The funny thing is that you contradicted yourself STILL. How are you consciously responding to an "incomprehensible" post? it's double standards. You obviously understood what I said so your arguement is invalid. As for school, I'm sure that most curriculums teach about answering a question. If not I can help you though bro. There's the website called Google (I think) yea, but you can search for like, almost anything dude. Try searching the definition of both question and answer. Spread the word to every1 else. O Nd F u Kant spell them just come back to this post, I don't mind. Anyways, if yhu Kant andsore a simp o question then here I'd luv 2 cuntinue argewing. Wild Thu prefer meh 2 uze my afrikan American grammar (if you're even able to read that as well)? Lol, your pick.

Sorry mate. I only understood about half of that.

I guess that I'm just not hip to the lingo young folks use these days. And yeah, it would be easier if you just spoke English. You aren't as bad as some of the posters on here though. I'll give you that.

I don't like to be racist about it though and there's actually no rule on here about having to use English. Some sites do have that rule because then the mods can't tell if you are flaming but I think that you got away with it.

Dude, look. I'm young, bitter, stupid, curious and immature. All I was asking you damn people was WHY is it that what teacher's do outside of school ALWAYS I.pact their job. Seriously. Its like they are robots. A teacher a few years back got fired because she USED to strip for money and they found out far after she started working there. I'm just trying to understand how society lets **** like this happen. How do people know that she wasn't struggling to support -enter number here- children as a single mom? The school just sees pictures and assum automatically, (whore)

Buddy, you have already answered your own question. I don't give a toss if a teacher works as a stripper or a hooker when she's not at school and I told you that I didn't have a problem with my mate dating our old English teacher. That's just me though and I'm not sending my kids to school with women that do that. Some people are and then they take them out of that school because they don't like it. A school is a business and if they lose customers they lose money.

Yea ok. Guessing that if a teacher was homosexual you woukdnt want your children around that teacher either?

It's not.. it is the perception of the one asking the question. If you are doing any thing you are uncomfortable with it will shine through so that others pick up on it. People don't care what any one else is doing in their personal life unless they have something personal to gain. So Teachers that date one time students enjoy your life , love and relationships. It is the rest of the world that has to grow up and mind their own beeze wax.

it is a litigious nightmare for the school

it becomes a he said she said IF The student ever claims the relationship started prior to their being age of consent

the school is within their right to protect their civil liabilities in such a case


there may be more to the story than is being told,, as in, how would anyone else know unless there was some direct contact during school witnessed by others who may later make a claim of impropriety,,,

You're not reading what I'm saying again man. There's no "either" about it. I told you that I don't care.

I went to school with a guy that was queer. He was a friend of mine, although he was just a bit poofy and there was nothing sexual about our friendship. He teaches drama and guidance at a school here. I don't think that he's beasting up little kids and it makes no difference if a peado is grooming boys or girls.

If actual teachers are not complaining about the standard of ethics that they are expected to abide by, then what is the problem?

Are teachers saying that they aren't allowed to have lives?
If they aren't saying that, then the alleged "problem" is only in the mind of a disgruntled ex-student.

Well, I'm not sure what our friend would say to that but I'll take the liberty of speaking for him.

He seems to be claiming that he's romantically involved with an ex teacher of his and that they are conducting their relationship in secret. Well, she's hardly going to complain about it if she is breaking a rule that would cost her her job.

It seems that the deeper the thread gets, the more confused you people get as well. Forget it. I quit. And f.y., no. The answer you made for me was a crumb of the cookie, but good attempt. I've repeated myself several times. It couldn't be explained better in kindergarten. Instead, I get a response saying I don't care. In which case, I'm not talking to the people who completely supports interfering/worrying about the lives of others. There was a principal in new jersey who was secretly a terrorist. He treated all of the children at the school just fine and parents loved him. Had the parents not known, they'd STILL trust him. But people judge based on what they hear or "think". Well to finish the story, it turns out that the principal had a family in another country that he didn't want to let down. That's why he was a terrorist. Now look at the odds of KNOWING/WANTING TO KNOW (Being nosey) and NOT KNOWING/Doing the natural thing (staying out if the businesses of others). See how what you THINK impacts people. Sending your kids to a teacher who does this that or the other with their life is none of your business. How do you know that teachers don't like teaching children of -personal information here- parents. Double standards as I Saud before. That's the problem with society. So quick to ****ing judge instead of trying to relate. The fat girl you make fun of has an eating disorder. That nerdy kid that you pick on commits suicide the next day. That girl everyone "CALLS" a slut has a sex addiction due to her being constantly raped. These are all examples but of course I'm not expecting you two to understand. Of course other posters, feel free to also join their sides. You'll only be doing nothing more than proving my point.

Buddy, I used to be a guitar teacher and I taught some kids. One time this guy booked a lesson for his two young kids and I had been trying to work out something easy that my students could play. It was Venus in furs. That dude never brought those kids back again.

A teacher is put in a responsible position teaching impressionable children. If people think that there's anything dodgy about a teacher he's going to have a hard time getting a job and that's just the way it is. If they found out that a teacher was on heroin he would probably be sacked, even if there was no rule against it and he wasn't bringing it into school. A teacher is not just someone that puts knowledge into your head. They are supposed to be role models.

I know a guy that was sacked from a job that had nothing to do with children because he was dealing drugs. He might not have been doing it at work but he might have been.

