No the only way to know right from wrong is in what God has revealed to us, first by his prophets which were killed, then through his own Son which was killed.

I am not condeming anyone, atheism is self condemned for rejecting the existence of God, even though they have to ignore facts and they also reject Gods perfect law even though the consequences of doing so are obviously harmful.

That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

I think you would be happier if you would not let atheists get under your skin so much.

The harmful effects of disobeying Bible based morality is not an opinion but an observable fact.

Secularism has spread the drug and alcohol culture and all the STD's, crime, violence in society.

Christianity has delivered many from these things.

Lets look at atheistic morality.

1) Sexual freedom which has lead to the spread of AIDS, increased abortion rate, STD's all of which has turned a beautiful gift that propogates life and love into the spread of death and world wide suffering.

2) Party Culture that has lead to drug problems, alcoholics , domestic violence, crime, all of which is a gauntlet of things that are designed to ruin peoples lives.

3) Science which has lead to the dependance of technology, overpopulation, climate change, global warming which will lead to the next generation to suffer more then any other in history.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

I wonder who said that...?

Ah an atheist has no morals thread.Funny most of the people in america that do the crimes are christians because there are so many.....next.

who cares about your contrived Charge!
You can take them to the Land where the Pepper grows for all I care!
My Moral Stature isn't at the mercy of your Counterfeit-Morality!

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/morality.html

If I were to speak your kind of language, I would say that man’s only moral commandment is: Thou shalt think. But a “moral commandment” is a contradiction in terms. The moral is the chosen, not the forced; the understood, not the obeyed. The moral is the rational, and reason accepts no commandments.

My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists—and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason—Purpose—Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge—Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve—Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.

For the New Intellectual

Galt’s Speech,

these threads are interesting,, the more often I read them, the more clear it becomes that people will believe what they choose to believe

and with neither atheist or religious being able to prove they are right or prove the other is wrong

it usually denigrates into who can belittle the other the most,,,,when will we learn,,,,,

believe what you want, leave others to do the same, there is no real point in trying to educate the true fool,,, whichever side you they may be on,,,

these threads are interesting,, the more often I read them, the more clear it becomes that people will believe what they choose to believe

and with neither atheist or religious being able to prove they are right or prove the other is wrong

it usually denigrates into who can belittle the other the most,,,,when will we learn,,,,,

believe what you want, leave others to do the same, there is no real point in trying to educate the true fool,,, whichever side they may be on,,,

but so much easier and more rewarding to do!

It sooo bolsters that Self-esteem!

You know,like the Pharisee and the Taxcollector in the Temple!

Thank Thee God That I Am Not Like Him!

Good show Conrad

Christians blame "the devil" and atheists for the crime and corruption that exists among a population dominated by their own fold.

repeated for effect

:believe what you want, leave others to do the same, there is no real point in trying to educate the true fool,,, whichever side they may be on,,,




anyone catching on yet?

Incorrect.

One can not blame another for one's own actions, regardless if they were tempted to or not. There is no passing the blame for again one's own actions, that is why everyone is accountable for their own actions.

Incorrect for you perhaps. You do not represent all Christians.
I have found that they blame the devil for their own actions, and they blame atheism for the problems in the world.

Are you trying to say that those who believe in god never break the law, because you believe god is always watching you?

But why is it just a "me" thing and a "they" thing? Yeah, there may be one or two here that do as such, but that doesn't mean they represent the belief any more or any less then I or other's that don't look at it that way.

That's why God "judges", what would there to be to "judge" if all the blame was going to be set on Satan anyways?

In general, in my experience, and even in these forums, people blame the devil for things.

I read tarot cards and the Christians in my small town are terrified of me because they harbor the ridiculous belief that I am in league with Satan. It sounded so absurd to me, that I did not believe this was possible until I heard it strait out of the mouth of a preacher who knew other ministers in town.

I had listed all the churches on my city website and because I also had a few pages about tarot cards, I was asked, via a written letter, to remove all the information about the churches.

The fact that I was a tarot card reader put some of these Christians into a frenzy. It was unbelievable.

So yes, it is a 'they' thing.

Any you are not one of them. And for that I thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv-jBAfJAw

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Is it Christians spreading AIDS?

Is it Christians creating the drug and alcohol culture?

Is it Christians selling drugs on the streets to your kids?

Is it Christianity that is hiding the facts that disprove evolution?

What you got to understand that by the nature of the fall, we are inherently rebellious toward God and ultimately self seeking and full of self importance. By nature, without God we are prone to these traits.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.