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This reminds of a thread by MsHarmony where people just don't "get" other cultures and read the Bible through filters of their own culture. Back then the famous "BUTT-SEX" was used much like it is used in prisons today and it is not a prohibition on homosexuality. For example, they will point to the story of Sodom and proclaim "Hate the Homo", when the Bible itself states the story of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality: Ezekiel 16:49 New International Version (©2011) "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. New Living Translation (©2007) Sodom's sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door. English Standard Version (©2001) Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. New American Standard Bible (©1995) "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Now this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, plenty of food, and comfortable security, but didn't support the poor and needy. International Standard Version (©2012) Look! This was the sin of your sister Sodom and her daughters: Pride, too much food, undisturbed peace, and failure to help the poor and needy. NET Bible (©2006) "'See here--this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had majesty, abundance of food, and enjoyed carefree ease, but they did not help the poor and needy. that verse goes on to say,,,, 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed ABOMINATION before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. Then why do I not hear you pushing for this in the Parents forum: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” if you are truly interested my belief of the old testament is as a set of laws for a set aside people who were held to a HOLIER standard than any other because they were 'chosen' once Jesus died on the cross, during the New Testament,, there was no longer a 'chosen',, no jew or gentile,,etc all became equal and were afforded salvation through the sacrifice of Christ,,,,, Where do you get these ideas??? |
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Some churches really do teach that, JB. I've been to some of them. And the way they regard Jesus as somehow doing away with Judaism always seemed disrespectful of Jews and Judaism, somehow.
I mean, in their very own New Testament, Jesus states that he did not come to abolish the Law. Granted, I'm not what some people would consider a Christian anyway... but I was very devout in a mainline denomination (ELCA Lutheranism) for many years, and I spent an awful lot of time in Bible study, both OT and NT. Funny, but I just never got the same meaning out of it that some people did. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who saw things differently, and that's how I found myself on a different faith path. |
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Some churches really do teach that, JB. I've been to some of them. And the way they regard Jesus as somehow doing away with Judaism always seemed disrespectful of Jews and Judaism, somehow. I mean, in their very own New Testament, Jesus states that he did not come to abolish the Law. Granted, I'm not what some people would consider a Christian anyway... but I was very devout in a mainline denomination (ELCA Lutheranism) for many years, and I spent an awful lot of time in Bible study, both OT and NT. Funny, but I just never got the same meaning out of it that some people did. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who saw things differently, and that's how I found myself on a different faith path. Yes I have heard this idea before, but I don't think I have ever seen anyone quoting Biblical scripture in support of such an idea. It has always been some story about "the chosen people" and everyone seems to think THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE which never made any sense at all to me. The myth about 'the chosen people' IMO is all a complete and utter fabrication (an elaborate lie) that serves to hide the true origins of European (Ashkenazi)Jews whom the Bible calls "those who pretend to be Jews but are not. |
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Some churches really do teach that, JB. I've been to some of them. And the way they regard Jesus as somehow doing away with Judaism always seemed disrespectful of Jews and Judaism, somehow. I mean, in their very own New Testament, Jesus states that he did not come to abolish the Law. Granted, I'm not what some people would consider a Christian anyway... but I was very devout in a mainline denomination (ELCA Lutheranism) for many years, and I spent an awful lot of time in Bible study, both OT and NT. Funny, but I just never got the same meaning out of it that some people did. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who saw things differently, and that's how I found myself on a different faith path. Yes I have heard this idea before, but I don't think I have ever seen anyone quoting Biblical scripture in support of such an idea. It has always been some story about "the chosen people" and everyone seems to think THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE which never made any sense at all to me. The myth about 'the chosen people' IMO is all a complete and utter fabrication (an elaborate lie) that serves to hide the true origins of European (Ashkenazi)Jews whom the Bible calls "those who pretend to be Jews but are not. Actually JB The Chosen People began with Abraham and his descendents through Isaac. This being the 12 sons of Jacob/ Israel. Not Jew. This came about because in Gen. 50 speaks of the Blessings of Jacob on his sons that Judah/Jews would have Shiloh referring to Yahshua. When Moses was directed to have priests this was to be the 1st born of every tribe. When asked Levi's descendents I Believe stepped forward. ( trying to just use memory) this is how the Levetical Priest hood came about. Yahweh always wanted the 1st born which beard out the 1st born is all who step forward to believe. A Royal priesthood Peter calls them. Even today the 1st born has a sort of conoltation (sp?) to it. Yahshua spoke of he came from a tribe the Priesthood was not in authority.. The High Priest was from the Tribe of Levi as it still the Jewish authority from this tribe. The chosen people were always to be the 1st born and that's why those grafted in our called the 1st Born and Yahshua was the 1st born to be raised from the dead in Body and spirit as we saw in his 40 days on earth after his death and he is taken to Heaven for good in Acts 1 before Pentecost/ Feast of Firstfruits when he said he must leave so that the comforter/ Holy Spirit would be pour out among all those who believe as he said it would. Being Acts 2 was the real beginning of the Spirit/ Helper would come. I believe the ones who said they were the 1st Born from the beginning being the Jews because the jews were not the chosen people Israel was because of Abraham.. This is why Abraham is reference as their father to the jews/ Israel at the time. Yahshua did not come from a Priestly tribe. Levi. So basically all the chosen people are descendent's of Abraham |
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ViaMusica
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Wow, are we all
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Don't matter because it is unnatural anyway. Just not my job to impose my beliefs on others. It's as natural as anything else. Homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom. Animals live pretty natural lives in the wild. In any case, civil law is a wholly different subject. 
