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Jeanniebean
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I kinda get what you're saying. Basically it breaks down to, reality for each person is different, but also that reality is only "reality" because that is what we perceive it to be. For religious people the words in the bible are reality because they build that reality in their minds. I've spent many hours and days pondering the reality around me, for it is all interpretation of the senses. On a side note, I'd feel weird about calling Jean "JB" cuz that's what people call Justin Bieber. 
I was "jeanniebean" before Justin Bieber got out of diapers. (Its an old nickname) What we call "reality" certainly seems real. We call it "real."
We generally define experiences that we share and experience together as a group "reality." That is the agreement. We all see and experience it, so we all agree it is "real." Scientist's observed it, tested it, measured it so we agree to trust them and say it is "real." A materialist considers "real" things that are agreed upon by outside authorities (authorities outside of their personal experience) -- as being real. They may even agree that something is real when they have never seen or experienced it because of respected outside authorities (other people) telling them it is real. If a person sees or experiences something that changes their life in some way, but no one else saw it or experienced it with them, they are told that it was "illusion" because it was not a shared experience and there is no agreement that it is real. But an individual can decide for himself what is real even if no one else agrees. Yes, the rest of the world might think he or she is hallucinating because he does not share the hallucination with everyone else. But if a person's hallucination were to suddenly manifest into their reality, and they could see it, then they would say it is now "real." |
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"Reality" is a shared (and agreed upon) experience.
Other experiencers (other people) are the authorities who verify this shared experience and all of the 'material things' in it. A green chair is a green chair. (except to a color blind person, but he will agree that the chair is "green" if he trusts the authorities and other people who tell him it is. The problem is, he does not know what 'green' is and cannot identify all things that are green. Especially scientists who sort out which things are experienced by everyone and they put these things of this reality under their scientific scrutiny. They test, measure, agree on what is real (most of the time) and they call things "facts." |
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Jb's much more interesting a person than Justin Beiber.
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But even based on this line of thinking; a large part of the world is religious, all of them believe there is a god, but none have seen him/her/it or had a direct encounter. So while a religious person can build a reality from the bible and what they're told from religious friends and the media and such, it all boils down to being baseless "fact".
A large percentage of the world's population are religious people, if religion was such a good thing then why is the world drenched in evil? Humanity has risen above the bible's teachings; logic has prevailed, for man to be truly good and just he need not follow any book or cult but only do what he knows in his heart is the right thing. If man is logical then the path he follows will be the right one and common sense will lead the way. |
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But even based on this line of thinking; a large part of the world is religious, all of them believe there is a god, but none have seen him/her/it or had a direct encounter. So while a religious person can build a reality from the bible and what they're told from religious friends and the media and such, it all boils down to being baseless "fact". At school we learn from authorities and books. As children we have little reason to doubt what we are taught. We have not seen the historical figures we are taught about, but we believe what our teachers tell us. Logically, we can't imagine any ulterior motive as to why anyone would lie to us. But later we discover that history is written by the victor and the government that wins the wars. We learn that it may not be completely accurate. We may even learn that it is a lie. Then we might learn that the "News" is not always accurate. So skeptics are born. A large percentage of the world's population are religious people, if religion was such a good thing then why is the world drenched in evil? With or without religion, the world would be drenched in "evil." It is because humankind have not evolved mentally and spiritually enough to learn to love one another. God is supposed to represent Love and Good. But there is still a lack of that. Children are born with only the "id." They care only about themselves. As they grow, they usually learn to care about others. Some don't. These are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is only love that can banish "evil." Humanity has risen above the bible's teachings; logic has prevailed, for man to be truly good and just he need not follow any book or cult but only do what he knows in his heart is the right thing. If man is logical then the path he follows will be the right one and common sense will lead the way. I totally agree. When humanity grows up and learns to care about each other and learns to love, they will no longer need a parent to punish and reward them. |
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"They care only about themselves. As they grow, they usually learn to care about others. Some don't. These are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is only love that can banish "evil."
