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Topic: The death penalty and its flaws
Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Tue 04/30/13 12:39 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 04/30/13 12:44 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/30/13 12:52 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... jeno waited 8 weeks these people were ill and oconvinced of the end of the world, of 'flames awaiting', they hid behind children and then sacrificed those children in those 'flames', that were most likely and according to testimony of survivors PLANNED BY THEM,,,,

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 04/30/13 12:53 PM
very sad, I cant wrap my head around intentionally targeting and killing people this way,,,,, especially children It was without question one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in US history. Yet, decades later, 33 states in the United States still practice this barbaric form of so-called justice. And the way it has been applied to communities of color has been especially unjust and discrimitnatory. Since 1973, almost 30 years after Stinneys execution, 141 PEOPLE IN 26 States have been exonerated from death row after new evidence cleared them of wrong doing according to the Death Penalty Information center.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 04/30/13 12:59 PM
very sad, I cant wrap my head around intentionally targeting and killing people this way,,,,, especially children It was without question one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in US history. Yet, decades later, 33 states in the United States still practice this barbaric form of so-called justice. And the way it has been applied to communities of color has been especially unjust and discrimitnatory. Since 1973, almost 30 years after Stinneys execution, 141 PEOPLE IN 26 States have been exonerated from death row after new evidence cleared them of wrong doing according to the Death Penalty Information center. there is also special groups that get them released the legal way, since the advancements of DNA tech. that is a result of your "innocents" being executed... and you seem sad they are gone, but yet i hear nothing of the people that put them there. I will always agree with the death penalty, but no system is perfect... it also seems just as sad that the innocents that are in prison for life, is that not the same as a death sentence? living in a 6x6 room for the rest of my life is worse than death...

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Tue 04/30/13 01:02 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... Did you bother to read the Danforth Report? Seriously, you are supporting a claim that has been proven to be without merit.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 04/30/13 01:12 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... Did you bother to read the Danforth Report? Seriously, you are supporting a claim that has been proven to be without merit. CS-Gas is highly flammable in the concentrations it was used at Mount Carmel! Besides there were plenty opportunities for the Feds to grab Koresh without even having to go into the Compound! But the same Gung-Ho was displayed at Ruby Ridge,and when the Feds snatched Elian Gonzales in Miami!

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 04/30/13 01:16 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... Did you bother to read the Danforth Report? Seriously, you are supporting a claim that has been proven to be without merit. wasn't proven to me... do you believe every report from the government?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 04/30/13 01:17 PM Edited by mightymoe on Tue 04/30/13 01:18 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex. In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... Did you bother to read the Danforth Report? Seriously, you are supporting a claim that has been proven to be without merit. CS-Gas is highly flammable in the concentrations it was used at Mount Carmel! Besides there were plenty opportunities for the Feds to grab Koresh without even having to go into the Compound! But the same Gung-Ho was displayed at Ruby Ridge,and when the Feds snatched Elian Gonzales in Miami! they don't seem to understand that... not to mention they never broke any laws to begin with... owning guns is not against the law...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/30/13 01:23 PM
I believe they killed themselves after having 51 DAYS for those wishing to leave to do so,,,,, I believe suspicion of molesting children and having illegal firearms is enough reason to have a visit from law enforcement ,,,,