Yes it does, and wolves will tear a wolf like that to shreds. |
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Wow, are we all now, or what?
Yes this is true.. forgive me I was just trying to explain the 1st born. IMO. I believe you have said u know some about how jews are/think. I would guess u would have a good thought on if my interpretation of what the 1st born was always suppose to be. is or is not what I wrote |
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Some churches really do teach that, JB. I've been to some of them. And the way they regard Jesus as somehow doing away with Judaism always seemed disrespectful of Jews and Judaism, somehow. I mean, in their very own New Testament, Jesus states that he did not come to abolish the Law. Granted, I'm not what some people would consider a Christian anyway... but I was very devout in a mainline denomination (ELCA Lutheranism) for many years, and I spent an awful lot of time in Bible study, both OT and NT. Funny, but I just never got the same meaning out of it that some people did. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who saw things differently, and that's how I found myself on a different faith path. Yes I have heard this idea before, but I don't think I have ever seen anyone quoting Biblical scripture in support of such an idea. It has always been some story about "the chosen people" and everyone seems to think THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE which never made any sense at all to me. The myth about 'the chosen people' IMO is all a complete and utter fabrication (an elaborate lie) that serves to hide the true origins of European (Ashkenazi)Jews whom the Bible calls "those who pretend to be Jews but are not. Actually JB The Chosen People began with Abraham and his descendents through Isaac. This being the 12 sons of Jacob/ Israel. Not Jew. This came about because in Gen. 50 speaks of the Blessings of Jacob on his sons that Judah/Jews would have Shiloh referring to Yahshua. When Moses was directed to have priests this was to be the 1st born of every tribe. When asked Levi's descendents I Believe stepped forward. ( trying to just use memory) this is how the Levetical Priest hood came about. Yahweh always wanted the 1st born which beard out the 1st born is all who step forward to believe. A Royal priesthood Peter calls them. Even today the 1st born has a sort of conoltation (sp?) to it. Yahshua spoke of he came from a tribe the Priesthood was not in authority.. The High Priest was from the Tribe of Levi as it still the Jewish authority from this tribe. The chosen people were always to be the 1st born and that's why those grafted in our called the 1st Born and Yahshua was the 1st born to be raised from the dead in Body and spirit as we saw in his 40 days on earth after his death and he is taken to Heaven for good in Acts 1 before Pentecost/ Feast of Firstfruits when he said he must leave so that the comforter/ Holy Spirit would be pour out among all those who believe as he said it would. Being Acts 2 was the real beginning of the Spirit/ Helper would come. I believe the ones who said they were the 1st Born from the beginning being the Jews because the jews were not the chosen people Israel was because of Abraham.. This is why Abraham is reference as their father to the jews/ Israel at the time. Yahshua did not come from a Priestly tribe. Levi. So basically all the chosen people are descendent's of Abraham No disrespect, but when I said the story of the chosen people was a fabrication in my opinion, that would include Abraham and all that those who followed. The term "Jew" was not even in the Bible originally. It was created a LOT later. |
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I don't know how this thread went from gay marriage to religion.
Well, its understandable since religion teaches that homosexuality is a sin. |
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I don't know how this thread went from gay marriage to religion. Well, its understandable since religion teaches that homosexuality is a sin. You peeps trying to multitask?
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There are several churches that will still teach against homosexuality. I know several and have visited Church of God, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational.
