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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? First, you are talking about a fictional story. Second, if it were real, then right or wrong would be determined by what the law says, not by how one feels. |
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It's funny how you only hear Americans coming out with stuff like this and saying that it's alright to go around shooting people like they are just animals. What's even funnier is your statement...It is also false.... That's cuz they're scared of guns. Oh  ...I thought if was cause they feel a need to bash my country  How are you Hippy?...and good luck on you job interview!! 
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Thanks leigh. They told me they were thinking about hiring another accountant. I guess if they do I have a chance.
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It's funny how you only hear Americans coming out with stuff like this and saying that it's alright to go around shooting people like they are just animals. What's even funnier is your statement...It is also false.... That's cuz they're scared of guns. Damned right we are but I'm not scared to walk down any street in the city that I live in with it's complete lack of gun crime. And before you say anything about knives, it's illegal to carry those here as well. But I guess it's understandable that you would hang onto a constitutional right like that. Never know when you might want to have another revolution. |
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Back to the original question.
I don't think you can kill somebody because of what you think they may do. The boy did not physically threaten the mother so that she would think her life was in danger at the time of the shooting. The boys' violent tendencies could have been the result of abuse, some mental disease he inherited from either of his parents, or a combination of both. |
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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? First, you are talking about a fictional story. Second, if it were real, then right or wrong would be determined by what the law says, not by how one feels. the law determines legal or illegal, not right or wrong,,, Im aware it was fictional, but its not a fictional dilemma if we attribute peoples behaviors to their genetics, than how far can we go with that in cases of law if someone is 'born' a serial killer,with a 'serial killer' gene, can we take them out in anticipation that they are going to kill? |
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Edited by
ridewytepony
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My sister works with children that have behavioural problems and I think that she would be horrified that anyone could even think that killing them was a horn of a dilemma. It's funny how you only hear Americans coming out with stuff like this and saying that it's alright to go around shooting people like they are just animals. I remember seeing this documentary 20-25years ago You've probably seen it this was about homeless Kids 6 years old in Thailand living in the sewers where they were safe from the cops. If they found these undesirables they Would beat them to death. Every country does this, and they are animals Generally with bad history and you will see this more now as its Hard for one to escape & easier to get Caught in an often unlawful & immoral crimes The reaction is probably 99.97% adult on adult crime Some people just dont call 911 especially when it come to skin hounds & kiddie diddlers 
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Edited by
TawtStrat
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Mon 05/20/13 04:47 AM
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My sister works with children that have behavioural problems and I think that she would be horrified that anyone could even think that killing them was a horn of a dilemma. It's funny how you only hear Americans coming out with stuff like this and saying that it's alright to go around shooting people like they are just animals. I remember seeing this documentary 20-25years ago You've probably seen it this was about homeless Kids 6 years old in Thailand living in the sewers where they were safe from the cops. If they found these undesirables they Would beat them to death. Every country does this, and they are animals Generally with bad history and you will see this more now as its Hard for one to escape & easier to get Caught in an often unlawful & immoral crimes The reaction is probably 99.97% adult on adult crime Some people just dont call 911 especially when it come to skin hounds & kiddie diddlers Well, those people are taking the law into their own hands and they are criminals themselves. There's a difference between the "have a go hero" that uses reasonable force to apprehend a mugger that steals an old lady's handbag and going out and shooting somebody because you think that they are a criminal. If the police aren't protecting the public then they aren't doing their job and your country is like some lawless wild west town. Americans can't have it both ways and say that they are proud of their country and then say that the law in their country fails to protect said Americans. I'll tell you another story. A guy from my country that was on holiday in Florida needed directions and went to someone's house to ask for them and knocked on the door. The owner of the house just opened the door and shot him and the cops didn't even arrest this person. That's messed up and it's not justice. If you choose to live by the sword then you have to be prepared to die by it. We have laws for a reason and that's to protect us from each other. Otherwise all that you have is anarchy or mob rule. |
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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? First, you are talking about a fictional story. Second, if it were real, then right or wrong would be determined by what the law says, not by how one feels. the law determines legal or illegal, not right or wrong,,, Im aware it was fictional, but its not a fictional dilemma if we attribute peoples behaviors to their genetics, than how far can we go with that in cases of law if someone is 'born' a serial killer,with a 'serial killer' gene, can we take them out in anticipation that they are going to kill? You claim that it isn't a fictional dilemma, but you have not given evidence that it could be factual. A 'serial killer' gene could be nothing more than a figment of Hollywood's imagination. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 05/20/13 06:08 AM
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the only Right to kill is in Selfdefense!!
