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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? It means living your life they way you choose to. I am working towards it but it is not easy. with that definition there are many ways that I am also living it, as I choose as I am single and make my own decisions now. Marriage doesn't look the greatest deal out there any more, yet happily married is part of that traditional American Dream. Maybe the American Dream is evolving |
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything. 
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge" 
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is. 
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything.
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge"
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is.
Good for you! I think of debt as ransoming one dream for another, and I don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m glad the struggle is behind you. 
I wouldn't say your dream costing you everything is antithetical, unless of course everything IS the dream? 
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Something worth having is normally earned. I am trying to avoid debt while achieving my American Dream. I do not have a credit card in my name and save a little money out of my paycheck each month.
It does seem to be a popular theme among people that say you have to do things that put you in debt to achieve the American Dream. Sure going to college means you get paid more but the debt you owe afterwards counter balance that, especially if you get a low wage job. Where as some people with a little vocational schooling are out there living their dreams with little to no debt. If I was smart I should have taken those vocational classes instead wasting my time getting a BA degree in Graphic Design from a local college, but I bought into the story that you have a college degree to have a better life. |
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Will you take me with you Ragnar Danneskjold? 
Seriously though...BIG fan!
 
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Something worth having is normally earned. I am trying to avoid debt while achieving my American Dream. I do not have a credit card in my name and save a little money out of my paycheck each month. It does seem to be a popular theme among people that say you have to do things that put you in debt to achieve the American Dream. Sure going to college means you get paid more but the debt you owe afterwards counter balance that, especially if you get a low wage job. Where as some people with a little vocational schooling are out there living their dreams with little to no debt. If I was smart I should have taken those vocational classes instead wasting my time getting a BA degree in Graphic Design from a local college, but I bought into the story that you have a college degree to have a better life. Exactly, I doubt it’s anyone’s American Dream to enter the job market upwards of $70,000 in debt. Ugh! It’s not lost on me that minimum wage has grown at a substantially slower rate than tuition costs, and working your way through college these days could set you back 10 years for a BA. I get it. On paper, IF YOU CAN GET INTO YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION, temporary debt is a sound decision...but that’s not been the case for a while now. Yeah these days, ransoming your dreams should be done with a crystal ball. 
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything.
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge"
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is.
Good for you! I think of debt as ransoming one dream for another, and I don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m glad the struggle is behind you.
I wouldn't say your dream costing you everything is antithetical, unless of course everything IS the dream?
I think we're making a giant philosophical sandwich out of this, but that's better than a political one! Good topic Cynderella. Not sure about "costing you everything" paradigm.....in my case I have purposely avoided high debt. I agree that 5 maxed out credit cards would make it very difficult to enjoy any piece of the dream those cards had purchased for me.... what I meant by antithetical, is that the dream includes choices and opportunity, when those are removed from the equation we are talking about force. One should not be forced to give up everything to live their slice of the dream.... |
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Will you take me with you Ragnar Danneskjold?
Seriously though...BIG fan!
Great pic! |
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything.
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge"
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is.
Good for you! I think of debt as ransoming one dream for another, and I don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m glad the struggle is behind you.
I wouldn't say your dream costing you everything is antithetical, unless of course everything IS the dream?
I think we're making a giant philosophical sandwich out of this, but that's better than a political one! Good topic Cynderella. Not sure about "costing you everything" paradigm.....in my case I have purposely avoided high debt. I agree that 5 maxed out credit cards would make it very difficult to enjoy any piece of the dream those cards had purchased for me.... what I meant by antithetical, is that the dream includes choices and opportunity, when those are removed from the equation we are talking about force. One should not be forced to give up everything to live their slice of the dream.... Of course, ideally, we shouldn't have to give up everything in pursuit of our slice, but true equity cannot exist in any society of non-robots, it will always cost some more than others. Trying to stay completely non-political about anything is difficult these days. Politics touch on just about evey aspect of our lives...more and more.
