Topic: NYC Soda Ban Changes Seen At Restaurants, Coffee Shops
msharmony's photo
Mon 03/11/13 07:17 PM


yeah, people can still go buy plenty of soda at the store and drink it at home,, I think we will get through it,,,lol

What next? They will come to your home and ban things? (shhh, I have several large pitchers).huh



they already do,,, someone decides what to sale and what not to sale,, someone has to,,,

and yet, Im still lfet with PLENTY of choices to keep me from feeling the worse for their decisions

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/11/13 07:19 PM



Next step. Pass a law that no one under 21 can buy or legally consume sody-pop.

I could see the health benefits in not allowing sodas, along with many other (Junk Food Items) be purchased with food stamps.



Actually a lot of the schools pulled their soda machines which now I'm not totally against... Kids do need to drink more water...

As far as the Junk food Items being purchased with food stamps that is a whole new thread for sure....Even I don't think that should be allowed..noway



yeah, anything that you EAT is considered food, if money can buy it, so can food 'stamps', which are actually money on a card,,,
It is. Chips, soft drinks, sweets, no problem.

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/11/13 07:21 PM

People will just get refills. Another out-of-control controlling politician at work.


i dont see the problem, the product is still available, just in a smaller portion,,,

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Mon 03/11/13 11:51 PM

You may also notice a more watered-down version of soft drinks.

I am fine with that.

I've always felt they were too sweet.

oldhippie1952's photo
Tue 03/12/13 02:53 AM
They were around as they are when I was a kid.

The only reason, maybe, that we have obesity is because instead of playing and running outside, they sit on their duffs nowadays and play computer games.

no photo
Tue 03/12/13 07:41 AM
The bottlers should be made/encouraged to

water-down all sweet drinks.

This would make them more refreshing

since quenching of thirst is usually the intended purpose.

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Tue 03/12/13 08:12 AM
The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell

metalwing's photo
Tue 03/12/13 08:23 AM

The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


It's called power mixed with stupidity. (to answer your question)

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Tue 03/12/13 08:39 AM


The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


It's called power mixed with stupidity. (to answer your question)

Ah, yes.

no photo
Tue 03/12/13 09:06 AM

The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


The high concentration of sugars ingested

trigger cravings for more sugar.

Afterward the consumer is still thirsty.

The body longs for the water.


The tongue craves sugar tartness and salt.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 03/12/13 09:20 AM


The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


It's called power mixed with stupidity. (to answer your question)
Exactly!
Nothing to do at all with the Welfare of the Public!

no photo
Tue 03/12/13 09:40 AM


The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


The high concentration of sugars ingested

trigger cravings for more sugar.

Afterward the consumer is still thirsty.

The body longs for the water.


The tongue craves sugar tartness and salt.

I know, I'm craving some now. drool

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/12/13 10:52 PM

The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


motivation,,people are often persuaded by convenience

if its less convenient to drink 64 ounces, due to the price, people may atually settle for the size thats available and find they are satisfied

I think many people ordering those large drinks dont really finish them in the first place,,,

Kleisto's photo
Wed 03/13/13 01:24 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 03/13/13 01:24 AM


The ones who want more will drink more, the ones who want less will drink less. Why is government involved?ohwell


motivation,,people are often persuaded by convenience

if its less convenient to drink 64 ounces, due to the price, people may atually settle for the size thats available and find they are satisfied

I think many people ordering those large drinks dont really finish them in the first place,,,


If you think for one damn second this was at all about health, you are sorely sorely mistaken. For one thing, they applied this restriction to ONLY sugary drinks, but diet ones were just fine even though those are far WORSE than any of the sugar filled ones they were legislating. That in itself shoots the theory of it being about health down right there.

If these people truly cared about health at all, the crap they allow in our drinks, to say nothing less of our packaged foods would never be there, yet that never seems to change does it? $$$ and power rules the day, always has, and this was more a power grab to see just how much more control they could take over people's behaviors than it was about any concern over health.

THAT was what the problem was with it, cause once they get an in it never stops there, NEVER. They go after something else, and something else, and something else after that. Soon, EVERYTHING is controlled by them, and then we wonder how it got there......well we'd have let them get there. We can't do that, we have to stop it before it can, and the way to do that is never let them get an in in the first place.

I'm glad it got shot down, they have way too much power as it is, nevermind having any more of it.

That being said.....let's assume for a second it actually was a health issue. Even if it was, it STILL wouldn't work because you're not EDUCATING. If someone wants a drink they will find a way to get it, law or no law, same goes for a business wanting to sell it, there will be workarounds, always have been. No legislation in the world can stop demand, didn't work for alcohol, doesn't work for drugs, doesn't work for prostitution......you name it and it doesn't. So why would this be any different? It simply wouldn't be.

We as a society are obsessed with telling people no all the time, without telling people why we shouldn't, from sex, to alcohol, to foods we eat, it is an epidemic. But it never works, why? Because we are going about it entirely the wrong way. As humans we want what we cannot have. If we are told we can't do something it's gonna make us want the thing that much more, it's gonna push us to rebel. That does no one any good from those wishing for self restraint to those acting out, but it is what you get when you constantly say "don't do this" instead of saying: "don't do this and here's why".