Bible does teach against it, in New Testament. God's Word stays the same, no matter how Man changes their individual way of life in this world. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. ( I Corinthians 6:9) NIV |
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Some churches really do teach that, JB. I've been to some of them. And the way they regard Jesus as somehow doing away with Judaism always seemed disrespectful of Jews and Judaism, somehow. I mean, in their very own New Testament, Jesus states that he did not come to abolish the Law. Granted, I'm not what some people would consider a Christian anyway... but I was very devout in a mainline denomination (ELCA Lutheranism) for many years, and I spent an awful lot of time in Bible study, both OT and NT. Funny, but I just never got the same meaning out of it that some people did. Fortunately, I'm not the only one who saw things differently, and that's how I found myself on a different faith path. Yes I have heard this idea before, but I don't think I have ever seen anyone quoting Biblical scripture in support of such an idea. It has always been some story about "the chosen people" and everyone seems to think THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE which never made any sense at all to me. The myth about 'the chosen people' IMO is all a complete and utter fabrication (an elaborate lie) that serves to hide the true origins of European (Ashkenazi)Jews whom the Bible calls "those who pretend to be Jews but are not. Actually JB The Chosen People began with Abraham and his descendents through Isaac. This being the 12 sons of Jacob/ Israel. Not Jew. This came about because in Gen. 50 speaks of the Blessings of Jacob on his sons that Judah/Jews would have Shiloh referring to Yahshua. When Moses was directed to have priests this was to be the 1st born of every tribe. When asked Levi's descendents I Believe stepped forward. ( trying to just use memory) this is how the Levetical Priest hood came about. Yahweh always wanted the 1st born which beard out the 1st born is all who step forward to believe. A Royal priesthood Peter calls them. Even today the 1st born has a sort of conoltation (sp?) to it. Yahshua spoke of he came from a tribe the Priesthood was not in authority.. The High Priest was from the Tribe of Levi as it still the Jewish authority from this tribe. The chosen people were always to be the 1st born and that's why those grafted in our called the 1st Born and Yahshua was the 1st born to be raised from the dead in Body and spirit as we saw in his 40 days on earth after his death and he is taken to Heaven for good in Acts 1 before Pentecost/ Feast of Firstfruits when he said he must leave so that the comforter/ Holy Spirit would be pour out among all those who believe as he said it would. Being Acts 2 was the real beginning of the Spirit/ Helper would come. I believe the ones who said they were the 1st Born from the beginning being the Jews because the jews were not the chosen people Israel was because of Abraham.. This is why Abraham is reference as their father to the jews/ Israel at the time. Yahshua did not come from a Priestly tribe. Levi. So basically all the chosen people are descendent's of Abraham No disrespect, but when I said the story of the chosen people was a fabrication in my opinion, that would include Abraham and all that those who followed. The term "Jew" was not even in the Bible originally. It was created a LOT later. I doubt that Jew was never in the scriptures.. Now it is in Hebrew Judah not Jew. In saying the promices of Abraham that his Descendents would be as the stars of heavens or sands of the sea. (infinite) Not believing Abraham would mean you do not believe at all. Maybe u have studied a lot. But to say you do not believe Abraham you deny all religions who uphold him as false.. What is it u believe exactly. because no one can enter the kingdom who does not believe Abraham for 1 simple reason Yahshua said before Abraham was I AM. so no Gay marriage can be by scripture a chosen people unless they decide to change. Their choice |
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I doubt that Jew was never in the scriptures.. Now it is in Hebrew Judah not Jew. In saying the promices of Abraham that his Descendents would be as the stars of heavens or sands of the sea. (infinite) Not believing Abraham would mean you do not believe at all. Maybe u have studied a lot. But to say you do not believe Abraham you deny all religions who uphold him as false.. What is it u believe exactly. because no one can enter the kingdom who does not believe Abraham for 1 simple reason Yahshua said before Abraham was I AM. so no Gay marriage can be by scripture a chosen people unless they decide to change. Their choice Some people claim that a Judean is not the same thing as a Jew. Some claim that Jesus was not a Jew or a Judean. They say he was a Galilean or resident of Galilee. Its all very unclear, and there is not a lot of real evidence to support what people believe. I have no compelling reasons to believe in Abraham, King David, Moses, Joshua or Jesus. While there is supporting evidence for some of the historical figures mentioned in the Bible, these seem to be less believable and less supported. I am skeptical of our own history books that have been written in the past two hundred years. I don't think they are truthful or accurate either, so there is no reason I would believe books written over 2000 years ago. As far as entering "The Kingdom:" What is The Kingdom? God is omnipresent and believers claim that Jesus said that the Kingdom of heaven is WITHIN. OMNIPRESENT. |
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There are several churches that will still teach against homosexuality. I know several and have visited Church of God, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational. Bible does teach against it, in New Testament. God's Word stays the same, no matter how Man changes their individual way of life in this world. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. ( I Corinthians 6:9) NIV In your opinion, what do you think "THE KINGDOM OF GOD" is? Jesus said it is WITHIN. God is omnipresent. The kingdom of God is within. God is Love. |
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another thing or say question or asking for proof about Gay marriage because to have gay marriage then you must have t gay people.