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Something worth having is normally earned. I am trying to avoid debt while achieving my American Dream. I do not have a credit card in my name and save a little money out of my paycheck each month. It does seem to be a popular theme among people that say you have to do things that put you in debt to achieve the American Dream. Sure going to college means you get paid more but the debt you owe afterwards counter balance that, especially if you get a low wage job. Where as some people with a little vocational schooling are out there living their dreams with little to no debt. If I was smart I should have taken those vocational classes instead wasting my time getting a BA degree in Graphic Design from a local college, but I bought into the story that you have a college degree to have a better life. Exactly, I doubt it’s anyone’s American Dream to enter the job market upwards of $70,000 in debt. Ugh! It’s not lost on me that minimum wage has grown at a substantially slower rate than tuition costs, and working your way through college these days could set you back 10 years for a BA. I get it. On paper, IF YOU CAN GET INTO YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION, temporary debt is a sound decision...but that’s not been the case for a while now. Yeah these days, ransoming your dreams should be done with a crystal ball.
It is possible to go to college and have reasonable debt, but to do so most cannot attend expensive private schools... |
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything.
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge"
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is.
Good for you! I think of debt as ransoming one dream for another, and I don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m glad the struggle is behind you.
I wouldn't say your dream costing you everything is antithetical, unless of course everything IS the dream?
I think we're making a giant philosophical sandwich out of this, but that's better than a political one! Good topic Cynderella. Not sure about "costing you everything" paradigm.....in my case I have purposely avoided high debt. I agree that 5 maxed out credit cards would make it very difficult to enjoy any piece of the dream those cards had purchased for me.... what I meant by antithetical, is that the dream includes choices and opportunity, when those are removed from the equation we are talking about force. One should not be forced to give up everything to live their slice of the dream.... Of course, ideally, we shouldn't have to give up everything in pursuit of our slice, but true equity cannot exist in any society of non-robots, it will always cost some more than others. Trying to stay completely non-political about anything is difficult these days. Politics touch on just about evey aspect of our lives...more and more.
the point is, to me, TBH, is I am ofended at the inference that I should have been forced to give up everything for a dream I did not even ask for, create, or want. Not only is it defintiely antithetical, it is illegal at best, abusive at the worst. I realize you do not completely understand and that's OK :) |
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I’d like to keep this as personal and non-political as possible. This is a two part question. What does the American Dream mean to YOU? Are you living it? I really need to be hitting the showers about now, but this is such an interesting topic that I wanted to reply ..... The American Dream to me means equality, nondiscrimination, being rewarded and taxed fairly. Those are my values based on what I know of American History. No I do not think I am living the American Dream because of the way I have been treated by the local gov't in the town where I live. It's a long story and it's pretty bad. But I have worked hard all my life and have very little to show for it...except my education....and that does not seem to matter in today's market place. I did manage to purchase my first new car last year tho, so I guess that is some progress. I think I have also seen the face of age discrimination in some instances. And I do not think any of us are taxed fairly...not even close. Sorry to hear your dreams are troubled. I think dreaming it is free, but sometimes living it can cost everything.
well no and yes. In some ways many things have been my own choice: like to live and eat simply avoid the usual debt that comes with living the "dream" just to clarify I did not do anything wrong. It was an unfortunate pairing of an unbelievably one sided divorce settlement, in a county where I was an environmental activist and had ruffled some political feathers...my divorce was simply their opportunity to "show me whose boss" it was pretty bad; political/environmental activism is not met in the rural midwest with the same openess that it is bicoastally. That was years ago and it is behind me now. The relevance is that it does not reflect the political freedoms and fairness that this country is about instead I got "Boss Hogg's Revenge"
having it "cost everything" to live the American Dream is completely antithetical to what that opportunity is.
Good for you! I think of debt as ransoming one dream for another, and I don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m glad the struggle is behind you.