That's true to an extent but I can tell you that my experience was quite the opposite, I was born loving and caring and taught through years of abuse and neglect to stop caring about others without a reward attached. Of course it's always my first reaction to care about people without setting conditions but my second reaction is always to pull back from the first as I have not had many good experiences with people. |
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@t lazarus, i just go through ur writeup now but i am not satisfied with ur comments. I strogly disagreed with u when u said that God is not a loving God. I heard u say that "God exist because we believe he exit but does not exist when we stop believing that he exist. Base on the fact, one can chose the better hand preferable to him to support his head. You may not believe that God exist on your side basically because u do not believe in him but those who believe in him sees the dazzling light of God in them. God is a jealous God, u cannot serve two masters at a sport , do not expect the work of God when u did not believe in him. I also heard u say that if God really exist, how then would people suffering. This is a good question. U and i believe that before a student could go to another level of class in school, he or she must have undergo series of test or exams. I am here to oppose the saying that God is not a loving God.
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Scientists today are now saying you need more faith to believe in evolution than creation.
The bible is scientifically, historically and prophetically correct. What many dont realise, is that Satan is the current ruler of this world (according to the bible)hence the suffering but, he 'has a short period of time'...according to the bible, the Kingdom we pray for in the lords prayer will 'destroy governments' and religion and restore peace and harmony back on earth' Thanks your friend WillywillyYumyum <3 |
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But even based on this line of thinking; a large part of the world is religious, all of them believe there is a god, but none have seen him/her/it or had a direct encounter. So while a religious person can build a reality from the bible and what they're told from religious friends and the media and such, it all boils down to being baseless "fact". A large percentage of the world's population are religious people, if religion was such a good thing then why is the world drenched in evil? Humanity has risen above the bible's teachings; logic has prevailed, for man to be truly good and just he need not follow any book or cult but only do what he knows in his heart is the right thing. If man is logical then the path he follows will be the right one and common sense will lead the way. How would you know if anyone has ever had an encounter with Yahshua? Because of tv? religion on tv is a joke. If the world kept the law of Yahweh we would not have evil in this world. but it refuses.. We want to be our own Elohim. We want to worship ourselves and be whatever we want do whatever we want. is abortion evil? yes it is it a slaughter of the innocents. thier are so many things in this world that people do that are evil because they would be guilty if they followed the scriptures.. so istead they make up thier religion.. almost everything is a religion. our congress is a religion. our govt. is a religion. all these thing people cling to yet have no idea whats going on. |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,,
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, animals understand the pointlessness of being gay... |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) Come on now, I put my time in sitting in the classroom. Do you think I make stuff up to suit my purposes? Instead of digging out old textbooks, how about a blurb from Wikipedia: Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexual behavior is best known from social species. According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[7] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[9] Is that good enough for you? Aren't you the one who questioned me when some dope tried to prove creationism with a banana and I pointed out that the banana you eat today is a genetically made (man-made) fruit. Why all the doubt and mistrust. Just because everything you think you know is wrong, that should not challenge your faith- that is why it is called FAITH and not something else. I would rather you be the nice person you are with your faith than something else |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering no they don't... just propaganda put out there by the gays... |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) Come on now, I put my time in sitting in the classroom. Do you think I make stuff up to suit my purposes? Instead of digging out old textbooks, how about a blurb from Wikipedia: Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexual behavior is best known from social species. According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[7] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[9] Is that good enough for you? Aren't you the one who questioned me when some dope tried to prove creationism with a banana and I pointed out that the banana you eat today is a genetically made (man-made) fruit. Why all the doubt and mistrust. Just because everything you think you know is wrong, that should not challenge your faith- that is why it is called FAITH and not something else. I would rather you be the nice person you are with your faith than something else any gay could write anything they want on wiki... 
