why do this country have to be the world police?
not being rebellious or anti american, but it's something i've never understood

most of it is politics and the rest is the idea that we have something that everyone wants.

I dont see them as oppressed. I watch a program on 60 minutes and it showed women in Tehran dressed just like women any where!

And even if it was so, what business is it of mine.
If they dont like it then let them take care of their own!

What makes it yours or my right to tell them how to live or run their country? Look around, we aren't doing such a hot job ourselves!

Their culture is their culture, we should seek out good relations with them and treat them as equals. Not tell them how to live and bomb them just for their oil!

Until we invaded Iraq, the Iranians had no problem with us since 1979! I remember them attacking our embassy, kicking our self imposed ruler (the shah) out, and taking hostages!

Believe me there were millions of Iranians country wide glad to be rid of our involvement in their lives! They danced in the streets etc. Not a minority like you presume but millions!

I read that they aren't real happy with their leaders, but I also read we aren't happy with ours! Should Russia attack us and install a government they think we will be happy with?

Not, and we dont need to run around the world installing government's we prefer in every country we chose!

Were you the school house bully, or the bullied?

Doesn't matter, when a bully runs around beating people up and cowing them he doesn't get respect, he gets fear!

The people he bully's dont stand up to his face and slap him back they wait until his backs turned or play tricks on him. Its easier, just like the terrorist do to us!

Nobody wins like we are doing across the world. Not them, look at pictures of life in Iran today, then look at what you saw in Iraq!

We dont win either, we just keep gaining enemies and forcing more of the bullied to become terrorist!

Its the only way they can fight back! Its fear, not respect!

lets see we have to hit them with more than one nuke and we have to wipe out hundreds of thousands of them what's the down side?

just be careful of not waking up the sleeping lion
u never know with what it will strikes u back

personally I think we should slaughter all the babies & school kids first dont all of you?

wow I was going to step away but you said some very good things, asked a couple of questions and so i felt compelled to not end a good conversation.

first no i wasnt the bully or the bullied- i was however the one people came to when they were.

Your assertion that we arent happy with our leaders like the Iranians arent- ending in russia implementing a new rule of law for the land is in my humble opinion not nearly the same thing. we have the right to voe them out- ours is a displeasure brought about by our own uninformed or easily influenced voting pattern. by not keeping our checks and balances in order.

we have had are beefs with iran in the past- major of them being in 79 like you said then being resolved in 80 when they knew reagan wouldnt sit idly by while they held the hostages. resolved by fear, yeah ok, im good with that. let them fear. but i think that you may have it backwards- the fearful sit in congress now- would they act upon an active agressor? think they have already answered that with not so much as a nonbinding resolution to amonish the iranians involvement in IED proliforations for the insurgency in iraq.

I dont think we will ever be the world power we think we are. to do that means to make difficult decisions. No one in DC has the integrity to do that anymore. who could drop a bomb killing thousands to save thousands more today? no one. Im not advocating dropping a bomb but it does put into context what im trying to say.

my main arguement is simple, there certain inalienable right that we as humans have. having said that when those rights are being chosen by anyone other than the people themself then it is a voilation of basic humanity.

addressing what Ive seen in Iraq and comparing it to iran-
imams and mallahs try to set the law. they preach that it is written in the holy book of theirs that it is the duty to kill the infadels in order to gain your admission to heaven. it is the same in both countries but guess what it isnt flying in iraq- the burkas, the stonings, the hate crimes which is why there is continueing strife amongst the different sects in iraq. in iraq if you travel to the north around the kurdish held areas you would even know you were in the same country, i suspect it is the same in iran- obviously i dont know that, but the northerners in iran are kurdish as well so common sense says it is the same.

i dont have the middle east solution, i wish i did. but i would start by some sort of freedom to the people then go from there. as it stands now you are free only to worship as they say you are, choice is not an option. the only reason that the kurdish are left alone is that they are many and the iranian army is fearfull of an uprising there if they try to implement their values on them.

but basically your right, it doesnt bother us any, certainly the oil(which is where i get off of your bandwagon-cause it aint about that!) SO LETS FORGET ABOUT THEM AND GO HAVE A BEER. IF THEY TRY TO ATTACK ISREAL THEN I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM- Isrealis are the strongest toughest army in the world bar none, they have to be, they would make another six day war out of them- thousands more innocent would die because we didnt get involved, but i'll sit back and smoke a cigar and drink some crown while we wait patiently by.

army...why was it Sheryl instead of you....


no justice...

I deactivated yesterday, taking a little time off......

....well, I'm back.....back to stay.

And here's my first order of business, excuse me for going a bit off-topic:

In my time here, I have met a lot of wonderful people. I have talked to them thur these forums, also thru e-mails and, in a few cases, telephone calls. I have agreed with and disagreed with posts made on these forums. But I can honestly say that I have respect for EVERYONE who posts on JSH, whether I'm saying "Right On!" to their postings, or being involved in a good ole knock-down, drag-out with some.

I have agreed with some of what ArmyDoc has posted in the past. I have probably disagreed with more of what he's written. As they say, he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. But I honestly feel there's mutual respect there, as I feel that there's mutual respect between myself and any other posted I happen to be debating with.

