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msharmony
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voting is RIGHT,, receiving welfare isn't
whats hard about that its not just those on welfare who are being affected, contrary to the propaganda being used to push this nonsense many in urban areas, many in impoverished areas (not on welfare) And many seniors,, don't have the resource, time and money to be renewing photo ids the rest of their life just to exercise a right to vote,,, many older people don't even have a birth certificate and would have a hard time getting one because of their age and the records kept, many don't drive nor engage in activities that are requiring a photo id,,,, this is an unconstitutional burden on many that shouldn't fly |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Okay, I'm slightly confused here.  If I'm wrong, MsHarmony, please forgive me. Are you really arguing AGAINST voter ID? You actually OPPOSE a person having to show a picture ID to vote legally?  You seem to agree you should need ID to register, correct? But yet you don't want them to give you a specific voter ID WHEN you register, one with YOUR picture on it, and YOUR signature on it, so that when you show up to actually vote at your precinct, the officials can compare your picture to your person and verify your identity? Instead you argue that you should just show the ID when you register and get a card that is basically worthless as far as identifying an individual. I could give my card to any female and she could say she was me and how would they know at the precinct? They wouldn't. Not that I would ever do that but with the current system, I could! That certainly doesn't seem right. I just don't see how it's discriminatory to anyone to require ID to vote. I have to show an ID to cash a check anywhere. I have to have picture ID to board an airplane. You're okay with having to show photo ID to GET a non-photo voter card, but not with getting an actual photo voter ID? And I wonder why I work myself into a tizzy trying to figure things out...  bnks and check csshing are not constitutional rights,, they require fees as well as card renewals and fees to vote are illegal as far as a voter id, ,that is not what is being proposed if you are speaking about an id when one registers with their picture on It, I am ALL FOR IT however, what is proposed is photo ids at the EXPENSE and INCONVENIENCE of a voter EVERY TIME they vote in an election,,,,,voters who don't all have convenient locations or finances by which to get to offices like social security or birth/death records, to OBTAIN a photo id from the state we are talking about a RECURRING expense to be able to vote, which is classist and unconstitutional,,,,, an actual VOTER ID, issued when one registers, which has no expiration or renewal fees,,,all for it why don't you suggest that to the people trying to make urban, impoverished, and elderly pay repeatedly throughout life to exercise their right to vote? So just to clarify because I don't want to assume things here... You need to show documents that confirm your identity to get the voter card (birth certificate, passport, SS card, photo driver license, etc.) but then you have to keep these documents somewhere and show them again at the next election to get a new voter card for that election? Is that how it would work under the proposed plan? How does that make it a recurring expense? I'm still not following...you have the original documents you used to get the voter card in the first place so why would you have to go get them again at an additional expense the next year? Sure, you'd have to get a new card but are they asking us to pay for the new voter card each year? They can't make me pay to vote, I'm almost certain of this, but I think it's fair they make me confirm who I am before I vote. I admittedly don't know all the details on the proposed plan and maybe I'm just obtuse but it seems to me that issuing a photo voter ID card when you register would be the way to go. no, picture ids cost money, and they expire,, whether they are state id or drivers license ,, they expire and cost to be renewed the right to vote doesn't have to be 'renewed',,,, that means people will have to PAY to use their right to vote indefinitely,, everytime their state id expires,,, they will have to have the cost of a new id in order to exercise their right to vote contrary to what many believe there are MANY MANY americans who have no ids, don't use bank accounts (Because they are poor) and don't have transportation nor live near places which issue ids,,,, its an exhorbinant obstacle and unfair disadvantage based in class that is not constitutional,, imho voting shouldn't be something we have to keep PAYING for throughout our lives Alright then. We agree on something! "Voting shouldn't be something we have to keep PAYING for throughout our lives" But not everything. Keep the original issued voter photo ID, the birth certificate and SS card and reapply with those three things the next election. No new state ID required. You have the documents and the old photo voter ID already. No new costs. Problem solved. Voting fraud eliminated. 
