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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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justice does sometimes get it wrong. that I am well aware of myself, but I am not certain they did this time. It will be up to the Justice Dept to decide that now. They will no doubt go strictly by the book. when a man of one race kills a man of another race, it can be racism but it is not always. it can be a crime or it can be self defense. this will be up to the Justice Dept now. Unfortunately most folk simply cannot be impartial and our justice system requires complete objectivity, fortunately. Sentiment and mob mentality (from either side) simply cannot be permitted to hold sway. I'm sure you agree. Neither can our own past esperiences cloud our judgement, but for most of us they do. That is why the law has impartiality written into it and we are judged by a jury with strict rules, and not a mob. I think it is good that the justice dept is taking a second look, but that is no guarantee of a mistrial.....but I fully believe their decision should be accepted. w/e it is. I agree with all of the above, but I would not want or expect a mistrial, (although there was confusion about the manslaughter charge which never was cleared up for the jurors) but I do want legal culpability for this unarmed childs death,,,,even in a civil trial which would only require a preponderance of evidence,,, this is the problem with your bias thinking. zimmerman was found innocent. that means that martin's death was not zimmerman's fault. legal culpability falls on martin because of the self defense exercised by zimmerman. when all those people that didn't vote to re-elect obama wanted to keep trying to oust him, you said for them to accept it. now you won't accept the outcome of a fair and legal trial. put yourself in zimmerman's shoes. how many trials would you like to go through msharmony: "but I do want legal culpability for this unarmed child's death...." Unarmed? He had two perfectly good arms. His left and his right. And he used them to assault Zimmerman against the sidewalk. Child? He was six foot 11" and 158 pounds. --he was on drugs -- not really a "child" except 'legally' age wise. Culpability? As esebuldog said, the culpability falls on Martin. This was decided in a court of Law that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. People have a right to defend themselves...even against so-called "children." (and I thank God for that) |
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Any old excuse to kill Whitney.
Seems to them we all look alike. Watch out! Big Z might be behind you! BOO! |
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Any old excuse to kill Whitney. Seems to them we all look alike. Watch out! Big Z might be behind you! BOO! Who is Whitney? |
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Any old excuse to kill Whitney. Seems to them we all look alike. Watch out! Big Z might be behind you! BOO! Who is Whitney? 
Yer right. Whitney killed herself. Damn phone and it's auto words! Meant, any excuse to kill whiteys. |
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yeah,, not much rioting , looting, or rape pretty much what I glean is people empathizing with the Martins have a large sense of faith/karma/justice,,,of one way or another from a facebook page... Dear George Zimmerman, For the rest of your life you are now going to feel what its like to be a black man in America. You will feel people stare at you. Judging you for what you think are unfair reasons. You will lose out on getting jobs for something you feel is outside of your control. You will believe yourself to be an upstanding citizen and wonder why people choose to not see that. People will cross the street when they see you coming. They will call you hurtful names. It will drive you so insane some days that you'll want to scream at the top of your lungs. But you will have to wake up the next day, put on firm look and push through life. I bet you never thought that by shooting a black male you'd end up inheriting all of his struggles. Enjoy your "freedom." Sincerely, A black male who could've been Trayvon Martin That sounds like a man with a problem accepting guilt for his own shortcomings. That attitude will always keep you down without help from an outside source. Actually..... sounds like part of the problem.... a little racist in fact. Id say thats a misinformed and underinformed opinion I happen to know MANY successful black people who happen to be aware of and conscious of the very sentiment above they succeed in SPITE of , but that has nothing to do with whether they are confused about the realities they face,,,, I heard that!!! 
I know friends that are well educated with Professional positions and live good lives in USA. I see negative opinions on these forums too much !! |
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Thousands across the country. Big country and only a few thousand think it's a big freakin deal. Looks like Big Z will go through life like all normal folks. Aside from having to live with killing to defend himself, looks like life could get normal pretty quickly. I think he is far from normal folks. But then it is My opinion, just like the above statement is your opinion. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/16/13 03:24 PM
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And Hollywood encourages vigilantism by showing "Death Wish" movies all day long last week.
After watching all of those movies, which by the way, got more violent with each movie, a person almost feels like getting a gun and going out into the street and start shooting muggers.
And when is that guy (Paul Kersy) going to learn that every woman he gets involved with is destined to die a violent death.... ?! I think by the fourth or fifth sequel the audience starts thinking: "Don't fall in love with that guy, he is cursed. All his women must die to justify his killing spree. |
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And Hollywood encourages vigilantism by showing "Death Wish" movies all day long last week. After watching all of those movies, which by the way, got more violent with each movie, a person almost feels like getting a gun and going out into the street and start shooting muggers.