no actual science to back up your claim.. |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) Come on now, I put my time in sitting in the classroom. Do you think I make stuff up to suit my purposes? Instead of digging out old textbooks, how about a blurb from Wikipedia: Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexual behavior is best known from social species. According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[7] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[9] Is that good enough for you? Aren't you the one who questioned me when some dope tried to prove creationism with a banana and I pointed out that the banana you eat today is a genetically made (man-made) fruit. Why all the doubt and mistrust. Just because everything you think you know is wrong, that should not challenge your faith- that is why it is called FAITH and not something else. I would rather you be the nice person you are with your faith than something else any gay could write anything they want on wiki...
no actual science to back up your claim..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) Come on now, I put my time in sitting in the classroom. Do you think I make stuff up to suit my purposes? Instead of digging out old textbooks, how about a blurb from Wikipedia: Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexual behavior is best known from social species. According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[7] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[9] Is that good enough for you? Aren't you the one who questioned me when some dope tried to prove creationism with a banana and I pointed out that the banana you eat today is a genetically made (man-made) fruit. Why all the doubt and mistrust. Just because everything you think you know is wrong, that should not challenge your faith- that is why it is called FAITH and not something else. I would rather you be the nice person you are with your faith than something else any gay could write anything they want on wiki...
no actual science to back up your claim..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia yea, but speculative crap like this they will allow.. |
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Then how did evrything came to be,why havent the scientists created,why havent they stoped death,,concerning gay av never seen two male animals having sex,or two females do it,do you mean animals are more inteligent than humans,, Many animals perform homosexual activity either for pleasure or when they sense a population density unsupportable by the current eco-system. Honestly the lack of scientific knowledge on these forums is staggering how does the scientific community determine an animals 'reasons' for a behavior,,? whether its for 'pleasure' or out of a consciousness about 'population density'...? I find that an interesting statement to make as if it is a given scientific fact,, how is such a thing proven scientifically to be fact? (intention or motivation of an animal, that is) Come on now, I put my time in sitting in the classroom. Do you think I make stuff up to suit my purposes? Instead of digging out old textbooks, how about a blurb from Wikipedia: Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexual behavior is best known from social species. According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[7] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[9] Is that good enough for you? Aren't you the one who questioned me when some dope tried to prove creationism with a banana and I pointed out that the banana you eat today is a genetically made (man-made) fruit. Why all the doubt and mistrust. Just because everything you think you know is wrong, that should not challenge your faith- that is why it is called FAITH and not something else. I would rather you be the nice person you are with your faith than something else any gay could write anything they want on wiki...
no actual science to back up your claim..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia yea, but speculative crap like this they will allow.. Actually it is not speculative,but scientific observation of Animals! |
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LOL Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
How about this blurb from Yale University? Home About YSM Get Involved Subscriptions Advertisements YSM Archive Essay Contest Contact Us Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality? ARASH FEREYDOONI MARCH 14, 2012 2 Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought. Although Darwin’s theory of natural selection predicts an evolutionary disadvantage for animals that fail to pass along their traits through reproduction with the opposite sex, the validity of this part of his theory has been questioned with the discoveries of homosexual behavior in more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world. Human beings are not the only animals to exhibit homosexual behavior. Photo courtesy of the globalanimal.org. Currently, homosexual behavior has been documented in over 450 different animal species worldwide. For instance, observations indicate that Humboldt, King, Gentoo, and Adélie penguins of the same sex engage in “mating rituals like entwining their necks and vocalizing to one another.” In addition, male giraffes have also been observed engaging in homosexual behavior by rubbing their necks against each others’ bodies while ignoring the females. Yet another example is lizards of the genus Teiidae, which can copulate with both male and female mates. Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk from the University of California, Riverside have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages. Or are the gays everywhere posting their lies. No one here thinks or cares if you are gay, we will love you all the same. However, I also think Ms Harmoney also wanted some understanding of the concept of Intention, as she seems to not understand it (or its role in the Zimmerman trial) However, I now have to go and take massive dump, during which I also plan to get lost in a good spy thriller. |
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