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Okay, I'm slightly confused here. If I'm wrong, MsHarmony, please forgive me. Are you really arguing AGAINST voter ID? You actually OPPOSE a person having to show a picture ID to vote legally? You seem to agree you should need ID to register, correct? But yet you don't want them to give you a specific voter ID WHEN you register, one with YOUR picture on it, and YOUR signature on it, so that when you show up to actually vote at your precinct, the officials can compare your picture to your person and verify your identity? Instead you argue that you should just show the ID when you register and get a card that is basically worthless as far as identifying an individual. I could give my card to any female and she could say she was me and how would they know at the precinct? They wouldn't. Not that I would ever do that but with the current system, I could! That certainly doesn't seem right. I just don't see how it's discriminatory to anyone to require ID to vote. I have to show an ID to cash a check anywhere. I have to have picture ID to board an airplane. You're okay with having to show photo ID to GET a non-photo voter card, but not with getting an actual photo voter ID? And I wonder why I work myself into a tizzy trying to figure things out... bnks and check csshing are not constitutional rights,, they require fees as well as card renewals and fees to vote are illegal as far as a voter id, ,that is not what is being proposed if you are speaking about an id when one registers with their picture on It, I am ALL FOR IT however, what is proposed is photo ids at the EXPENSE and INCONVENIENCE of a voter EVERY TIME they vote in an election,,,,,voters who don't all have convenient locations or finances by which to get to offices like social security or birth/death records, to OBTAIN a photo id from the state we are talking about a RECURRING expense to be able to vote, which is classist and unconstitutional,,,,, an actual VOTER ID, issued when one registers, which has no expiration or renewal fees,,,all for it why don't you suggest that to the people trying to make urban, impoverished, and elderly pay repeatedly throughout life to exercise their right to vote? So just to clarify because I don't want to assume things here... You need to show documents that confirm your identity to get the voter card (birth certificate, passport, SS card, photo driver license, etc.) but then you have to keep these documents somewhere and show them again at the next election to get a new voter card for that election? Is that how it would work under the proposed plan? How does that make it a recurring expense? I'm still not following...you have the original documents you used to get the voter card in the first place so why would you have to go get them again at an additional expense the next year? Sure, you'd have to get a new card but are they asking us to pay for the new voter card each year? They can't make me pay to vote, I'm almost certain of this, but I think it's fair they make me confirm who I am before I vote. I admittedly don't know all the details on the proposed plan and maybe I'm just obtuse but it seems to me that issuing a photo voter ID card when you register would be the way to go. no, picture ids cost money, and they expire,, whether they are state id or drivers license ,, they expire and cost to be renewed the right to vote doesn't have to be 'renewed',,,, that means people will have to PAY to use their right to vote indefinitely,, everytime their state id expires,,, they will have to have the cost of a new id in order to exercise their right to vote contrary to what many believe there are MANY MANY americans who have no ids, don't use bank accounts (Because they are poor) and don't have transportation nor live near places which issue ids,,,, its an exhorbinant obstacle and unfair disadvantage based in class that is not constitutional,, imho voting shouldn't be something we have to keep PAYING for throughout our lives Alright then. We agree on something! "Voting shouldn't be something we have to keep PAYING for throughout our lives" But not everything. Keep the original issued voter photo ID, the birth certificate and SS card and reapply with those three things the next election. No new state ID required. You have the documents and the old photo voter ID already. No new costs. Problem solved. Voting fraud eliminated. a FREE non expirable voting ID, IM all for it still wouldn't end fraud, at least not that the majority of fraud is done by workers on campaigns and at polls and ids are easily faked,,, but it would put peoples minds at ease that something was being done about the 'serious' voter fraud problem we allegedly have,,,, |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. its still CHARGING for the right to vote its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,, |
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Voter Fraud is real but Rare. Tracy Campbell, a history professor at the University of Kentucky who studies voter fraud in past elections, said contemporary voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that hasn't existed in over a century. www.abcnews.go.com |
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The Texas voter ID card is free.
"Following the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on Tuesday that paves the way for implementation of Texas’ voter ID law, the Texas Department of Public Safety announced it will begin processing applications for free voter ID cards this week. On Wednesday, the department will begin issuing so-called election identification certificates for qualified voters. Offering the certificates is required by Senate Bill 14, a measure that passed in 2011 but was on hold until Tuesday's decision. The IDs are free and will be available to voters who do not yet have a viable form of ID, such as a driver’s license, a concealed handgun license, a passport or military ID. Applicants must go to a DPS driver’s license office to apply and show proof of citizenship. The IDs can only be used to vote, and are not acceptable forms of personal identification for other purposes." |
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Voter Fraud is real but Rare. Tracy Campbell, a history professor at the University of Kentucky who studies voter fraud in past elections, said contemporary voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that hasn't existed in over a century. www.abcnews.go.com Your post is complete ********. Voter fraud in Texas has been going on for decades in the Hispanic community and has gotten worse. It is well documented and is the reason Texas is requiring the ID. http://tcgop.org/another-story-on-south-texas-voter-fraud/ |
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Voters Without Borders oppose Texas new voter ID law
