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and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,, Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'....... No you wanna know WHY we are so damn obese? It's NOT about sugar ok? And even if it WAS only that forcing the consumer to change is not the answer and it won't work like education was, and I don't exactly trust the state to know what's good for me in the first place, again DIET drinks are even worse than these sugar drinks are, and yet they weren't under the ban. Sorry that doesn't work for me, one poison is as bad as another. I don't believe it's their business to dictate personal behavior as it is anyway, I value my freedom.....but course you know that. But no this is NOT why we're obese. It's NOT about sugar, it's NOT about salt, it's NOT about fat.Forget anything you've been told about those things they all have a purpose. The REAL problem is everything ELSE in the foods! We live in a time when food is more processed than it ever was.....go to any aisle in a supermarket and pick up just about any box or can. You'll find a list of ingredients a MILE wide, half of which you can't pronounce let alone know what they are! THAT is what is causing the problems.....we never had this crap 40-50 years ago, but the moment it popped up suddenly obesity skyrocketed, illnesses skyrocketed, and our overall health declined majorly. But I'm sure that's a coincidence right? Give me a break. How else could you explain that in a culture that is MORE obsessed about diet, fat, and calories, than perhaps any previous one, that we are sicker than any of those that went before us? It makes no sense otherwise! The fact is, the REAL foods are not the problem, it's what we're REPLACING THEM with that is. If anyone truly gave a damn about health, THAT is what they'd go after, NOT the consumers choice to buy the crap they market. Anything else is just rhetoric and BS. But course they don't do that do they.......all the junk makes them too much money, to say nothing of how much they can make off drugs once people are sick from the stuff. They're all in it together.....it's a big money deal. So you wanna attack something? You wanna see obesity fall? Go after the source, not the people. Otherwise you're just parroting what you hear from the elite in the end. |
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and meanwhile, we become more and more obese as a nation, more than when our restaurant portions were much smaller and we had much less access to fattening foods on the road,,, Im sure thats just a coincidence yet,, lets make sure it continues so we dont end up 'controlled'....... No you wanna know WHY we are so damn obese? It's NOT about sugar ok? And even if it WAS only that forcing the consumer to change is not the answer and it won't work like education was, and I don't exactly trust the state to know what's good for me in the first place, again DIET drinks are even worse than these sugar drinks are, and yet they weren't under the ban. Sorry that doesn't work for me, one poison is as bad as another. I don't believe it's their business to dictate personal behavior as it is anyway, I value my freedom.....but course you know that. But no this is NOT why we're obese. It's NOT about sugar, it's NOT about salt, it's NOT about fat.Forget anything you've been told about those things they all have a purpose. The REAL problem is everything ELSE in the foods! We live in a time when food is more processed than it ever was.....go to any aisle in a supermarket and pick up just about any box or can. You'll find a list of ingredients a MILE wide, half of which you can't pronounce let alone know what they are! THAT is what is causing the problems.....we never had this crap 40-50 years ago, but the moment it popped up suddenly obesity skyrocketed, illnesses skyrocketed, and our overall health declined majorly. But I'm sure that's a coincidence right? Give me a break. How else could you explain that in a culture that is MORE obsessed about diet, fat, and calories, than perhaps any previous one, that we are sicker than any of those that went before us? It makes no sense otherwise! The fact is, the REAL foods are not the problem, it's what we're REPLACING THEM with that is. If anyone truly gave a damn about health, THAT is what they'd go after, NOT the consumers choice to buy the crap they market. Anything else is just rhetoric and BS. But course they don't do that do they.......all the junk makes them too much money, to say nothing of how much they can make off drugs once people are sick from the stuff. They're all in it together.....it's a big money deal. So you wanna attack something? You wanna see obesity fall? Go after the source, not the people. Otherwise you're just parroting what you hear from the elite in the end. I fail to see how changing the size of a drink is 'going after' the people,,,, but I guess some things just seem trite to me,,,, mfrs constantly make decisions about what to sell based on profit regardless of their effects I am not reaaly concerned about someone making a decision (medically backed by the way) to reduce serving sizes (not to be confused with taking away or banning the products) as a measure to try to contrbute to healther choices we can only do one thing at a time, and this is one of those things I happen to not be upset about at all |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want.
