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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, 
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Edited by
Kleisto
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, Regardless of how anyone wants to dilute Rights and mix them in with Privileges! well said. the government is supposed to serve the people not the other way around. |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,,
there are no ABSOLUTE rights,, no,,,there are always exceptions , the details always matter,,,, |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, Ha! That's a laugh, these people are the biggest hypocrites there ever were, they don't give a damn about your health, they care about what makes money, plain and simple, no matter if it makes you sick or not. If you think any of these things they force on people are health related you are very very VERY naive. And you totally missed my point as usual....this is a microcosm of what their true goals really are.....but I'm not surprised somehow..... And I'll never "get over it", as long as they are trying more and more power grabs I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back and just let em have it.....and if you cared the least bit about your freedoms you'd do something too, but it's clear you don't and won't until they're all gone. Don't say we didn't try to warn you...... warn me about what? fighting my 'right' to drink 32oz of sugar in one container instead of via a refill,,,?
yeah, I will leave that fight to others,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/15/13 06:28 AM
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wrong
A right must be exercised through your own initiative and action. It is not a claim on others I can speak, someone may or may not listen,, that is my right I can express myself, someone may or may not listen, that is my right (and theres) I can own a gun, someone may or may not sell it to me, that is my right and theirs I CANNOT participate in a transaction to purchase a soft drink without it REQUIRING the sellers consent to sale, the producers concent to produce, the taxpayer(government) consent to offer tax incentives and public works to the building/company in whcih the sale takes placeor the product is manufactured,,,,etc,,,, if someone wants to come to my home, I can serve them in whatever I wish if I Am a COMPANY REceiving certain benefits from the government, There has to be an agreement to terms between me and that government,,, a transaction between two people is,,NOT, a right, it requires the initiative between people and not merely initiative of one,, |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, Ha! That's a laugh, these people are the biggest hypocrites there ever were, they don't give a damn about your health, they care about what makes money, plain and simple, no matter if it makes you sick or not. If you think any of these things they force on people are health related you are very very VERY naive. And you totally missed my point as usual....this is a microcosm of what their true goals really are.....but I'm not surprised somehow..... And I'll never "get over it", as long as they are trying more and more power grabs I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back and just let em have it.....and if you cared the least bit about your freedoms you'd do something too, but it's clear you don't and won't until they're all gone. Don't say we didn't try to warn you...... warn me about what? fighting my 'right' to drink 32oz of sugar in one container instead of via a refill,,,?
yeah, I will leave that fight to others,,,, like I said, you just don't get it.....but whatever I'm done trying to convince you. If you have to see it the hard way I guess so be it. |
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the feeling is mutual
I will continue to watch the good informed folks fight for the 'right' to become obese, have their technology that doesnt require them to work to hard or use too much physical effort or thought, to raise up children in whatever environment they wish, to spread stds around, to shoot at anything and everything they feel 'threatened' about (which of course is a growing list with all these 'rights' being infringed upon by others apparently),etc,,, yeah,, this idea of everything being our 'right' is really leading us down an enlightened and desirable path,,,,lol |
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the feeling is mutual I will continue to watch the good informed folks fight for the 'right' to become obese, have their technology that doesnt require them to work to hard or use too much physical effort or thought, to raise up children in whatever environment they wish, to spread stds around, to shoot at anything and everything they feel 'threatened' about (which of course is a growing list with all these 'rights' being infringed upon by others apparently),etc,,, yeah,, this idea of everything being our 'right' is really leading us down an enlightened and desirable path,,,,lol When is it my right to please myself as I see fit?....You wouldn't like where that would lead us.... |
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the feeling is mutual I will continue to watch the good informed folks fight for the 'right' to become obese, have their technology that doesnt require them to work to hard or use too much physical effort or thought, to raise up children in whatever environment they wish, to spread stds around, to shoot at anything and everything they feel 'threatened' about (which of course is a growing list with all these 'rights' being infringed upon by others apparently),etc,,, yeah,, this idea of everything being our 'right' is really leading us down an enlightened and desirable path,,,,lol You are distorting and exaggerating the issue. People have the right to life, liberty (freedom to live) and the pursuit of happiness. By "freedom" I do NOT mean the right to "shoot everything they feel threatened about." as you have distorted it into. People have a right to protect themselves.. (right to life.) The constitution said that means the right to bear arms. People have the right to do business (pursuit of life, liberty and happiness) includes doing business. We never have the right to hurt others. But we don't need the government to interfere in our lives using the excuse that they are trying to protect us from ourselves. We are not children. |