And when is that guy (Paul Kersy) going to learn that every woman he gets involved with is destined to die a violent death.... ?! I think by the fourth or fifth sequel the audience starts thinking: "Don't fall in love with that guy, he is cursed. All his women must die to justify his killing spree. I know. A person must be really deranged to watch them. Especially into the fourth and fifth sequel. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/16/13 03:40 PM
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And Hollywood encourages vigilantism by showing "Death Wish" movies all day long last week. After watching all of those movies, which by the way, got more violent with each movie, a person almost feels like getting a gun and going out into the street and start shooting muggers.
And when is that guy (Paul Kersy) going to learn that every woman he gets involved with is destined to die a violent death.... ?! I think by the fourth or fifth sequel the audience starts thinking: "Don't fall in love with that guy, he is cursed. All his women must die to justify his killing spree. I know. A person must be really deranged to watch them. Especially into the fourth and fifth sequel.
I lasted through three. I'm not totally deranged.
I had never seen the beginning of the first one. Trivia: One of the actors that played one of the thugs that killed his wife was Jeff Goldblum. He played Freak #1.  -----------> Freak #1 in Death Wish.
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And Hollywood encourages vigilantism by showing "Death Wish" movies all day long last week. After watching all of those movies, which by the way, got more violent with each movie, a person almost feels like getting a gun and going out into the street and start shooting muggers.
And when is that guy (Paul Kersy) going to learn that every woman he gets involved with is destined to die a violent death.... ?! I think by the fourth or fifth sequel the audience starts thinking: "Don't fall in love with that guy, he is cursed. All his women must die to justify his killing spree. I know. A person must be really deranged to watch them. Especially into the fourth and fifth sequel.
I lasted through three. I'm not totally deranged.
I had never seen the beginning of the first one. Trivia: One of the actors that played one of the thugs that killed his wife was Jeff Goldblum. He played Freak #1. -----------> Freak #1 in Death Wish.
I'mmmm thinkin that you watched them all and savored each gruesome death. 
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No, I had other things to do. But I may buy the entire set on DVD. LOL
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No, I had other things to do. But I may buy the entire set on DVD. LOL I knew it!
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No, I had other things to do. But I may buy the entire set on DVD. LOL I knew it!
I like you cause your so crazy. 
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justice does sometimes get it wrong. that I am well aware of myself, but I am not certain they did this time. It will be up to the Justice Dept to decide that now. They will no doubt go strictly by the book. when a man of one race kills a man of another race, it can be racism but it is not always. it can be a crime or it can be self defense. this will be up to the Justice Dept now. Unfortunately most folk simply cannot be impartial and our justice system requires complete objectivity, fortunately. Sentiment and mob mentality (from either side) simply cannot be permitted to hold sway. I'm sure you agree. Neither can our own past esperiences cloud our judgement, but for most of us they do. That is why the law has impartiality written into it and we are judged by a jury with strict rules, and not a mob. I think it is good that the justice dept is taking a second look, but that is no guarantee of a mistrial.....but I fully believe their decision should be accepted. w/e it is. I agree with all of the above, but I would not want or expect a mistrial, (although there was confusion about the manslaughter charge which never was cleared up for the jurors) but I do want legal culpability for this unarmed childs death,,,,even in a civil trial which would only require a preponderance of evidence,,, this is the problem with your bias thinking. zimmerman was found innocent. that means that martin's death was not zimmerman's fault. legal culpability falls on martin because of the self defense exercised by zimmerman. when all those people that didn't vote to re-elect obama wanted to keep trying to oust him, you said for them to accept it. now you won't accept the outcome of a fair and legal trial. put yourself in zimmerman's shoes. how many trials would you like to go through msharmony: "but I do want legal culpability for this unarmed child's death...." Unarmed? He had two perfectly good arms. His left and his right. And he used them to assault Zimmerman against the sidewalk. Child? He was six foot 11" and 158 pounds. --he was on drugs -- not really a "child" except 'legally' age wise. Culpability? As esebuldog said, the culpability falls on Martin. This was decided in a court of Law that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. People have a right to defend themselves...even against so-called "children." (and I thank God for that) please don't be condescending in no other trial would fists be considered 'armed' . or no altercation could involve any 'unarmed' victim he had the right to use his arms in defense every bit as much as z had to use his gun even more if he was the one assaulted first,,,, he was a child jeann,, he had just turned 17 and he was f vie foot 11 158 pounds for legal purpose he was not an ADULT and therefore a child,,, as for culpability, it should fall on the stalker who tries to accost and then shoots a child dead,,,,for fighting back all people don't hve the right to defend themselves apparently,, especially if they fit the description and their killer has some official 'authority' assigned to them,,, and that terrifies and saddens me |
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Wrong!!!