If you want to create a better person, teach them how to act responsibly, don't just tell them they can't do something cause you say they can't, it won't deter those who really want it anyway. In the case of this it damn sure wouldn't have. It's about education, not legislation.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/13/13 01:36 AM
Bloomberg: This Isn't About a Ban, It's About Control

Over the weekend on Face the Nation, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg finally admitted his big gulp ban isn't really a ban, but about portion "control."


His statement comes just days after Bloomberg dove into a campaign to stop loud music coming from headphones in New York City not because it's annoying, but because it's bad for your ears.

Hizzoner’s health officials are planning a social-media campaign to warn young people about the risk of losing their hearing from listening to music at high volume on personal MP3 players, The Post has learned.

“With public and private support, a public-education campaign is being developed to raise awareness about safe use of personal music players . . . and risks of loud and long listening,” said Nancy Clark, the city Health Department’s assistant commissioner of environmental-disease prevention.

The campaign, which will cost $250,000, is being financed through a grant received from the Fund for Public Health, the Health Department’s fund-raising arm.

The Hearing Loss Prevention Media Campaign will target teens and young adults, conducting focus-group interviews and using social-media sites like Facebook and Twitter.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/03/11/bloomberg-this-isnt-about-a-ban-its-about-control-n1530783


Duumbberg is getting Dumber!
Who the Hell died and made him King?

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/13/13 06:37 AM
and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,,

Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'.......

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/13/13 06:37 AM
and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,,

Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'.......

Kleisto's photo
Wed 03/13/13 05:23 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 03/13/13 05:23 PM

and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,,

Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'.......


No you wanna know WHY we are so damn obese? It's NOT about sugar ok? And even if it WAS only that forcing the consumer to change is not the answer and it won't work like education was, and I don't exactly trust the state to know what's good for me in the first place, again DIET drinks are even worse than these sugar drinks are, and yet they weren't under the ban. Sorry that doesn't work for me, one poison is as bad as another. I don't believe it's their business to dictate personal behavior as it is anyway, I value my freedom.....but course you know that.

But no this is NOT why we're obese. It's NOT about sugar, it's NOT about salt, it's NOT about fat.Forget anything you've been told about those things they all have a purpose. The REAL problem is everything ELSE in the foods!

We live in a time when food is more processed than it ever was.....go to any aisle in a supermarket and pick up just about any box or can. You'll find a list of ingredients a MILE wide, half of which you can't pronounce let alone know what they are! THAT is what is causing the problems.....we never had this crap 40-50 years ago, but the moment it popped up suddenly obesity skyrocketed, illnesses skyrocketed, and our overall health declined majorly. But I'm sure that's a coincidence right? Give me a break.

How else could you explain that in a culture that is MORE obsessed about diet, fat, and calories, than perhaps any previous one, that we are sicker than any of those that went before us? It makes no sense otherwise!

The fact is, the REAL foods are not the problem, it's what we're REPLACING THEM with that is. If anyone truly gave a damn about health, THAT is what they'd go after, NOT the consumers choice to buy the crap they market. Anything else is just rhetoric and BS.

But course they don't do that do they.......all the junk makes them too much money, to say nothing of how much they can make off drugs once people are sick from the stuff. They're all in it together.....it's a big money deal.

So you wanna attack something? You wanna see obesity fall? Go after the source, not the people. Otherwise you're just parroting what you hear from the elite in the end.






no photo
Wed 03/13/13 07:01 PM
I hope people wake up and realize that legislation and control is not only getting out of hand but utterly ridiculous.

STOP TELLING US HOW TO LIVE OUR LIVES YOU FREAKING IDIOTS.

That's my message to stupid legislators and politicians.

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/13/13 07:13 PM


and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,,

Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'.......


No you wanna know WHY we are so damn obese? It's NOT about sugar ok? And even if it WAS only that forcing the consumer to change is not the answer and it won't work like education was, and I don't exactly trust the state to know what's good for me in the first place, again DIET drinks are even worse than these sugar drinks are, and yet they weren't under the ban. Sorry that doesn't work for me, one poison is as bad as another. I don't believe it's their business to dictate personal behavior as it is anyway, I value my freedom.....but course you know that.

But no this is NOT why we're obese. It's NOT about sugar, it's NOT about salt, it's NOT about fat.Forget anything you've been told about those things they all have a purpose. The REAL problem is everything ELSE in the foods!

We live in a time when food is more processed than it ever was.....go to any aisle in a supermarket and pick up just about any box or can. You'll find a list of ingredients a MILE wide, half of which you can't pronounce let alone know what they are! THAT is what is causing the problems.....we never had this crap 40-50 years ago, but the moment it popped up suddenly obesity skyrocketed, illnesses skyrocketed, and our overall health declined majorly. But I'm sure that's a coincidence right? Give me a break.

How else could you explain that in a culture that is MORE obsessed about diet, fat, and calories, than perhaps any previous one, that we are sicker than any of those that went before us? It makes no sense otherwise!

The fact is, the REAL foods are not the problem, it's what we're REPLACING THEM with that is. If anyone truly gave a damn about health, THAT is what they'd go after, NOT the consumers choice to buy the crap they market. Anything else is just rhetoric and BS.

But course they don't do that do they.......all the junk makes them too much money, to say nothing of how much they can make off drugs once people are sick from the stuff. They're all in it together.....it's a big money deal.

So you wanna attack something? You wanna see obesity fall? Go after the source, not the people. Otherwise you're just parroting what you hear from the elite in the end.