This being said and we like to quote science. Science if I am right.. many will correct me if I am wrong and I welcome it. That if a man and wife have had this so called gene in them that they can not help.. They were born that away just like when any potential for disease ( just as an example) has been proven to been inherited from the parents. 1 reason why some couple decide not to bring children into life itself because they do not want this gene passed on. Science I believe says this is true with gays. What I would LOVE to see is a study that has been repeated ( which scientific fact must be able to be repeated.. Am I wrong) So we know that many couple get married and then have children and when the children are grown. ( for the sake of the children) go their separate ways to practice what they knew all along they were in or felt they were in the wrong body. If their children were not taught a gay lifestyle I would like to see the repetitive study that shows a child was born over and over again because they were born that way and not swayed that way is. Is not fact in Science a study that can be repeated without no outside influence? is where facts come from.. no different than the Bibles science that you must have 2 witnesses? |
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There are several churches that will still teach against homosexuality. I know several and have visited Church of God, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational. Bible does teach against it, in New Testament. God's Word stays the same, no matter how Man changes their individual way of life in this world. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. ( I Corinthians 6:9) NIV In your opinion, what do you think "THE KINGDOM OF GOD" is? Jesus said it is WITHIN. God is omnipresent. The kingdom of God is within. God is Love. Shalom JB. Since it does not seem like no one is jumping all over what I said above about science fact being repeated without outside factors.. FYI I know little about science most of what I know actually is fro Abracadbra who I personally miss. He seemed to be a very smart man. Yes Elohim is what you said. The kingdom can be inside anyone who's desire it is to have that kigdom.. It is again a choice whether you want it or not. When Yahshua was speaking about quote.."The kingdom of God is within" Is very true. You just have to study.. he does not just want you to believe. That's what Acts 15 The Jerusalem Council was about. What a believer ( a babe on milk of the word must do.. 4 things) A babe ( new believer) is to know this, accept this and the kingdom they will find a new part of it everyday they practice it. Just like any field of study. You must desire it to really learn. To be happy at work you need to love your job. Many people though go for the money and are miserable. That's why someone who chooses Yahshua as his Basics for the Kingdom yet does not like it.. is miserable because they really do not want it .. Pressure from many sides. Family, friends so they go along and are distraught never hardly study. That's the ministers job. I will do as he says. This is why Yahshua blasted the scribes and Pharasees in Math. 23. They were the teachers the authority and the ones with the scrolls.. No mass printing of scrolls. It takes 50k appr. of a Jewish scribe today to make sure when they copy a new scroll by hand. just like in the old days.. ink well and pen. They must not make any mistakes or they must start again so this is a very serious profession among todays Jews. Just what I have been told by some very Respected so called Jewish men. I bring that up to show the importance of what Yahshua was saying the Kingdom is inside you. It is if you desire it.. If you desire it you will try to live your life as Again Yahshua said as long as heaven and earth exist. That not 1 crossing of a T would be changed as it was from the beginning. Yahweh said He was the same Yesterday ,Today and Tommorrow. The Kingdom is for you to desire. to want with all your heart. to begin to live as your desire is. So yes the kingdom is inside all of us.. Just depends if we want it or not. |
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There are several churches that will still teach against homosexuality. I know several and have visited Church of God, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational. Bible does teach against it, in New Testament. God's Word stays the same, no matter how Man changes their individual way of life in this world. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. ( I Corinthians 6:9) NIV In your opinion, what do you think "THE KINGDOM OF GOD" is? Jesus said it is WITHIN. God is omnipresent. The kingdom of God is within. God is Love. God is Love. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know tht he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. (I John 3:24) Niv A person can not have Jesus within, when you don't believe in the Word of God. |
