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If is not a God of love why did he put us on this earth???? Divine love is not an "emotion." It isn't specifically out to kill anyone! I don't know by what Slight of Hand those Tribal Deities became the Creators and Keepers of the Universe! 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 10/03/13 08:56 PM
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When people say that you should 'fear God' what they are really talking about is the law of God, or the law of vibration in this universe that is the law of causation. This is how the law works. It does not pass judgment. It is like the law of gravity. You jump off of a cliff, you will plunge to your physical death. That is the law of gravity. The law of vibration will draw unto you, that which you place your observation and attention on, and like attracts like. He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Precisely, JeannieBean! 
God is also our judge. But yes, he is also a loving God. Everything good on this planet comes from him. Every negative feeling, disease comes from satan and his minions. We were all given free will to give into the things that don't come from God. Lusting, greed,hatred, racism,prejudice,dissention etc. These all come from the negative forces, who do have the power to influence us to sin. As mortal humans, we don't really have the right to judge. I could tell someone how, if they don't repent their sins, believe that Jesus is their Lord and savior, and how he did on the cross so that if we prayed to him for forgiveness, and repented, we could save ourselves from going to that horrible place called hell when we leave our physical bodies. In the Bible it clearly states that no person should be a judge or hypocrite. God does the judging. We don't have that right. All of what you say above is purely symbolic. Don't think you should take it literally. What was symbolic of what I had stated above? I do take it literally. To me the Bible is God's law. IMO, anyone who doesn't take the Bible seriously, very well should, as they will regret it someday. But you don't have to take my word for it. ALL OF IT IS SYMBOLIC. And it was all written by men attempting to get the message across. GOD represents good. (Symbolic) Satan represents evil. (Symbolic) good = life evil = death good(God) = life and love evil(Devil) = death and absence of love. (ALL SYMBOLIC) Absence of love is absence of life. Jesus either represents God or God's messenger. He represents man made flesh. He represents the enlightenment of mankind. (Symbolic) Jesus represent God thus he represents love and enlightenment. Accepting LOVE as a way of life is the same as accepting Jesus who represents love and life. Thus he said, "I am the way, the truth and the light." Love is the way, the truth and the light. These are the symbols and their meanings. and I take it all very seriously.... |
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As far as having the 'right to judge' in a logical way I agree because in our limited state of consciousness and in our limited perspective we do not have all the facts. Unless you have walked in another's shoes, and lived their life you are not qualified to judge them.
But the one person we do have a right to judge is ourselves. That is what the judgement card is about. We judge ourselves and we forgive ourselves and we become new by choice. That is salvation. 
http://www.infinitevisionstarot.com/meanings/20-judgement.html |
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well, (for believers) we will know for sure when it happens , judgment day for unbelievers, you will know for sure IF it finally happens absence of 'proof' is not proof of absence,,,, |
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well, (for believers) we will know for sure when it happens , judgment day for unbelievers, you will know for sure IF it finally happens absence of 'proof' is not proof of absence,,,, Judgement day happens every day for those who are aware. |
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As far as having the 'right to judge' in a logical way I agree because in our limited state of consciousness and in our limited perspective we do not have all the facts. Unless you have walked in another's shoes, and lived their life you are not qualified to judge them. But the one person we do have a right to judge is ourselves. That is what the judgement card is about. We judge ourselves and we forgive ourselves and we become new by choice. That is salvation.
http://www.infinitevisionstarot.com/meanings/20-judgement.html Well, according to scripture, we really don't have the will to become a new and better person, just by ourselves. It's the Holy Spirit who dwells within the believer,and God himself that helps us. Due to our sinful nature, we're not really capable of changing ourselves alone. |
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As far as having the 'right to judge' in a logical way I agree because in our limited state of consciousness and in our limited perspective we do not have all the facts. Unless you have walked in another's shoes, and lived their life you are not qualified to judge them. But the one person we do have a right to judge is ourselves. That is what the judgement card is about. We judge ourselves and we forgive ourselves and we become new by choice. That is salvation.