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, First, let me say that the Judge threw this out of court. Second, once some idiot government starts passing laws about how much we can eat or drink or how much a store is allowed to sell us and in what size of a container, then we will know that government has gotten to the point of absurdity. and msharmony for you to say: "this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, " makes me want to barf up my lunch just to know there are people out there in la la land who will agree with such absurdity and support the stripping of our freedoms to this degree. Barf! |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, First, let me say that the Judge threw this out of court. Second, once some idiot government starts passing laws about how much we can eat or drink or how much a store is allowed to sell us and in what size of a container, then we will know that government has gotten to the point of absurdity. there is no law about how much we can eat or drink, just as there is no law about how much of an ingredient we can consume,, but there are health and drug STANDARDS that are used to regulate the quantities in which they are sold,,,,, the size of the container is irrelevant if someone wants more they can PURCHASE more,, no law against that,,,,there is no law about how much stores can sell either, nor would one be successful but portion sizes,, yeah,, thats totally within the scope of reasonableness,,,, |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, First, let me say that the Judge threw this out of court. Second, once some idiot government starts passing laws about how much we can eat or drink or how much a store is allowed to sell us and in what size of a container, then we will know that government has gotten to the point of absurdity. and msharmony for you to say: "this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, " makes me want to barf up my lunch just to know there are people out there in la la land who will agree with such absurdity and support the stripping of our freedoms to this degree. Barf! that is sad, that you see this as having anything to do with 'freedom',,, its a serving size,, get as many servings as you wish,,,,no loss of freedom AT ALL,,,, |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, First, let me say that the Judge threw this out of court. Second, once some idiot government starts passing laws about how much we can eat or drink or how much a store is allowed to sell us and in what size of a container, then we will know that government has gotten to the point of absurdity. there is no law about how much we can eat or drink, just as there is no law about how much of an ingredient we can consume,, but there are health and drug STANDARDS that are used to regulate the quantities in which they are sold,,,,, the size of the container is irrelevant if someone wants more they can PURCHASE more,, no law against that,,,,there is no law about how much stores can sell either, nor would one be successful but portion sizes,, yeah,, thats totally within the scope of reasonableness,,,, Barf barf barf.... the whole idea is absurd, ridiculous and a waste of time and tax payers money. The mayor of New York is an insane idiot. |
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It's obvious to me you not only fail to see the issue of letting them do this number one, but worse you fail to see the hypocrisy of it. I could explain it till I was blue in the face and you still wouldn't get it. As such I think I'm done here.....no point, think what you want. we 'let them' do alot of things,, this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, I dont 'get' why having to drink two 16 oz servings is so much worse than having one 32 oz serving,,, I do get that if you have 16 oz and it quenches the thirst, you are less likely to order a second and if you have paid for a 32 oz, even if you are quenched at 16 you have the convenience and likelihood of finishing what you paid for,,,, which is unhealthy REGARDLESS of how many other things may be unhealthy ,math was a strong point for me most my life,, and I dont see any loss here whatsoever,,, First, let me say that the Judge threw this out of court. Second, once some idiot government starts passing laws about how much we can eat or drink or how much a store is allowed to sell us and in what size of a container, then we will know that government has gotten to the point of absurdity. and msharmony for you to say: "this is one that I believe will be for the better,,, " makes me want to barf up my lunch just to know there are people out there in la la land who will agree with such absurdity and support the stripping of our freedoms to this degree. Barf! that is sad, that you see this as having anything to do with 'freedom',,, its a serving size,, get as many servings as you wish,,,,no loss of freedom AT ALL,,,, It has everything to do with freedom. It is REGULATION REGULATION REGULATION. IT IS BULL CHIT AT ITS WORSE. For you not to recognize this as a chipping away of our freedom to live, do business etc. is typical of the frog that will sit in a pot of water as it is warmed up real slow and not noticed he is being boiled to death. chip chip chip. I'm sick to death of all these stupid regulations and all the attention our so-called leaders are giving to them. They are stupid stupid stupid. |
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not really
we are still free to overeat and be obese, we just have to spend a little more to do it no freedom lost.... |
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Not to mention, since you can buy another cup if you want, it is not "healthier."