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Tue 04/30/13 01:24 PM
State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised. Well, the belief that certain people should automatically be heads of state because they were born into certain families is uncivilized and should be abolished. Such a thing is unjust because it contradicts the fact that all people are born equals. In contrast, the execution of a person who commits 1st-degree murder is a just consequence of a person's choice to commit 1st-degree murder. However, great care need to be taken when deciding whether or not the death penalty should be given.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 04/30/13 01:31 PM
Fir Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... First and foremost, there is no greater propaganda machine like the American goverments. Second, the goverment slaughtered those 26 children. Your referrnces to noi is mere deflection and irrelivent. THIS IS WHERE COMMON SENCE, LOGIC AND INTELLECT IS REQUIRED. The 14 year old was not put in the position to die as were the 26 children who were. South Carolina lawyers Steve Mckenzie,Shain Kent and Ray Chandler are supporting George Frierson in an attempt to reopen the case due to two still living witnesses who have provided sworn affidavits of an alibi for the boy. The alleged culprit has indeed confessed while on his death bed. What human being justifies thevexecution of a boy? Simply a shallow of a person.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 04/30/13 01:40 PM
very sad, I cant wrap my head around intentionally targeting and killing people this way,,,,, especially children It was without question one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in US history. Yet, decades later, 33 states in the United States still practice this barbaric form of so-called justice. And the way it has been applied to communities of color has been especially unjust and discrimitnatory. Since 1973, almost 30 years after Stinneys execution, 141 PEOPLE IN 26 States have been exonerated from death row after new evidence cleared them of wrong doing according to the Death Penalty Information center. there is also special groups that get them released the legal way, since the advancements of DNA tech. that is a result of your "innocents" being executed... and you seem sad they are gone, but yet i hear nothing of the people that put them there. I will always agree with the death penalty, but no system is perfect... it also seems just as sad that the innocents that are in prison for life, is that not the same as a death sentence? living in a 6x6 room for the rest of my life is worse than death... what fool would want a "not perfect"system to decide their fate, if it is not perfect, then its not good, this youd understand if you were the one wrongly convicted to die for a crime you did not commit, incidently einstein, ANYONE CAN BE ACCUSED, TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED FOR A CRIME THEY DID NOT COMMIT, im sure then youd be crying to high hell for justice, by the way, the place where Stinney was executed was and still is a "KLANVERN".

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Tue 04/30/13 01:45 PM
First and foremost, there is no greater propaganda machine like the American goverments . . . Wow, the above-quoted statement certainly is subjective. From my perspective, there is no greater propaganda machine like a group of people who are paranoid about the government.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 04/30/13 01:52 PM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI... There is never a wrong time for justice, that boy deserves it weither you like it or not, afterall, if it were your 14 year old son I doubt that youd be calling it a 70 year old propaganda. Only a demented human being think a Black boy in the south in those days got an actual fair trial. People are being exonerated today by many means, however the ones with the initial means at exoneration failed.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 04/30/13 01:56 PM
First and foremost, there is no greater propaganda machine like the American goverments . . . Wow, the above-quoted statement certainly is subjective. From my perspective, there is no greater propaganda machine like a group of people who are paranoid about the government. Paranoid people dont own the means to propagate like goverment. Goverment can control all facets of information whenever they choose to. Goverments natural inclination is to mislead its people as a means at control.

KiK2me Joined Sun 01/06/13 Posts: 8732	Tue 04/30/13 01:56 PM
Injustice for the innocent is always a tragedy But i think the only thing wrong with capitol punishment Is the lack of following through with a death sentence ! Far more are guilty than the very few exceptions of innocence And with thousands sitting on death row with most of the comforts of home so to speak What kind of message are we sending out to the monsters and killers of our country ? No wonder Moms and Dads kill their kids and families No wonder people like "O.J." ,Casey Anthony,Jodi arias and So many others commit these atrocities They won't be EXECUTED for it OBVIOUSLY.... So what the Hell right ? I say kill 'em all Let God sort 'em out ! Tears in Heaven for those convicted unjustly..... "Civilized" HA ! Were they "Civilized" in committing their horrendous and heinous crimes ? An eye for an eye and such in my opinion ! Only those who present "Reasonable doubt" should be entitled to sit on death row While attempting to prove their innocence to the world.... JMHO PEACE !

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14591	Tue 04/30/13 01:58 PM
Very sad, Uncivilised Murder.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/30/13 02:02 PM
I think 'reasonable' doubt is often taking a back seat to the most emotional case presented by an attorney,,,, and since those defenses are LARGELY correlated with financial status and resources, it becomes innately classist and unjust

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14591	Tue 04/30/13 02:04 PM
I believe they killed themselves after having 51 DAYS for those wishing to leave to do so,,,,, I believe suspicion of molesting children and having illegal firearms is enough reason to have a visit from law enforcement ,,,, True..