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Topic: Govt sues Texas over voter ID law
msharmony's photo
Thu 08/29/13 09:33 AM



Don't be sad, Acorn will help her.


lets think, so,, the woman behind her came with her KNOWING she would have that sign and equipped with her own to reflect the stupidity of that statement?

AND,, they both used markers with PERFECTLY Even spread and IDENTICALLY shaped letters?

ever heard of photoshop?


the sign she actually held:





willing2's photo
Thu 08/29/13 09:50 AM




Don't be sad, Acorn will help her.


AND,, they both used markers with PERFECTLY Even spread and IDENTICALLY shaped letters?







U fo reelz see identical letters? laugh laugh

no photo
Thu 08/29/13 10:01 AM
photowhat? noway

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/29/13 01:25 PM





Don't be sad, Acorn will help her.


AND,, they both used markers with PERFECTLY Even spread and IDENTICALLY shaped letters?







U fo reelz see identical letters? laugh laugh



the Is on the stupid sign, same size and shape in all three words
the Ts on the stupid sign, same size nd shape in both words

the Os in the yellow sign, same size and shpe in five words
the Ns in the yellow sign
The Ts in the yellow sign


,,,,etc

willing2's photo
Thu 08/29/13 02:12 PM
Those letters look nothing alike.

Anyone else think they do? laugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/29/13 02:15 PM
they look nothing like HANDWRITTEN signs


because they are photoshopped,,,


the end.

willing2's photo
Thu 08/29/13 02:18 PM


the end.

Does that ever work? laugh laughlaugh laugh

willing2's photo
Thu 08/29/13 02:34 PM

I've only seen around 5 liberals post up in here.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that all liberals feel it's okay to cheat to win. Or, racism and bigotry is excusable if they do or give away FREE stuff.

We already know the opinion of one.
Any other libs have an opinion?
If you are tired of the cheat to win and say so, they won't take away your liberal card.

They might call y'all traitors or Uncle/Aunt Toms.

Means they just pissed and hope the names hurt.

metalwing's photo
Fri 08/30/13 12:17 AM
by Jonathon Tobin

As I wrote earlier this month, the decision of Attorney General Eric Holder to sue to stop Texas’s voter ID law has little to do with an attempt to prevent actual discrimination. The outcry from the administration on the voter ID issue as well as the manufactured outrage about the Supreme Court’s decision upholding but modifying the Voting Rights Act is predicated on the false idea that these measures are a new version of discriminatory Jim Crow laws. Given the night-and-day difference between the world of Jim Crow that drew Americans to the 1963 March on Washington and the America of 2013, this is an obvious effort to both revive flagging interest in civil-rights organizations and to brand President Obama’s critics as racists. But opponents of voter ID do have one seemingly rational argument: the problem that voter ID laws seek to solve—preserving the integrity of the vote—is imaginary. To that end, they have told us ad nauseum that voter fraud does not exist in the United States.

The assumption that voter fraud is nonexistent requires us to not only ignore most of American political history; it also obligates us to forget everything we know about human nature. Given that photo ID is now required for virtually every sort of transaction or service, most Americans rightly see it as a commonsense measure. But discussions about shady elections don’t require us to explore the distant past. Examples abound in our own day that place the desire to tighten up new rules that more or less allow anyone to show up on Election Day without proof of their identity or having previously registered, or to vote early or get an absentee ballot in a different context than Holder’s specious arguments about Jim Crow. One such comes from the bankrupt city of Detroit, where the August 6 primary is still unresolved due to the fact that more than 20,000 write-in votes are currently in dispute and may or may not be counted depending on the decisions of the courts. Fraud has not yet been proved and may not be directly related to false identity, but this latest instance of electoral hijinks illustrates what happens when results are called into question by shady practices.

The struggle to be the top official in an insolvent city whose government has been taken over the state is not the most compelling political fight of the year. But regardless of the office’s value, those who voted deserve to have their ballots counted. Indeed, though few if any Americans are denied the right to vote today the way many were prevented from going to the polls under Jim Crow, a crooked election is, in effect, one that denies the franchise to everyone.