http://www.infinitevisionstarot.com/meanings/20-judgement.html Well, according to scripture, we really don't have the will to become a new and better person, just by ourselves. It's the Holy Spirit who dwells within the believer,and God himself that helps us. Due to our sinful nature, we're not really capable of changing ourselves alone. If you believe in God, (or The holy spirit) I think it is also reasonable to believe that "It" (God) is omnipresent therefore It dwells within everything and expresses itself in all things of creation. I personally believe that God manifests life rather than creates it as a separate outsider. Therefore all that exists is literally part of that the body of God. But if you believe that we have free will, then of course we do have the will to become a better person, (or not)regardless of what we believe. Also, if you are going to state an opinion based on something "according to Scripture" it would probably be appropriate to quote the actual scripture where you got that idea so I could understand how you draw your conclusions. |
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The Bible is a good way to live. If you don't think so it just reflects on your poor understanding. This is the other problem with religion, and in this case the Bible, and it goes along with the infallibility thing spoken of earlier. You CANNOT challenge it! If people ever try, it's always twisted by believers as our own failure to understand the thing like above, it's never ever ever that MAYBE what we are being told is wrong or incorrect. Now how are you supposed to have an objective debate about the validity of something when whenever one comes up with an argument that is the response? You can't do it, the whole thing is rigged to make you look bad unless you agree with them. That is a biased system looking to support itself, not the actual truth. What exactly are religious people afraid of? If the Bible is right as they say, if what they believe is right, then certainly the facts will prove it right? So what is the need to place the blame always on the questioner instead of the thing being questioned? Afraid of being wrong? I think that's what it comes down to to me, they don't wanna be wrong so they shift the focus on the one making the argument instead, or even try to make excuses for the bad behavior done by their God or in the name of their God. Catholics even have a term for this, they call it apologetics, which is basically another form of saying apology. If something is good and right it need not be apologized for. That a religion would feel the need to have a term that basically means just that, trying to justify their behavior somehow, says a lot about it. So yeah bottom line is, you cannot have an honest discussion about this if every single time someone challenges it, you make the issue about them and not about what they are trying to argue against. You want truth? Then you'll follow it wherever it leads, even if it means you were wrong. Anything else just indicates you wanna cling to what you believe no matter what evidence is shown otherwise. All believers have a conception (right or wrong) of what the Bible means. I have questions and many of them have not been answered to my satisfaction. That said, I also BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS. The proof is all around us. We live in an extremely complex environment that you would have to believe that a tornado through a junkyard could accidently create a working jet plane, to accept that we are all products of chance. When the Platypus was first brought back to England it was thought to be a stitched together creature. Why, because it did not fit Darwin's theory. I listened to a Q&A with a professor of Paleantolog6y. He was asked about transitional species and he replied that there were more than could ever be catalogued, "We just haven't found them yet." Read some of Josh McDowell's books, especially "Evidence that demands a verdict," and see how one young man bent on proving the non-existance of God became a great Evangelist. The answers are there. Not always evident or not always what we think they should be. God created us with a free will, not as robots. Being a programmer I have written many many programs over the past 45 years. Thy were designed to do exactly what I wanted them to do and when they didn't I tweaked them so the did. I could have written one for an automaton that served my every whim and professed love and obesience every day. Did it do it out of love or because it was hardwired by my program to do it? It is the same with God, He asks and wants us to love Him for who He is. He wants what is best for us. Just as a child gets his butt busted for running into the street because it is dangerous, God will chastise us. We are the ones who choose to be punished. |
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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Fri 12/05/14 05:39 PM
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OmG, I can't believe this thread is still going, it's truly perpetual. XD
Oops, guess it's not. Didn't look at the date of last post, lol.. |
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well, (for believers) we will know for sure when it happens , judgment day for unbelievers, you will know for sure IF it finally happens absence of 'proof' is not proof of absence,,,, Judgement day happens every day for those who are aware. 
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for those whom don't rely upon god, judge them selves each day as creating better, or worse, for all others whom must live here upon earth to, and for the betterment of all of humankind together as one, each in adulthood allow other's to live and let live, with mutual consent of two, or 3, or 4, or 10, as their only law of good, versus bad.
for to steal the free will of another, for one self, without their consent, be the only deadly sin of unequality of free will. peace |
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If an invisible God, obliged You to an existence without any hardship, what-so-ever... Could You be anymore grateful (To That God) than You already aren't?