That Being Said:

I just read the most recent post on here, submitted by Bl8ant. I won't repeat what it says, everyone can read it. I'm usually the hardest preson in the world to offend, but right now I can honestly say I'm offended.

Bl8ant:

I've never talked to Sheryl. I have read some of her posts, and she seemed like a kind, good-hearted person. How DARE you besmirch her memory by your insensitive, thoughtless, hateful comment. Death is something I wish on no one. I'm stunned that you abuse the memory of someone you call your friend in a vain attempt to get yourself over just because you disagree with what someone else has said. That's taking things WAY too personal here. We agree to disagree here. At the end of the day, we all can sit back and respect one another for keeping things at least somewhat on a casual level. Casual level doesn't mean wishing someone was dead. Statements like yours could make me ashamed to be a JSH member if I didn't know that the VAST majority of people on here are good people.

And that's all I have to say. Blast me if you like. But please think about what you're going to put on here before you actually do.

And to everyone:

I look forward to posting and reading other's posts. As always, feel free to agree or disagree with me anytime. But let's all try not to be hurtful. We can point out why we think others are wrong without sinking to gutter levels.

Thank you all for reading this.

knoxman

wow was someone (a doctor at that) wishing i was dead? no justice can be served on those who bring justice to the wicked. no flippin the bird emocon here.

What I typed on this computer gives no justice to the sarcasm in which it was written however true I may believe it to be in my opinion.

I didnt know sheryl. All I or anyone can do is hope for the family that she left behind to find peace and solice of her memories they share with each other.

what's the matter???


the mirror of your own hypocrisies , too dirty for you to look in???

bl8ant:

Are you referring to me or ArmyDoc?

If it's him. I'm sure he can defend himself. If it's me:

Hypocrisies? No, I've never wished anyone dead before, especially for exercising their God-given right to express their opinion.

I have hated before, but never so much that I wanted anyone removed from this mortal plane.

I stand by my previous post. And I think you owe ArmyDoc AND Sheryl an apology.

And maybe you should take a long look at yourself in the nearest mirror.

It's not you, that much I can tell.

you still don't get it....


i asked why.... i could just as well have said it about myself....


why are any of us alive , why do the scales tip the way they do...

i guess you believe in god so right there we have a different morality ,

you can take a sentence and use it any way your own mind takes it....

yea i think there is no justice, and army doc's contribution to my reality and sheryl's contribution are the only evidence i have....and so


i am not as black as you would like to paint me

I see a larger, more insidious moral issue here..we have reached the point of "enlightenment" in this country where we openly encourage, support, and almost applaud the idea of using nukes & all our military might against another society & it's population....congrats to the current administration for it's use of fear ....(in lockstep with the corporate media) ..fear to the extent that we need to "do something" against another country...for 50 yrs we lived within the mindset that Russian nukes were zeroed in on us...yet we never called out for "nuke first" ask questions later...and now we are to fear a country with no army to speak of, no navy, no air force....and no nukes in the ground ready to go?...
One 911 connection fully documented was a paper trail of money payment to one of the so called hijackers from a pakistani general...do we hear the fear drums beating about this country?...nope...course they have no oil...and are still supporting the dollar maybe...

Can any one you feel the shame from our founding fathers?...

here is your reality:
Why of course the people dont want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?..Naturally the common people dont want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany . That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country. .... Hermann Goering

and if you can still support and encourage this abomination and still call yourself christians....well what can I say except you are delusional

As Forge said earlier, we(the U.S.)have quite the stockpile of Nuclear weapons......

And we're telling other nations that they can't have any of their own, because they might attack someone......

One question:

Who now has a record of invading a sovereign nation WITHOUT provocation?

And WE'RE trying to keep nukes away from everyone else?

That's right, Forge, let's threaten everyone else with our nukes. Let's turn the whole world, except for America and select vacation spots into a series of "glass parking lots" as you put it.

Attitudes like yours are the exact reason this world is in the mess it's in today.

Knox it is not attitudes like mine that make this world a mess, it is the roll over and play dead and maybe the bad guys will leave us alone appeasement mentality that allows murderous dictators to grow and prosper that has put this world in the current situation. When and notice I said "when" not if a rogue terriorist nation uses a nuke against us, you will be the first one in line yelling why didn't someone do something. If there is ever to be world peace, terrorist and the nations cannot be allowed to flourish and turning a blind eye to them and hoping they will go away will not get rid of them. The U.N. is a joke, if you have a plan other than appeasement I would be glad to hear it.

And if YOU have a plan besides nuking the hell out of everyone that looks at us wrong, I'D like to hear it....

Remember, WE are now known as the nation who attacked another without provocation. WE attacked another country and are attempting to bend them to our will. Your way doesn't solve anything, your way only begats more problems. No one said anything about rolling over and playing dead OR turning a blind eye to the situation. I've said before, war IS sometimes necessary. War, however, shouls be used as a LAST resort, not the first and only one that Bushco. was interested in. What about the reports (from Bush insiders themselves) that said Bushco. was planning an Iraqi invasion almost from the moment he entered office? Or will you dismiss that as a "wild conspiracy theory" as you usually do when you fail to debunk something you don't agree with?

Knoxman...."WE are now known as the nation who attacked another without provocation"
What country are you talking about?