The thug bich attacked Mr Z. Z defended himself. The jury, knowing full well an innocent verdict could put them in danger, did the honorable thing anyway. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/16/13 08:04 PM
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Wrong!!! The thug bich attacked Mr Z. Z defended himself. The jury, knowing full well an innocent verdict could put them in danger, did the honorable thing anyway. whatever helps people sleep at night at this injustice,,, doesn't matter, now z gets to be perceived and assumed by others to be a 'thug *****' and karma/God have a way of holding people accountable, when justice doesn't,,, |
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please don't be condescending in no other trial would fists be considered 'armed' . or no altercation could involve any 'unarmed' victim he had the right to use his arms in defense every bit as much as z had to use his gun even more if he was the one assaulted first,,,, he was a child jeann,, he had just turned 17 and he was f vie foot 11 158 pounds for legal purpose he was not an ADULT and therefore a child,,, as for culpability, it should fall on the stalker who tries to accost and then shoots a child dead,,,,for fighting back all people don't hve the right to defend themselves apparently,, especially if they fit the description and their killer has some official 'authority' assigned to them,,, and that terrifies and saddens me you keep missing the point because you add in what isn't there. martin didn't use his fists to defend himself. martin used his fists to assault zimmerman you keep saying martin was a boy. if a 17 year old 5'11" 150 pound male attacked you, would you want that person to be considered a boy or a man? all people do have the right to defend themselves, that is why zimmerman was found not guilty. zimmerman was defending himself. you state that other people have problems with reading comprehension, sheesh |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/16/13 08:08 PM
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please don't be condescending in no other trial would fists be considered 'armed' . or no altercation could involve any 'unarmed' victim he had the right to use his arms in defense every bit as much as z had to use his gun even more if he was the one assaulted first,,,, he was a child jeann,, he had just turned 17 and he was f vie foot 11 158 pounds for legal purpose he was not an ADULT and therefore a child,,, as for culpability, it should fall on the stalker who tries to accost and then shoots a child dead,,,,for fighting back all people don't hve the right to defend themselves apparently,, especially if they fit the description and their killer has some official 'authority' assigned to them,,, and that terrifies and saddens me you keep missing the point because you add in what isn't there. martin didn't use his fists to defend himself. martin used his fists to assault zimmerman you keep saying martin was a boy. if a 17 year old 5'11" 150 pound male attacked you, would you want that person to be considered a boy or a man? all people do have the right to defend themselves, that is why zimmerman was found not guilty. zimmerman was defending himself. you state that other people have problems with reading comprehension, sheesh lol, Im a woman with children, if he is seventeen, and in high school, he would be a child TO ME,, let alone what I would want him to be considered to be all people do not have the right to defend themselves, that's why Ts actions are continuously referred to as an ASSAULT instead of defense,,, Zimmerman was not PROVEN GUILTY (Beyond a reasonable doubt), that has nothing to do with whether he is actually innocent or evidence that he wasn't the one who accosted the boy instead of the other way around however in a civil trial, a preponderance of evidence,, (the bruising and lack of bruising to match zs story, and the witness testimony on both sides about the sequence of events from the VERTICAL altercation to the ending in the grass/pavement) should be enough to find him legally responsible for the death,,,, not only do some have a problem with comprehension of reading,some don't comprehend legal terms either,,,, |
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I would like to see that Lawyer crump (Martins lawyer) looked at closely. He was the beginning of lies and using a teenage girl for his own motivation. He is still out their spouting Hate. He is what has caused a lot of problems then we know Jackson and Sharpton will ride the Race card till eternity
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lol, Im a woman with children, if he is seventeen, and in high school, he would be a child TO ME,, let alone what I would want him to be considered to be i'm sure if he was on trial for assaulting you, you would be the first to ask he be tried as a juvenile all people do not have the right to defend themselves, that's why Ts actions are continuously referred to as an ASSAULT instead of defense,,, martin's actions were aggressive, not defensive Zimmerman was not PROVEN GUILTY (Beyond a reasonable doubt), that has nothing to do with whether he is actually innocent or evidence that he wasn't the one who accosted the boy instead of the other way around for zimmerman, and everyone else, it's innocent until proven guilty. the fact that some people have tried him before the trial and continue to call for his blood after the trial doesn't change the fact he is innocent of the murder charge. he may or may not be guilty of other things however in a civil trial, a preponderance of evidence,, (the bruising and lack of bruising to match zs story, and the witness testimony on both sides about the sequence of events from the VERTICAL altercation to the ending in the grass/pavement) should be enough to find him legally responsible for the death,,,, not only do some have a problem with comprehension of reading,some don't comprehend legal terms either,,,, most laymen don't comprehend legal terms, that is why everyone has a right to an attorney |
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