dont want kids here to be morally bankrupt like the west.We grow strong by bullying and succeed when faced with hardship in life Seriously, If anyone bullied my kids I would give them a good kick up the rear end. Bullies are just not nice. I have 6 children and the only time I have ever been called up to the school is when my sons stopped a boy who was bullying others by punching him and knocking him out. Is this acceptable no , kids don't have to be bullied to be strong. my 4 boys are big, strong and great young men, but they would never bully someone else and they wouldn't stand there and watch someone be bullied. I don't know if I live in the west, but my children are not Morally bankrupt, they are fine young men and women who stand up for whats right, and it's not bullying. { Just my opinion}

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/21/13 03:24 AM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa. They have passed and signed child right bill into law here but none pays it any attention.We simply dont want kids here to be morally bankrupt like the west.We grow strong by bullying and succeed when faced with hardship in life Like in Rwanda and other places? Really acting out?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/21/13 03:28 AM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa. They have passed and signed child right bill into law here but none pays it any attention.We simply dont want kids here to be morally bankrupt like the west.We grow strong by bullying and succeed when faced with hardship in life Yes,we do have a lot of morally bankrupt Child-Soldiers here in the west for true!

charlesnwoga Joined Wed 08/28/13 Posts: 4	Mon 10/21/13 03:51 AM
This phenomena is so because the African societies are mared with lots of hardship.Considering the socio economics and political system and also the animalism of the leaders builds the resistence or makes an African child more resilient than the American counterparts.

uche9aa Joined Mon 08/15/11 Posts: 1986	Mon 10/21/13 04:14 AM Edited by uche9aa on Mon 10/21/13 04:16 AM
This phenomena is so because the African societies are mared with lots of hardship.Considering the socio economics and political system and also the animalism of the leaders builds the resistence or makes an African child more resilient than the American counterparts. Without that so called "bullying",it would be very hard for the kids whose parents are either dead because of wars or extreme poverty or cant cope with the hard economic reality occasioned by corrupt leaders.Its not strange to see kids of twelve years old in Africa living alone unaided,paying house rents,going to school,etc."Bullying" here doesnt really mean maltreatment or child abuse,It implies tough training for tough time ahead in life

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Mon 10/21/13 10:54 AM
I think comparing this as a regional thing is so far off base that it borders on the ridiculous. First, Yes bullying(even child abuse) can make someone stronger, whether in America or Africa, Take for instance the child that grew up with an abusive dad, the child may very well start looking to improve himself physically, so that one day he can stand up to his father, he may take karate lessons, join a boxing gym, or any other number of ways, and when he's older he may be one hell of a fighter, after all he was trained on how to take a hit from a very early age. He may even get the point where he goes home and knocks out his father(or possibly even beats him to death) He may be very proud that is now "A man" This may be seen as strength by some, but MORAL strength? Doubtful Most likely this kid will grow up thinking that being strong is all that matters and "weaker" people need to just "man up" and be strong enough to come against him, this victim then becomes the bully, then you have problems like corrupt leaders who start wars that make 12 year old boys have to be raised without parents. If you can teach someone to actually CARE about the other people who they see as "weaker" than our world will eventually be a better place, However, for that to happen people need to realize that strength/power isn't the most desirable thing, and often only leads to more abuse

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/21/13 11:01 AM
I think comparing this as a regional thing is so far off base that it borders on the ridiculous. First, Yes bullying(even child abuse) can make someone stronger, whether in America or Africa, Take for instance the child that grew up with an abusive dad, the child may very well start looking to improve himself physically, so that one day he can stand up to his father, he may take karate lessons, join a boxing gym, or any other number of ways, and when he's older he may be one hell of a fighter, after all he was trained on how to take a hit from a very early age. He may even get the point where he goes home and knocks out his father(or possibly even beats him to death) He may be very proud that is now "A man" This may be seen as strength by some, but MORAL strength? Doubtful Most likely this kid will grow up thinking that being strong is all that matters and "weaker" people need to just "man up" and be strong enough to come against him, this victim then becomes the bully, then you have problems like corrupt leaders who start wars that make 12 year old boys have to be raised without parents. If you can teach someone to actually CARE about the other people who they see as "weaker" than our world will eventually be a better place, However, for that to happen people need to realize that strength/power isn't the most desirable thing, and often only leads to more abuse

josie68 Joined Mon 11/22/10 Posts: 6270	Mon 10/21/13 12:48 PM
I think comparing this as a regional thing is so far off base that it borders on the ridiculous. First, Yes bullying(even child abuse) can make someone stronger, whether in America or Africa, Take for instance the child that grew up with an abusive dad, the child may very well start looking to improve himself physically, so that one day he can stand up to his father, he may take karate lessons, join a boxing gym, or any other number of ways, and when he's older he may be one hell of a fighter, after all he was trained on how to take a hit from a very early age. He may even get the point where he goes home and knocks out his father(or possibly even beats him to death) He may be very proud that is now "A man" This may be seen as strength by some, but MORAL strength? Doubtful Most likely this kid will grow up thinking that being strong is all that matters and "weaker" people need to just "man up" and be strong enough to come against him, this victim then becomes the bully, then you have problems like corrupt leaders who start wars that make 12 year old boys have to be raised without parents. If you can teach someone to actually CARE about the other people who they see as "weaker" than our world will eventually be a better place, However, for that to happen people need to realize that strength/power isn't the most desirable thing, and often only leads to more abuse