Regardless of whether those who showed up to cast write-ins did so legally or of the political motivations of those who threw those ballots out due to technicalities, the nationwide drive to police elections is based in fact, not prejudice. In an era when safeguards against fraud have been thrown out willy-nilly in order to make it easier to vote via early voting, liberal granting of absentee ballots, and same-day registration, it has become almost impossible to guarantee the integrity of the results. To think that politicians and parties do not try to take advantage of this situation is hopelessly naïve. Reforming this situation requires states to make sure that those who vote are who they say they are and that regulations that prevent safeguards from being put in place are re-written to ensure the integrity of the process.

No matter who gets the dubious honor of running Detroit, voters there have a right to know their votes are counted and not being cancelled out by fraud of any kind. The same is true in Texas, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and every other state that has attempted to deal with this mess. Instead of crying racism, those entrusted with the responsibility of ensuring that voting rights are protected should be seeking to uphold the obligation of the state to stop cheating.

metalwing's photo
Fri 08/30/13 12:26 AM









registration already requires id

voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,,



Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards.
What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card"

In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing.



the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right

if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing

if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached

I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,,

A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed.
That's a Whopping $3.50 a year.
And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting.
Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year.
So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience.


its still CHARGING for the right to vote

its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,,
whoa,only a Right for a Legitimate Person,NOT for an Illegal,or for someone not entitled to vote in that particular Jurisdiction!

How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional?



I consider ALL rights conditional

the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater

the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable

the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen

and on, and on, and on


I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud

fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,,


It is amazing those who yell "spin" use it to the maximum.

There is no "sudden" change in the voter system in Texas. The massive voter fraud going on since the Johnson administration has steadily gotten worse and is well documented. Voter ID would fix most of it. The science of knowing exactly how much fraud is needed to tip an election is well known and used to great effect ... and is virtually exclusive to the Democratic Party.

The only thing that apparently makes sense to you is that whatever lies need to be told to benefit the Democratic Party is OK.


yes, and I Can CLAIM that there is 'miniscule' voter fraud going on in texas that is well documented

in fact, I have actually shown a link to a site with numbers on the voter fraud by state since 2000.. I think out of 2000 some allegations,, only 600 some were founded in 12 years , that's in ALL FIFTY STATES...


where is your 'well documented' proof of this massive fraud occurring in texas or how inconveniencing and charging people by way of state ids and licenses will get rid of fraud,,,? last I checked, IDS were pretty simple for the unscrupulous to fabricate,,,





Here is a dose of truth to counter your spin.

Begin Quote:

OUR VIEW: Epidemic of state restrictions

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees. In 2008, the court recognized the threat posed by voter fraud and ruled that Indiana's photo ID requirement was a legitimate, non-discriminatory means of protecting the integrity of elections. The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's law despite no concrete evidence of fraud in Indiana's elections.

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In 2011, Texas enacted a photo-identification requirement modeled after Indiana's. Our Legislature agreed with the Supreme Court that this requirement is a simple, effective way to prevent fraud. History also shows that voter turnout has increased after voter ID laws were enacted, and because Texas provides voter ID cards free of charge, no Texan's voting rights will be affected.

The Obama administration's Department of Justice has now reversed its previous approval of voter ID laws and attempted to block Texas' law. Attorney General Eric Holder used tortured logic and manipulated statistics to reach the already-rejected conclusion that photo ID requirements are racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court is on record upholding voter ID laws. My office is suing Mr. Holder to overturn his baseless decision and ensure Texas can protect its ballots the way other states are allowed to do.

Greg Abbott is Texas attorney general.

willing2's photo
Fri 08/30/13 05:45 AM
True both, Mr Metalwing

willing2's photo
Fri 08/30/13 05:47 AM
Didn't think anyone else thought cheating to win was a good thing.


I've only seen around 5 liberals post up in here.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that all liberals feel it's okay to cheat to win. Or, racism and bigotry is excusable if they do or give away FREE stuff.