THEREFORE THE WHOLE THING IS POINTLESS. |
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not really we are still free to overeat and be obese, we just have to spend a little more to do it no freedom lost.... THE FREEDOM LOST is the freedom of the store owner to sell something in any size of a container he pleases. People LIKE the 32 oz. glasses. They should not be told they can't have them. Who the hell does that stupid Mayor think he is? I'm so glad the judge threw that one out. Geeeze I can't believe this story. It's so totally absurd. |
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Not to mention, since you can buy another cup if you want, it is not "healthier." THEREFORE THE WHOLE THING IS POINTLESS. not true,, once again.. if someone has a choice between more for less, even if they dont really need more,, they will often BUY more same is true when they have more of a serving for less,, they are more likely to be satisfied with a serving if its a universal serving size that others are also satisfied with SOME people will want more and therefore buy more,, but MOST people wont be finishing more than what was healthy just because it was the portion OFFERED in their serving,,, many people will eat that same meal we ate from mcdonalds when we grew up, if it became the STANDARD serving,, and less people would be eating such unhealthy PORTION sizes if they werent so readily and easily available,,,, of course, with anything else, it wont stop EVERY INSTANCE of overeating, but it is better than doing NOTHING to diminish the number of instances there are,,,, |
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not really we are still free to overeat and be obese, we just have to spend a little more to do it no freedom lost.... THE FREEDOM LOST is the freedom of the store owner to sell something in any size of a container he pleases. People LIKE the 32 oz. glasses. They should not be told they can't have them. Who the hell does that stupid Mayor think he is? I'm so glad the judge threw that one out. Geeeze I can't believe this story. It's so totally absurd. |
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not really we are still free to overeat and be obese, we just have to spend a little more to do it no freedom lost.... THE FREEDOM LOST is the freedom of the store owner to sell something in any size of a container he pleases. People LIKE the 32 oz. glasses. They should not be told they can't have them. Who the hell does that stupid Mayor think he is? I'm so glad the judge threw that one out. Geeeze I can't believe this story. It's so totally absurd. |
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not really we are still free to overeat and be obese, we just have to spend a little more to do it no freedom lost.... THE FREEDOM LOST is the freedom of the store owner to sell something in any size of a container he pleases. People LIKE the 32 oz. glasses. They should not be told they can't have them. Who the hell does that stupid Mayor think he is? I'm so glad the judge threw that one out. Geeeze I can't believe this story. It's so totally absurd. lol, people like the 32 oz glasses because they have become ACCUSTOMED to them,, people liked the 16 oz glasses when thats what was available to they arent being told they cant have them, they dont usually get to take the glasses home from a restaurant, and they can order two disposable plastic/paper containters just as easily as they could order one,,,,if its that MAJOR to them to have that container,,,lol |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn.
What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, Ha! That's a laugh, these people are the biggest hypocrites there ever were, they don't give a damn about your health, they care about what makes money, plain and simple, no matter if it makes you sick or not. If you think any of these things they force on people are health related you are very very VERY naive. And you totally missed my point as usual....this is a microcosm of what their true goals really are.....but I'm not surprised somehow..... And I'll never "get over it", as long as they are trying more and more power grabs I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back and just let em have it.....and if you cared the least bit about your freedoms you'd do something too, but it's clear you don't and won't until they're all gone. Don't say we didn't try to warn you...... |
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I am gonna say this just once and once only Msharmony, so listen and learn. What you are failing miserably to understand is, this is NOT just about soda pop and the right of the businesses to sell certain sizes and the right of the consumer to buy them....no this goes FAR deeper. What this and just about any other law that is passed to control ones behavior according to the wishes of the state, truly is about is power. It is their way of testing the waters to see just how much of our rights and freedoms they can get away with taking without us stopping them from doing it. On the surface does THIS affect overall freedoms and rights? Not entirely no, but what it DOES do is it gives them consent and license to take others, and others after that. It may not effect you, it may not effect a loved one right now, but one day they will come after something YOU enjoy, and what will you do then? Who will speak for you if there is no one left to do it? So no, one law, one ban doesn't take away our freedoms, it is the collective chipping away like Jeannie said that does, and THAT is why we must always be fighting even the smallest infringements such as this, lest they grow to even bigger ones, because if they can take one thing away they WILL try and take others, and others after that until they have total power. It never ends at one thing. The biggest mistake we as Americans make...and what they count on to keep their power unchecked and unchallenged, is to think they can't or won't do something. That's how they do what they do, and how we've gotten to where we are now on the verge of a police state, and if we don't stand up and stand up soon it will become a total one. We must not underestimate these people, for in so doing we seal our own fates. If we value our rights and freedoms, we must protect them at all costs, even ones we disagree with, otherwise we risk losing them all. Then we'll wonder what happened......and the answer will simply be, we let it happen, we did it to ourselves via our apathy. We have the ability to stop this now, but we must wake up before it's too late, and that time is coming soon. Pick a side, you're either for us or for them. That's all I'm gonna say. I will say this once transactions are not 'rights' they are decided upon by any number of factors,, now health concerns is one of them,,,,, probably best to get over it,,,,,have as many ounces of soda as you wish,, there is still no law against it,,, Regardless of how anyone wants to dilute Rights and mix them in with Privileges! |
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