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I am really glad we all are discussing this topic.. Brings to mind so many things. For 1 i believe the show Will and Grace came out in the early 90's. Oh thier was an uproar about this show because of the lifestyle of the Gays. We were told. Oh this is just a comedy it's funny.. quit being so insecure. The show never skipped a beat. Yes it was a funny comedy if you did not mind that the Gays were Really funny and the ahh ones who did not like this lifestyle were bigots? maybe. So our children watched this show because we were assured it's just a comedy.. It's no different than any other show. Do you really think children when watching war, gang movies, play violent video games are really influenced by this. Experts came on Tv talking about how silly this is. No credible expert would ever say this has any thing but joy.. Joy is laughter. Isn't it. Huh.. Since will and grace movies and shows getting more violent and sex scenes being more and more common on Primetime Tv. Video games getting more sophisticated more life like and our children love them.. They know its not real. Huh. what are experts starting to say more and more today about television and video games? Now lifestyle no that has no affect.. just showing another lifestyle. Surely teenage kids and even small children today do not get idea's from these lifestyles/video/tv has any affect on children dressing up like Rambo and shooting everyone insite who they feel has harmed them in some way. Nope not possible. then Homosexuality started to be talked about more and more. Now remember those of you who remember Will and Grace. That the saying was more and more people feel like they have the courage to come out of the closet. Gays are funny.. Just like u and me. ( don't impale me yet..) We started seeing this talked about on tv more and more.. We are so proud of you for coming out That had to take so much courage.. I really want to hear your story as the Talk show host smiles and reaches over and touches thier hand. Stay with us as we will be right back with this amazing story. ( cut commercial break) Yea I am sure it was hard. I do not doubt that. This continued and continued and the internet comes alive. ( our children love chatting and texting with thier friends as the early days of a 28k modem could do) Technology seems to be cruising at incredible speeds. buy a computer. whoops its out dated. Then Barney Frank came out. I am a closet Homosexual and its time for me to let people like me know..It's ok. Hollywood stars ect. The people people see as authoritive. Hero's even. Our children are listening. Hey chatting easier to get on the net.. Movies Tv shows being allowed by the FCC to allow things on tv and movies that children/ young teens can watch.. G, PG, PG13 School shootings. Nope societies wants on technology is important and we want every person to have a computer just like they have a TV.. No WAY. people will never be able to afford this. They got thier wish. they went to China for thier Electronic Devices to be made/ industrialized. This is good for everyone they Cried. Cheap labor. You americans are so lazy.. they are only doing jobs Americans will not do.. Americans want to much. Why should we when you love our technology not get it at a price all americans can afford? Sounds reasonable.. I mean we are not willing to work for 50 cents an hour or even possibly 50 cents a day and they love us in China.. Whats wrong with you said the Rich who owns these companies. yet even the law that says they must pay minimum wage was a little high for these guys yet Americans are lazy. They don't or won't do the job. the Chinese people will and they love us. Humm.. makes since huh? Technology is great. I love it what can be a tool for research anything you can find on the net.. Lets have every child want a computer of thier own. Wouldn't that be great. Now we do acknowedge that children can get into some stuff none of us would ever want our children to see or hear.. we can not help all a child has to do to enter a porn site is check the little box that says yes i am 18 or older and as llong as the Porn site maakes you check that box well. we are not going to hold them liable.. freedom of Speech ever heard of that? it's the parents responsibility to monitor what they see..ok we will try but so much of America since you went to china with so many jobs that paid well, well now mom and dad both have to work.. we want our car.. I can not get to work without a reliable car.. this is true.. we have to have housing thats the American Dream. Yes we want you to have the American Dream. So what do we do with our teenagers? You know when we are at work whatever we tell them they are not allowed to do on the net they may want to do.. Have you raised your children in a good and Proper household. we are doing the best we can. Yet peer pressure is so hard on teenage minds. Then control who your teenager hangs with. What? the more I tell them stay away from them I do not like the way they act.. Yes mom as it goes in one ear and out the other rolling thier eyes as they walk out the door for school. What a delima for parents. they try to teach thier children values but any friend who has a computer they can find watch anything now. Porn,, Gay Porn, Ps2,3 ect. Hello I give up. No way can i monitor my teenager if I enforce it well now that might destroy my whole family because someone might say i am abusive. Everyone has rights you know. So outside influences come in from everywhere. Teenage years are so impressionable. peer pressure either go along or be an out cast. GEEK get away from me go sit over thier. Wow what pressure on our future leaders. oh going back in time not sure when lets just say 2000. Barney Frank Comes out a US Congressman. I am Gay. What thats Great!!! News FLASH BARNEY FRANK has come out of the closet and Is Proud of who he is. News Flash famous celebrity Says they are Gay. News Talk shows here we come.. papers here we come. Hero's standing up for thier rights in this bigoted world. lets talk about this forget other news. Man these Guys and women