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Voters Without Borders oppose Texas new voter ID law Anyone recall ACORN? They are still around and strong as ever. ACORN shell of itself as it renames office By SALLY GOLDENBERG Last Updated: 1:21 AM, February 25, 2010 Posted: 2:33 AM, February 23, 2010 ACORN is shutting its Brooklyn operation, only to replace it with another outfit by a different name. In what sources called a desperate attempt at rebranding, the new organization, called New York Communities for Change, has many of the same board members as ACORN, shares similar goals of the troubled activist group, and will take over its lease on Nevins Street, an ACORN spokesman said. "New York ACORN has closed its doors in New York City [and] there was a desire on the part of former members and staff to chart a new course with a new, independent organization that would get back to the basics of organizing," the spokesman said. ON NOTICE: A sign yesterday at Brooklyn's renamed ACORN office reads: 'Warning: Do not answer phones without getting important, new directions from America. It is better to let them ring!!!' NY Post: Chad Rachman ON NOTICE: A sign yesterday at Brooklyn's renamed ACORN office reads: "Warning: Do not answer phones without getting important, new directions from America. It is better to let them ring!!!" "It reflects a desire on the part of progressive leaders and activists in New York, including former ACORN members and staff, to launch a new organization that can effectively advocate and fight for low-income people." A separate statement put out by spokesman Scott Levenson blamed ACORN's troubles on "a series of vicious right-wing attacks over the past year and a half, and this has made it harder for ACORN to raise funds and organize and serve its members." Unlike the Brooklyn-based ACORN, the new group is not affiliated with any national organization, according to a statement from Ann Sullivan, who represents the nonprofit. An ACORN branch in California announced a similar makeover. Sullivan said the Brooklyn group will focus on helping New Yorkers facing foreclosure on their homes and advocating for tenant rights. One source with close ties to ACORN said the change was a desperate maneuver by the left-leaning organization to clear its bad name and continue raising private funds. |
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said the Brooklyn group will focus on helping New Yorkers facing foreclosure on their homes and advocating for tenant rights.
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said the Brooklyn group will focus on helping New Yorkers facing foreclosure on their homes and advocating for tenant rights. ,,good for them That's what they tell the media.  AND,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Highly involved in voter fraud. Need some more PIs to go in with the hidden cameras and bust 'em all over again. |
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I've only seen around 5 liberals post up in here.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that all liberals feel it's okay to cheat to win. Or, racism and bigotry is excusable if they do or give away FREE stuff. |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. its still CHARGING for the right to vote its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,, How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional? |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. its still CHARGING for the right to vote its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,, How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional? I consider ALL rights conditional the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen and on, and on, and on I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,, |
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. its still CHARGING for the right to vote its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,, How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional? I consider ALL rights conditional the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen and on, and on, and on I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,, It is amazing those who yell "spin" use it to the maximum. There is no "sudden" change in the voter system in Texas. The massive voter fraud going on since the Johnson administration has steadily gotten worse and is well documented. Voter ID would fix most of it. The science of knowing exactly how much fraud is needed to tip an election is well known and used to great effect ... and is virtually exclusive to the Democratic Party. The only thing that apparently makes sense to you is that whatever lies need to be told to benefit the Democratic Party is OK. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 08/29/13 09:13 AM
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registration already requires id voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,, Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards. What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card" In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing. the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,, A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed. That's a Whopping $3.50 a year. And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting. Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year. So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience. its still CHARGING for the right to vote its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,, How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional? I consider ALL rights conditional the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen and on, and on, and on I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,, It is amazing those who yell "spin" use it to the maximum. There is no "sudden" change in the voter system in Texas. The massive voter fraud going on since the Johnson administration has steadily gotten worse and is well documented. Voter ID would fix most of it. The science of knowing exactly how much fraud is needed to tip an election is well known and used to great effect ... and is virtually exclusive to the Democratic Party. The only thing that apparently makes sense to you is that whatever lies need to be told to benefit the Democratic Party is OK. yes, and I Can CLAIM that there is 'miniscule' voter fraud going on in texas that is well documented in fact, I have actually shown a link to a site with numbers on the voter fraud by state since 2000.. I think out of 2000 some allegations,, only 600 some were founded in 12 years , that's in ALL FIFTY STATES... where is your 'well documented' proof of this massive fraud occurring in texas or how inconveniencing and charging people by way of state ids and licenses will get rid of fraud,,,? last I checked, IDS were pretty simple for the unscrupulous to fabricate,,, |
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I've only seen around 5 liberals post up in here. I find it extremely difficult to believe that all liberals feel it's okay to cheat to win. Or, racism and bigotry is excusable if they do or give away FREE stuff. |
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Ive seen mostly white folks posting up in here
I find it extremely difficult to believe that all white folks feel its okay to profile, shoot , and disenfranchise people as long as they are poor or minority,,, ,,,see how false paraphrasing can be downright insulting and offensive? ,,,(just an example of ridiculous leaps of logic,, my feelings are not reflected in this post...lol) |
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 Don't be sad, Acorn will help her. |
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