We already know the opinion of one.
Any other libs have an opinion?
If you are tired of the cheat to win and say so, they won't take away your liberal card.

They might call y'all traitors or Uncle/Aunt Toms.

Means they just pissed and hope the names hurt.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/30/13 07:21 AM










registration already requires id

voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,,



Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards.
What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card"

In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing.



the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right

if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing

if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached

I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,,

A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed.
That's a Whopping $3.50 a year.
And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting.
Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year.
So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience.


its still CHARGING for the right to vote

its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,,
whoa,only a Right for a Legitimate Person,NOT for an Illegal,or for someone not entitled to vote in that particular Jurisdiction!

How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional?



I consider ALL rights conditional

the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater

the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable

the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen

and on, and on, and on


I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud

fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,,


It is amazing those who yell "spin" use it to the maximum.

There is no "sudden" change in the voter system in Texas. The massive voter fraud going on since the Johnson administration has steadily gotten worse and is well documented. Voter ID would fix most of it. The science of knowing exactly how much fraud is needed to tip an election is well known and used to great effect ... and is virtually exclusive to the Democratic Party.

The only thing that apparently makes sense to you is that whatever lies need to be told to benefit the Democratic Party is OK.


yes, and I Can CLAIM that there is 'miniscule' voter fraud going on in texas that is well documented

in fact, I have actually shown a link to a site with numbers on the voter fraud by state since 2000.. I think out of 2000 some allegations,, only 600 some were founded in 12 years , that's in ALL FIFTY STATES...


where is your 'well documented' proof of this massive fraud occurring in texas or how inconveniencing and charging people by way of state ids and licenses will get rid of fraud,,,? last I checked, IDS were pretty simple for the unscrupulous to fabricate,,,





Here is a dose of truth to counter your spin.

Begin Quote:

OUR VIEW: Epidemic of state restrictions

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees. In 2008, the court recognized the threat posed by voter fraud and ruled that Indiana's photo ID requirement was a legitimate, non-discriminatory means of protecting the integrity of elections. The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's law despite no concrete evidence of fraud in Indiana's elections.

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In 2011, Texas enacted a photo-identification requirement modeled after Indiana's. Our Legislature agreed with the Supreme Court that this requirement is a simple, effective way to prevent fraud. History also shows that voter turnout has increased after voter ID laws were enacted, and because Texas provides voter ID cards free of charge, no Texan's voting rights will be affected.

The Obama administration's Department of Justice has now reversed its previous approval of voter ID laws and attempted to block Texas' law. Attorney General Eric Holder used tortured logic and manipulated statistics to reach the already-rejected conclusion that photo ID requirements are racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court is on record upholding voter ID laws. My office is suing Mr. Holder to overturn his baseless decision and ensure Texas can protect its ballots the way other states are allowed to do.

Greg Abbott is Texas attorney general.



seriously metal wing? that's proof of voter frad being a serious problem? because superme court said so?

they also once said separate but equl was an AOK policy,,lol

50 cases in recent YEARS? seriously,, that's a major problem?

give me a break,,,

metalwing's photo
Fri 08/30/13 08:16 PM











registration already requires id

voting is a right , once one is registered, they should not have to continue presenting id if they have a voting card,,,,



Not all states are the same. They don't issue voting cards.
What's the difference if you have to show ID to register then your ID is your "voter card"

In WI we don't have voter cards. I showed ID when I registered at my precinct. Now all I do is walk in and tell them my name, they find it in their books mark me off and I sign. No ID no voter card nothing.



the difference is voting shouldn't have to have a continual COST,, its a right

if voting ids are going be given FREE OF CHARGE upon registration, that is one thing

if people are going to be asked to repeatedly go through expense and travel of traveling and paying for state ids or drivers licenses, which have expiration dates,,,,and charges attached

I say that's a classist and bs way of obstructing what is supposed to be RIGHT regardless of financial status,,,,,