I wouldn't say your dream costing you everything is antithetical, unless of course everything IS the dream?
I think we're making a giant philosophical sandwich out of this, but that's better than a political one! Good topic Cynderella. Not sure about "costing you everything" paradigm.....in my case I have purposely avoided high debt. I agree that 5 maxed out credit cards would make it very difficult to enjoy any piece of the dream those cards had purchased for me.... what I meant by antithetical, is that the dream includes choices and opportunity, when those are removed from the equation we are talking about force. One should not be forced to give up everything to live their slice of the dream.... Of course, ideally, we shouldn't have to give up everything in pursuit of our slice, but true equity cannot exist in any society of non-robots, it will always cost some more than others. Trying to stay completely non-political about anything is difficult these days. Politics touch on just about evey aspect of our lives...more and more.
the point is, to me, TBH, is I am ofended at the inference that I should have been forced to give up everything for a dream I did not even ask for, create, or want. Not only is it defintiely antithetical, it is illegal at best, abusive at the worst. I realize you do not completely understand and that's OK :) Yes, Sweetestgirl, I see that I am missing something here. I thought you were talking about YOUR dream. I now think you are talking about someone else’s dream squashing your own. Am I at least warmer? |
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Something worth having is normally earned. I am trying to avoid debt while achieving my American Dream. I do not have a credit card in my name and save a little money out of my paycheck each month. It does seem to be a popular theme among people that say you have to do things that put you in debt to achieve the American Dream. Sure going to college means you get paid more but the debt you owe afterwards counter balance that, especially if you get a low wage job. Where as some people with a little vocational schooling are out there living their dreams with little to no debt. If I was smart I should have taken those vocational classes instead wasting my time getting a BA degree in Graphic Design from a local college, but I bought into the story that you have a college degree to have a better life. Exactly, I doubt it’s anyone’s American Dream to enter the job market upwards of $70,000 in debt. Ugh! It’s not lost on me that minimum wage has grown at a substantially slower rate than tuition costs, and working your way through college these days could set you back 10 years for a BA. I get it. On paper, IF YOU CAN GET INTO YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION, temporary debt is a sound decision...but that’s not been the case for a while now. Yeah these days, ransoming your dreams should be done with a crystal ball.
It is possible to go to college and have reasonable debt, but to do so most cannot attend expensive private schools... |
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success is destiny.
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Freedom - Love and Bacon Double Cheeseburger and yes I am living it.
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Good question.
I was raised that the american dream is the picket fence, owning a home, having a happy healthy family. I dont really have an 'american' dream though. I think I am more humanist in most things. My human dream is that people would care for each other and treat each other with kindness, that noone should go without the bare necessities in life, and that everyone have someone who truly loves them and is in their corner. |
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Yes and no. I enjoy the freedom to do as I please and thank god for the people who did and still do put their lives on the line for all of us.However the greed is killing us. The divide between the classes,We report on Linsey lohan and the Kardashians but not one mention of the names of people dying in our wars.Homeless, unemployment, desperation, hunger are killing us. We are the best nation in the world and we need to pull togather to makes us strong like before. God bless us all and remember who we are and what were made of.
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I live in the UK, my American Dream will always be the lady who played Wonder Woman, Lynda Carter, that lady is really something, and I can dream can't I?
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Good question. I was raised that the american dream is the picket fence, owning a home, having a happy healthy family. I dont really have an 'american' dream though. I think I am more humanist in most things. My human dream is that people would care for each other and treat each other with kindness, that noone should go without the bare necessities in life, and that everyone have someone who truly loves them and is in their corner. 
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Good question. I was raised that the american dream is the picket fence, owning a home, having a happy healthy family. I dont really have an 'american' dream though. I think I am more humanist in most things. My human dream is that people would care for each other and treat each other with kindness, that noone should go without the bare necessities in life, and that everyone have someone who truly loves them and is in their corner. Bravo! |
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