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/21/13 02:18 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 10/21/13 02:19 PM
I think there is a cultural language barrier in reading Uchea comments, I think what he labels 'bullying' is more like tough love which does work better on some kids than on others,, although its not a strict black or white issue,,, but a cultural one spanking works on some kids, 'time outs' on others,,,each kid hss a different temperament, a different balance in their environment, and learns different priorities

uche9aa Joined Mon 08/15/11 Posts: 1986	Tue 10/22/13 01:03 AM
I think there is a cultural language barrier in reading Uchea comments, I think what he labels 'bullying' is more like tough love which does work better on some kids than on others,, although its not a strict black or white issue,,, but a cultural one spanking works on some kids, 'time outs' on others,,,each kid hss a different temperament, a different balance in their environment, and learns different priorities Thats exactly the point

PacificStar48 Joined Tue 10/02/07 Posts: 13764	Mon 11/04/13 01:23 PM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? This the most ridiculous thing I think I have read. Bullying, the dominance of one over another because or size, power, or strength is wrong wherever it happens. It is not constructive and does nothing to inspire, motivate, or protect a poorer or weaker person at the time or later in life. All bullying does is injure the child physically and emotionally and teach them the only alternative is using a weapon that makes them a criminal and puts them at even greater risk or become submissive and usually discouraged even depressed or submissive aggressive. I don't buy this is a language barrier. What I do buy this is thug/racist rhetoric that may or may not be the words of any African but highly doubt it. The very limited exposure I have had to educated African's they would find this kind of thinking as reprehensible.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 11/04/13 01:54 PM
I think there is a cultural language barrier in reading Uchea comments, I think what he labels 'bullying' is more like tough love which does work better on some kids than on others,, although its not a strict black or white issue,,, but a cultural one spanking works on some kids, 'time outs' on others,,,each kid hss a different temperament, a different balance in their environment, and learns different priorities I don't think that American Kids kill themselves over Tough Love,but they sure do about Bullying! So I am not sure that your Argument about 'Cultural Language difference' is holding water!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 11/04/13 02:09 PM Edited by willing2 on Mon 11/04/13 02:12 PM
Spoiled American custom. Women raise the boys and girls. Most African cultures Men and other boys raise the boys. Not about abuse. It's about raising them to be strong men. Sad that many African kids are taken in by gangs, tyrant community leaders and teaching them cold blooded murder. Gangs in the states initiate by bullying. Where are the pacifists stopping that?

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 11/04/13 03:36 PM
I think comparing this as a regional thing is so far off base that it borders on the ridiculous. First, Yes bullying(even child abuse) can make someone stronger, whether in America or Africa, Take for instance the child that grew up with an abusive dad, the child may very well start looking to improve himself physically, so that one day he can stand up to his father, he may take karate lessons, join a boxing gym, or any other number of ways, and when he's older he may be one hell of a fighter, after all he was trained on how to take a hit from a very early age. He may even get the point where he goes home and knocks out his father(or possibly even beats him to death) He may be very proud that is now "A man" This may be seen as strength by some, but MORAL strength? Doubtful Most likely this kid will grow up thinking that being strong is all that matters and "weaker" people need to just "man up" and be strong enough to come against him, this victim then becomes the bully, then you have problems like corrupt leaders who start wars that make 12 year old boys have to be raised without parents. If you can teach someone to actually CARE about the other people who they see as "weaker" than our world will eventually be a better place, However, for that to happen people need to realize that strength/power isn't the most desirable thing, and often only leads to more abuse Every once in awhile someone nails it...Well said Issaac!!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 11/04/13 03:55 PM
I think there is a cultural language barrier in reading Uchea comments, I think what he labels 'bullying' is more like tough love which does work better on some kids than on others,, although its not a strict black or white issue,,, but a cultural one spanking works on some kids, 'time outs' on others,,,each kid hss a different temperament, a different balance in their environment, and learns different priorities I don't think that American Kids kill themselves over Tough Love,but they sure do about Bullying! So I am not sure that your Argument about 'Cultural Language difference' is holding water! I disagree,, I think that at home is where children learn coping skills if they aren't having any 'tough love' at home, they are less likely to deal with tough situations out in the world they have a false sense of safety and being the center of the world if they are too coddled at home, leaving them unable to handle when others in the world treat them otherwise,,, just my opinion though, its not an absolute, Im sure some of the suicides will have homes where abuse and bullying are present I just think its probably more the norm that they are either pampered at home or left to do whatever makes them happy with very little reaction (negative or positive) one way or the other,,,

PacificStar48 Joined Tue 10/02/07 Posts: 13764	Mon 11/04/13 07:10 PM
Exercising "TOUGH LOVE" has absolutely nothing to do with bullying and everything to do with reasonable and consistent consequences to prepare a child to live in the real world so they can learn how to cope with difficult situations not be dominated by them.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Mon 11/04/13 07:28 PM
Why does bullying make African kids stronger but kills the American kids? Interesting, what is your analogy? I've never done the comparison. Give an example if you will, uche9aa. They have passed and signed child right bill into law here but none pays it any attention.We simply dont want kids here to be morally bankrupt like the west.We grow strong by bullying and succeed when faced with hardship in life Seriously, If anyone bullied my kids I would give them a good kick up the rear end. Bullies are just not nice. I have 6 children and the only time I have ever been called up to the school is when my sons stopped a boy who was bullying others by punching him and knocking him out. Is this acceptable no , kids don't have to be bullied to be strong. my 4 boys are big, strong and great young men, but they would never bully someone else and they wouldn't stand there and watch someone be bullied. I don't know if I live in the west, but my children are not Morally bankrupt, they are fine young men and women who stand up for whats right, and it's not bullying. { Just my opinion} it's more than just your opinion , it is correct. moral relativism has no place here. bullying is wrong period.. bullies are weak not strong. also they are not usually particularly bright in my experience