I say that I don't care if you are dating a woman that used to be your teacher and even that's not good enough for you and you still chuck your toys out of the pram. Just trying to explain to you how people think and whether you like it or not, someone that works with children these days has to have a spotless reputation.

It was a long time ago when I was a schoolkid and things have changed a lot since then. They used to tell us not to go with strangers but the fact of the matter is that most people that abuse children are not strangers and these days if you want to get a job working with kids they check you out thoroughly and you have to be whiter than white.

There isn't any problem. I'm surprised this BS argument has gone on for 4 pages.


Having been a teacher, I can say "nope". It comes with the territory.


Yup

I'm not sure that's entirely fair but that's your point of view as someone that has been a teacher.

When I was studying philosophy at Edinburgh University we all went to the pub with the tutor one night. I was having quite a few beers that night but the tutor wasn't drinking much and he said to me that, "My thing is dope". Now, I don't know if the university knew that, or if they would have cared but they might have done. He was also sharing a flat with one of the students.

I don't think that it's a BS argument and I can sort of understand this kid's complaint because he's saying that it's like teachers are robots and they all have to follow the same standards of ethics. Well, philosophers have been arguing for centuries about ethics and moral standards do change over time.

I had a guidance teacher that actually said to a class one day, "You see lads, there's these people called mongols and I think that they should be shot at birth and use their skins for drums". A teacher couldn't get away with saying something like that these days because it's not politically correct.

I think this is relevant to the topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j75tJNYwWkY

Sure, and you can see various sides of the issue, you can understand his point of view, mine etc. He fails to see any other side than his. And sure age is at play here, but someone his age should be able to see other people's views, that's how we learn, become adults with greater understanding.
All I see happening here is him lashing out and sticking to the same view and argument over and over. So that's why I called it a BS argument. It could have been good, but sometimes you gotta leave someone be with his limited views and trust that life will give him a wider understanding of things.
From what I've read he works like a 14-15 year old. Don't mean that derogatory, just referring to way of thinking. 14-15 yr olds can argue till they drop dead, feel they know everything and aren't open for any other views. Which is okay, part of the process of growing up. Usually someone 18-19 is more open to things and is able to understand the bigger picture a bit.
So ok, maybe not a BS argument, but it has become rather pointless. It's not really going anywhere

Yeah, I agree that his arguments are terrible and he's acting like a petulent child but he raised the topic and I think that it's an interesting one.

I don't think that it particularly matters who the OP of a thread is and he doesn't run the show unless he's a good poster.

He can't see anyone else's point of view but you, as a teacher, should know that some kids are like that. He says that he's trying to understand and maybe one day he will.

Haha, yeah, that's what I said, just trust that he will at some point in life will get it.
And yes, as a teacher and parent I know how youngsters can be, but that also taught me when to just let it slide.
Fact of the matter being that sometimes they cannot understand certain issues yet, as they lack the experience we have got. So accepting that we cannot make them learn, but allow them to learn in their own time, is part of being a parent / teacher too.
Just look back at your own teenage years, how often did we think we knew it all and mum and dad were wrong! Only to think, years later, "shoot, mum/dad was right after all! Now I understand!"
With many things you don't get this until you get your own kids and are stuck with the same dilemmas that your parents were stuck with when you yourself caused them.
Sometimes confronting, but if you can see the irony in it, it's confronting in a funny way :)
I got a lot more understanding and respect for the way my parents did things when my own kids were in their teens. Up to that point I still sort of felt they'd done me wrong back then.
Life's a learning curve, whether your 12, 33, 64, ... :)

Its funny because you dumbasses are doing the samething. The topic isn't going anywhere because you fail to do what you were taught to do on kindergarten, answer a simple question. If I don't raise a valid argument, it would seem like you people would act you "age" and do the mature thing and leave it alone. But no, my age plays a factor right? Full fledged adults who are ALSO robots and don't have freedom, arguing with an 18 y/o right? But, no, I'm the blind one. You see, Crying because I can't understand you when you can't understand ME. Age is just a number f.y.I, and I'd be happy to write another page about all of the (are you smarter than a 5th grader ****) but I'd be wasting my tongue. But all of you complaining are just as bad as I am and aren't proving your points nearly as good as I am. Adding on to the fact that you're the biggest Hippocrates. Also, OF COURSE I CAN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE'S SIDE. That's like saying "slavery is wrong" then people say "you know what, you're too young to understand why we are lynching your ancestors". Like wtf? Why would you want me to understand a side of an arguement that in short, controls the actions of others. I bet if it was your mother or grandmother teaching, and the school said "you can't date anyone from the military because kids will think you are violent", and your mother and father were together befor that rule, you'd shut the ****up and actually UNDERSTAND what im saying. Not to mention a poor excuse like "I can see both sides of the arguement, but he can't". Well, if you can see both sides wtf are you arguing with me for? Also, thanks for at least understanding that teachers are PEOPLE, (above poster). I'm glad you aren't apart of the Government of this thread (the ones to try and dictate).

Also, to answer your question, yes. There are numerous articles on the web about teachers getting fired, taken to court etc. And interviews them saying that they should be able to do -enter here-. You people think that I'm not understanding when in truth, all you have to do is give an answer. Not YOUR take on it. I asked for an answer to a question, not whether it's appropriate or not because I'm sure that you can all see by now that I couldn't possibly give any ****s less.