It's part of your Right to Life! |
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What would I do in that situation? No matter how mean that son was, I would not choose to murder him. I'd leave that up to executioners in a prison. I'd phone the police and tell them I was in harm's way, then I'd get a restraining order, then I'd get me, and the other children out of that house for life. If it meant staying with a member of family, so be it. I'd rather be safe, than be in my own home where harm was.
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Edited by
sweetestgirl11
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Mon 05/20/13 06:29 AM
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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? mansalughter 25-50yrs. she has no way to prove she took the gun for "protection" - but manslaughter if the jury believes that cocknbull story. murder one if they don't & life the fact that he was also a murderer does not 2 wrongs a right make she should have called the authorities a long long time before this. It's not like she didn't have other options thru the legal system also I see no dilemma here in the cold hard light of day her actions were immoral as well as illegal....so dilemma? no - to me the dilemma is whether to believe that she took the gun for protection ONLY. there is no reasonable excuse for her actions |
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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? First, you are talking about a fictional story. Second, if it were real, then right or wrong would be determined by what the law says, not by how one feels. the law determines legal or illegal, not right or wrong,,, Im aware it was fictional, but its not a fictional dilemma if we attribute peoples behaviors to their genetics, than how far can we go with that in cases of law if someone is 'born' a serial killer,with a 'serial killer' gene, can we take them out in anticipation that they are going to kill? no that would not be within the law. no crime has been committed - but peeps can be "watched" and that's always a possilbilty but won't necessarily happen either |
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Tawtstrat
I'll just clarify, born UK, raised in Ca that Florida thing is weid ?you have the right to bearer arms to protect but even in the Wild West days you still couldn't Just gun one down unjustified, there was such thing as fair gun fight. Witnesses stating otherwise,and they'd shorelly hang. As far as been in a yard, thats not enough in my opinion I no there's a lot of retirees in that state I'm sure they have no problem protecting what there just spent their sifetime acquiring. Mabyee a sign in English, displayed is law for that state, dont no. I like that right and a wish Canada had that, the police here aren't going to protect you any better and police will seldom intervene until after the assault or murder I came to Alberta this past winter as a often do for winter work. I got into an altercation with one guy and It ended up 3 on 1 situation with the end results ,me with a broken leg torn ligaments. The Hospital phoned the cops on me because the staff tried to remove my shoe without undoing it first! right in front of the doctor that said nothing, resulted in me freaking out on both of then. Three cops came, one was areally good with people and talked to me and took over and took my shoe off the right way The other cops were just dickheads, didn't care that I was assaulted, the one cops comment about me been assaulted was, "Welcome to Alberta..lol. So 110 days latter still of work and have lost a pile of money. I guess there's criminal comp but cops didn't take a statment. I geuss my piont is guns can also be a deterrent. |
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Edited by
ridewytepony
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Just curious, while watching one of my favorite shows an interesting scenario arose, just curious what others feel,,, scenario: a woman finds out after breaking off an abusive relationship that she is pregnant and keeps the baby, later it is discovered the baby's father is a serial rapist/killer ,, she remarries throughout her childs life, he is violent and begins at a young age torturing animals,, he leaves his family essentially to run the streets in his late teens periodically reappearing at his mother/stepfathers door for money the mother and stepfather argue over it until one day the pregnant girlfriend of this child shows up asking for money and looking beat up,,, so the mother goes to the sons to confront him, gun in tow for protection, he blows her off and she recognizes in his glare the look his biological father would give her when she would confront him she shoots him dead,,, her defense is that she knew he was going to be a danger to others like his father during the trial, it is discovered that the son had in fact, killed