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If an invisible God, obliged You to an existence without any hardship, what-so-ever... Could You be anymore grateful (To That God) than You already aren't?
thinking is good... you will have plenty of time to think about your false belief's proclaimed that harmed precious souls of the true gods... let us sing "down to the river" as the jinns carry super sheik down to the river to cleanse his false un believing soul. for as it was writ, in this day, it would be better to have chains around one's neck and cast into the sea than to offend one of the precious lambs of the true gods, and the true gods doth release now lions to devour those whom so loved to devour. peaze to the sea brotha super sheik. |
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What is the very first of the 'Ten Commandments?' (Don't Know?)
Exodus 20: 2+3 |
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As far as having the 'right to judge' in a logical way I agree because in our limited state of consciousness and in our limited perspective we do not have all the facts. Unless you have walked in another's shoes, and lived their life you are not qualified to judge them. But the one person we do have a right to judge is ourselves. That is what the judgement card is about. We judge ourselves and we forgive ourselves and we become new by choice. That is salvation.
http://www.infinitevisionstarot.com/meanings/20-judgement.html Well, according to scripture, we really don't have the will to become a new and better person, just by ourselves. It's the Holy Spirit who dwells within the believer,and God himself that helps us. Due to our sinful nature, we're not really capable of changing ourselves alone. |
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What is the very first of the 'Ten Commandments?' (Don't Know?) Exodus 20: 2+3 who be the fools who use a book to decide what be real or not real, good and not good, CORRECT AND UNCORRECT. there be no commandments. THAT IS NOT THE MEANING OF THE GODS. BUT SINCE YOU WISH IT BE, YOU WILL DEEM "YOUR MEANING" AS THE GODS MEANING. ONLY JINNS CAN HELP YOU NOW. you have eaten of the diseased cursed book. did you not read that in the book too? ANY THAT EATS OF THIS BOOK TO GAIN MERCY FOR THEM SELF, OR GOOD OR FAVOR FOR THEM SELF FROM GOD, BRING DESOLATION AND DAMNATION UPON THEM SELF... yepper's SAD SAD SAD. |
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What is the very first of the 'Ten Commandments?' (Don't Know?) Exodus 20: 2+3 who be the fools who use a book to decide what be real or not real, good and not good, CORRECT AND UNCORRECT. there be no commandments. THAT IS NOT THE MEANING OF THE GODS. BUT SINCE YOU WISH IT BE, YOU WILL DEEM "YOUR MEANING" AS THE GODS MEANING. ONLY JINNS CAN HELP YOU NOW. you have eaten of the diseased cursed book. did you not read that in the book too? ANY THAT EATS OF THIS BOOK TO GAIN MERCY FOR THEM SELF, OR GOOD OR FAVOR FOR THEM SELF FROM GOD, BRING DESOLATION AND DAMNATION UPON THEM SELF... yepper's SAD SAD SAD. How can ONLY JINNS CAN HELP YOU NOW. hahaha.. masyaAllah u here talk about Jinn again. mankind and Jinn both will be judges on the Day of Judgement. how can they help us if they also will be judge? |
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Jinns and demons...
that which the true gods send to torment the minds of those whom demand others be as them self or NOT OF TRUE GODS. don't worry... The true gods will send many jinns and demons to cleanse the minds of those who create unsanity and war for many by demanding Allah be belief of gods. when allah was just belief by little people who wanted to be be big gods over others. judgement day be today. and every day. |
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I just want to reiterate and correct a small grammatical error from Violet73... I'm pretty certain she meant to say, '"Mankind and Jinn both will be 'judged' on the day of judgment."'
Hey SuperDavid, What do You have against things being written-down, like in a book? Do You have a better way of recording something to time indefinite? |
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I just want to reiterate and correct a small grammatical error from Violet73... I'm pretty certain she meant to say, '"Mankind and Jinn both will be 'judged' on the day of judgment."' Hey SuperDavid, What do You have against things being written-down, like in a book? Do You have a better way of recording something to time indefinite? nothing will get you outta of it GreatSuperSheik.. no sense of begging. the consequences were writ. Jinns and demons for the infidels who blasphemed the true gods, and cast into the lake of fire. sorry. rules are rules. |
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