A WI state ID costs $28.00 it is good for 8 years before needing to be renewed.
That's a Whopping $3.50 a year.
And in the voter ID bill in WI residence can get them for free if they tell them it's for voting.
Oh and if you want to add the cost of going to get one. Lets say it takes your car oh wait if you had a car you would have a DL. So a friend drives you. Say it takes 2 gallons if gas (with oh say an average of 18 mpg) that would give about 36 miles. At $3.80/gal that's $7.60 over an 8 year span that's 95 cents a year.
So $4.45 a year could probably be found in the couch cushions. I really don't see it being an inconvenience.


its still CHARGING for the right to vote

its easy not to be seen as an inconvenience for those who don't have to do it or who have resources that make it simple to do it,,,,
whoa,only a Right for a Legitimate Person,NOT for an Illegal,or for someone not entitled to vote in that particular Jurisdiction!

How come you consider the Right to Vote absolute,no questions asked if the particular person is entitled to vote,but consider the 2nd Amendment-Right conditional?



I consider ALL rights conditional

the right to free speech? yep,, except if yelling fire in a crowded theater

the right to bear arms? yep,,, unless you are convicted felon or mentally unstable

the right to vote? yes, if you are a us citizen

and on, and on, and on


I wouldn't suggest though that we suddenly need to change the process by which people are allowed to vote because some didn't approve that their candidate didn't win and want to make up some new 'serious' problem of fraud

fraud exists in every institution, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of 'citizens' to spite a few 'illegals' makes no sense,,,


It is amazing those who yell "spin" use it to the maximum.

There is no "sudden" change in the voter system in Texas. The massive voter fraud going on since the Johnson administration has steadily gotten worse and is well documented. Voter ID would fix most of it. The science of knowing exactly how much fraud is needed to tip an election is well known and used to great effect ... and is virtually exclusive to the Democratic Party.

The only thing that apparently makes sense to you is that whatever lies need to be told to benefit the Democratic Party is OK.


yes, and I Can CLAIM that there is 'miniscule' voter fraud going on in texas that is well documented

in fact, I have actually shown a link to a site with numbers on the voter fraud by state since 2000.. I think out of 2000 some allegations,, only 600 some were founded in 12 years , that's in ALL FIFTY STATES...


where is your 'well documented' proof of this massive fraud occurring in texas or how inconveniencing and charging people by way of state ids and licenses will get rid of fraud,,,? last I checked, IDS were pretty simple for the unscrupulous to fabricate,,,





Here is a dose of truth to counter your spin.

Begin Quote:

OUR VIEW: Epidemic of state restrictions

The U.S. Supreme Court agrees. In 2008, the court recognized the threat posed by voter fraud and ruled that Indiana's photo ID requirement was a legitimate, non-discriminatory means of protecting the integrity of elections. The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's law despite no concrete evidence of fraud in Indiana's elections.

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In 2011, Texas enacted a photo-identification requirement modeled after Indiana's. Our Legislature agreed with the Supreme Court that this requirement is a simple, effective way to prevent fraud. History also shows that voter turnout has increased after voter ID laws were enacted, and because Texas provides voter ID cards free of charge, no Texan's voting rights will be affected.

The Obama administration's Department of Justice has now reversed its previous approval of voter ID laws and attempted to block Texas' law. Attorney General Eric Holder used tortured logic and manipulated statistics to reach the already-rejected conclusion that photo ID requirements are racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court is on record upholding voter ID laws. My office is suing Mr. Holder to overturn his baseless decision and ensure Texas can protect its ballots the way other states are allowed to do.

Greg Abbott is Texas attorney general.



seriously metal wing? that's proof of voter frad being a serious problem? because superme court said so?

they also once said separate but equl was an AOK policy,,lol

50 cases in recent YEARS? seriously,, that's a major problem?

give me a break,,,


Why? You spin everything and can't understand the "tip of the iceberg"?

You then counter with the classic "straw man" argument?

Do some real research instead of just making up what you think sounds good and pretending it is fact. Voter fraud has been a big problem in Texas for decades.

willing2's photo
Sat 08/31/13 05:20 AM
MH.
You can come on down ta Texas and protest. laugh laughlaugh

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