someone in cold blood prior,, something the mother didnt have knowledge of so,, once he was caught, he MIGHT have got the death penalty anyway if he hadnt been caught or killed, he MIGHT have gone on to be a serial killer what should the verdict be? is this flat out murder like the shooting of any other unarmed person? does she get a pass for being able to POTENTIALLY save future victims of her son? what other recourse did she have to try and protect others? mansalughter 25-50yrs. she has no way to prove she took the gun for "protection" - but manslaughter if the jury believes that cocknbull story. murder one if they don't & life the fact that he was also a murderer does not 2 wrongs a right make she should have called the authorities a long long time before this. It's not like she didn't have other options thru the legal system also I see no dilemma here in the cold hard light of day her actions were immoral as well as illegal....so dilemma? no - to me the dilemma is whether to believe that she took the gun for protection ONLY. there is no reasonable excuse for her actions What the heck is this shite your writing..lol apart from the man slaughter inflated guesstimation  Its a bit of a no brainer, its very agreeable. So I got one for you! So murder is wrong, if you kill in the pen , caught !you 're geting new charges yet men are raped by men & gangs of men everyday. Why does society turn a blind eye? This doesn't ever go infront of a judge? So you cant murder, but you can rape?:thinkbut one of the worsed crimes amongst inmates is to be a convicted rapist Any views anyone? |
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Watching far too many movies and tv shows for your own good. That crap might happen in LAWLESS USA but it does not happen in Europe..fantasy island that deserves no response to what should happen.
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All this talk about a Tv story....
God help us when you watch your first Star Trek episode that has Captain Kirk banging a good looking green alien chick.... IT'S TV. not reality. Jesus...like we don't got our hands full with the Internet. Let's get worked up over a faked Tv show. You will really flip out when you see the next episode of "when nuns go bad ".... I actually lost IQ points reading this one. |
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Tawtstrat I'll just clarify, born UK, raised in Ca that Florida thing is weid ?you have the right to bearer arms to protect but even in the Wild West days you still couldn't Just gun one down unjustified, there was such thing as fair gun fight. Witnesses stating otherwise,and they'd shorelly hang. As far as been in a yard, thats not enough in my opinion I no there's a lot of retirees in that state I'm sure they have no problem protecting what there just spent their sifetime acquiring. Mabyee a sign in English, displayed is law for that state, dont no. I like that right and a wish Canada had that, the police here aren't going to protect you any better and police will seldom intervene until after the assault or murder I came to Alberta this past winter as a often do for winter work. I got into an altercation with one guy and It ended up 3 on 1 situation with the end results ,me with a broken leg torn ligaments. The Hospital phoned the cops on me because the staff tried to remove my shoe without undoing it first! right in front of the doctor that said nothing, resulted in me freaking out on both of then. Three cops came, one was areally good with people and talked to me and took over and took my shoe off the right way The other cops were just dickheads, didn't care that I was assaulted, the one cops comment about me been assaulted was, "Welcome to Alberta..lol. So 110 days latter still of work and have lost a pile of money. I guess there's criminal comp but cops didn't take a statment. I geuss my piont is guns can also be a deterrent. In Hollywood maybe,but definitely not Hollywood FLA. 
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Watching far too many movies and tv shows for your own good. That crap might happen in LAWLESS USA but it does not happen in Europe..fantasy island that deserves no response to what should happen.  Look no farther than the UK,since the Gunban! 
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Edited by
krupa
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Watching far too many movies and tv shows for your own good. That crap might happen in LAWLESS USA but it does not happen in Europe..fantasy island that deserves no response to what should happen. Look no farther than the UK,since the Gunban! How does that explain all the riots with hordes throwing crap at the police in riot gear? At least in America ...we shoot them....there...you go Palestinian on them. Rocks and bottles. Save your holier than thou crap for someone else. That was for Sylvantino You got no room to talk |
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