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But we don't need the government to interfere in our lives using the excuse that they are trying to protect us from ourselves. We are not children. This, in addition to that, these things never work anyway, if someone wants something bad enough they will get it somehow, law or no law. And by trying to take that thing they want away it just will make them want it more. Bans of any type never solve an issue no matter how much good intended they may seem, only education does. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 03/15/13 06:35 PM
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. Thank you, Well said! |
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But we don't need the government to interfere in our lives using the excuse that they are trying to protect us from ourselves. We are not children. This, in addition to that, these things never work anyway, if someone wants something bad enough they will get it somehow, law or no law. And by trying to take that thing they want away it just will make them want it more. Bans of any type never solve an issue no matter how much good intended they may seem, only education does. great.lete see if people want a 32 oz serving bad enough,, or if the demand dims with the supply , as it usually does, and people adjust to whats available, as they usually do |
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interesting
and Eve surely allowed herself to be convinced she should have the 'right' to have all the fruits in the garden,,,,that any boundary was a bad one,, I wont be convinced that regulation or boundaries are automatically a bad omen opening some greaty pandoras box,,,,,, |
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interesting and Eve surely allowed herself to be convinced she should have the 'right' to have all the fruits in the garden,,,,that any boundary was a bad one,, I wont be convinced that regulation or boundaries are automatically a bad omen opening some greaty pandoras box,,,,,, Its a moot point since the judge threw it out. |
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,,
we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 03/15/13 08:54 PM
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,, we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, Yes we do. Nothing wrong with that. This is our world. Nobody owns it more than anyone else. |
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,, we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, Yes we do. Nothing wrong with that. This is our world. Nobody owns it more than anyone else. no, we cohabitate the world, which means it doesnt revolve around our personal wants and desires every moment,, |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,, we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, Yes we do. Nothing wrong with that. This is our world. Nobody owns it more than anyone else. no, we cohabitate the world, which means it doesnt revolve around our personal wants and desires every moment,, True, but we learn how to get what we want, and pay the price for our wrong behavior. What goes around comes around to those who think they can go through life taking what ever they want with no regard for others. People should learn to respect others and live productive lives without some legislators trying to constantly "fix" every problem they think exists in society by micro managing people's lives. Things will work themselves out naturally without someone else micro managing our lives. |
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,, we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, Yes we do. Nothing wrong with that. This is our world. Nobody owns it more than anyone else. no, we cohabitate the world, which means it doesnt revolve around our personal wants and desires every moment,, Take that statement, and apply it to yourself if you would please. Things aren't all about what you want or like either you know. Just cause YOU may not personally agree with someone's choices, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't make them. This cohabitation thing goes both ways.....you need to respect their choices as much as you would want yours respected. To only want it the other way is hypocritical. |
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of course, we hate being told no,,,,, we want full access to everything, damn the consequences,,, Yes we do. Nothing wrong with that. This is our world. Nobody owns it more than anyone else. no, we cohabitate the world, which means it doesnt revolve around our personal wants and desires every moment,, Take that statement, and apply it to yourself if you would please. Things aren't all about what you want or like either you know. Just cause YOU may not personally agree with someone's choices, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't make them. This cohabitation thing goes both ways.....you need to respect their choices as much as you would want yours respected. To only want it the other way is hypocritical. I am, I respect the laws, which are based upon the people and what their represntatives decide no decision has the approval of EVERY person,,,thats how it works I am in the group who would support this proposal, but the representative decided different so be it I respect his decision even if I dont agree with it,, thats how it works but I doubt , if it had turned the other way, many on the other side of the argument would feel the same 32 ozs vs 2 16oz?, seriously? with people starving and being shot down in schools etc,,, THIS would be worth getting upset about? I dont understand it,,but we all choose our own battles I suppose |
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