are Remarkable. Over and over again but this does not influence your children. Schools teaching a alternative lifestyle is your childrens right to know and understand it's OK. Whew. Peer pressure what am I going to do as a parent..I do not like this. Son are you learning in school about alternative lifestyles? yep Whats it about. Its ok now to be gay. You know son we do not believe in this gay stuff.. Thats not who we are or any of your grandparents. What now you going to run down gays now Dad. No son but this should not be taught in school. Maybe I should go talk with your teacher. What!! Dad u are just a Bigoted Christian you do not know how the world works now. I have friends who are Gay and thier really cool. You are just pushing your faith not mine down my throat. I HATE YOU!!!!!! I swear if you talk with my teacher as soon as I am 18 i will leave this sorry azz house and u may never see me again as he storms over to his friends house to vent. Can't try to stop him i could lose everything if he starts to fight me and i physically try to stop him. Oh my What happened to the old ways raising his hands crying out. what is happening. So much more to be said but so long to type. So Will and Grace had no influence on this country. We were told impossible. I am typing this and thinking u know I have seen congressman actually many say on TV.. I am Proud to be a believer. urrrrrnnnntttt.. stop right their. go away. what you are saying is a gay person is less than u.. u r better than them. I did not. Do you believe in the Holy Bible who you know Men wrote 2000 years ago. urrrrrrttttttttttt. Is that not what you said? yes. urrrrrtttt.. wrong answer. Well folks you seen it here on Believe it or not UUrrrrrrtttt.. Just kidding be with us tommorrow when we have some very special guests on who well lets just say intuned with the world we live in and not praying to and invisible man as we here chuckling.. so long folks. Nope our children our not influenced by outside forces they are born with thier Gay gene, Lets celebrate. Funny how in a democracy, freedom of the press, schools are all a will and grace theology? Senators say proudly I am proud to be an American Faith is what I'll be. Where's the Talk show hosts? Where's the News media. breaking news we have Just heard Ron Paul Say he is A Christian and Proud of it. Huh.. Equal weights and balances its on our money as a symbol of freedom and democracy. Funny how things work. The gays have fought hard to get legislation passed. equal weights and balances. Redefined? |
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This reminds of a thread by MsHarmony where people just don't "get" other cultures and read the Bible through filters of their own culture. Back then the famous "BUTT-SEX" was used much like it is used in prisons today and it is not a prohibition on homosexuality. For example, they will point to the story of Sodom and proclaim "Hate the Homo", when the Bible itself states the story of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality: Ezekiel 16:49 New International Version (©2011) "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. New Living Translation (©2007) Sodom's sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door. English Standard Version (©2001) Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. New American Standard Bible (©1995) "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Now this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, plenty of food, and comfortable security, but didn't support the poor and needy. International Standard Version (©2012) Look! This was the sin of your sister Sodom and her daughters: Pride, too much food, undisturbed peace, and failure to help the poor and needy. NET Bible (©2006) "'See here--this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had majesty, abundance of food, and enjoyed carefree ease, but they did not help the poor and needy. that verse goes on to say,,,, 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed ABOMINATION before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. Then why do I not hear you pushing for this in the Parents forum: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” if you are truly interested my belief of the old testament is as a set of laws for a set aside people who were held to a HOLIER standard than any other because they were 'chosen' once Jesus died on the cross, during the New Testament,, there was no longer a 'chosen',, no jew or gentile,,etc all became equal and were afforded salvation through the sacrifice of Christ,,,,, Where do you get these ideas??? ...reading |
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There are several churches that will still teach against homosexuality. I know several and have visited Church of God, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational. Bible does teach against it, in New Testament. God's Word stays the same, no matter how Man changes their individual way of life in this world. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. ( I Corinthians 6:9) NIV In your opinion, what do you think "THE KINGDOM OF GOD" is? Jesus said it is WITHIN. God is omnipresent. The kingdom of God is within. God is Love. God is Love. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know tht he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. (I John 3:24) Niv A person can not have Jesus within, when you don't believe in the Word of God. So what, in your opinion, is the "word of God?" |
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